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I don't believe I have attacked anyone--except for misquoting what I said. I have only tried to explain that the NPK from organic materials and commercial fertilizer are the same to the plant (major difference being rate of availability). I am still waiting for anyone to show me any scientific evidence that commercial fertilizers contain anything that is harmful to the plants or the food (aside from when it is applied in excess).

damaclese

this is not the norm here please dont think us all cantankerous

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banfan

FWIW a wise old mentor once said: "Friends come and go. Don't try to convice friends to change religion, politics, or gardening habits and you will have plenty of good friends; however, if you get them to change to organic gardening they will be your loyal friends forever."

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Richard

None of my comments have been critical of organic gardening methods. They have been directed at misstatements in "organic" marketing and/or prostelization.

My knowledge of Mitchell's skill comes from his 1,000's of posts and 100's of pictures posted here on this site. I have admired and praised his accomplishments many times and will continue to do so.

Mitchel, I have said nothing about you being unable to take criticism. What I pointed out is that you often mistake my criticism of "organic marketing" as a criticism of you. The two are very different. The latter I have never engaged in.

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supermario

Why all the personal attacks?

Mitchel, I don't see where Richard has attacked you personally. I've followed the last few threads and have seen you two go back and forth. His last statement was that he thought it was sad that you take his attacks on orgainic marketing as an insult to you. How is that saying you cannot take criticism?

Richard has actually complemented you several times. Anyone who takes a look at the pics in your gallery can see you've had success. However, I could not achieve the same results here using the practices you describe. So, while I envy your success, I simply do not understand why you are bent out of shape..? Is it because Richard is so strongly against organic marketing?..or because you are strongly for it?

Patty, I cannot speak for the beef between you and Richard...but, it seems to be a personal matter that has nothing to do with this thread. I would think you could resolve your differences with him personally. I do agree with your inquiry as to the meaning of the pic though...what's up with that Richard?

Jack Daw

The weather's been hot today (at least here, 90+°F), how about yours?

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Richard

Patty,

For several months there have been interventions by members here, moderators, and several offers of reconcilliation but still you persist with baseless personal attacks. Please explain.

See The Seven Gables.

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momoese

Here you are clearly sugesting that I'm "enthralled" with some advertising agencies campaign. Couldn't further from the truth, and it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. I find this statement not only offensive but also a personal attack.

This is soooo insulting! The proof is in the pudding. I'm an organic gardener and I know it works, period.

Now please go back to your anti organic lifestyle promoted by the multi national chemical corporations and leave me alone. I'm so over your nonsense.

Richard

No I'm not. There is a clear difference between being enthralled with an approach and being enthralled with advertising from a company.

That is a statement of faith. Nothing wrong with that, I have beliefs based on faith also.

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Patty in Wisc

Here's the same way that you explain things:

Nope, I never saw "interventions by members here"
Nope, no "offers of reconciliation"
Nope, no "baseless personal attacks" by me

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Richard

Most recently by supermario in this thread.

Most recently a few posts down in this thread.

Well here's a few examples:

Quite a while back you accussed me of driving Joe Real to anger in the AZ-41 thread. The reality was that Harvey privately (and falsely) told Joe that I was secretly having Grow More develop an identical product to compete with him. Harvey's assumption and Joe's rancor that followed had nothing to do with my pointing out that there are cheaper sources for Melaleuca oil.

More recently you accussed me of being responsible for the closure of OrganicBananac's thread. In reality, it was his cursing at Jack Daw that caused the thread closure.

In this thread you accuse me of patronizing Mitchel to make up for false statements. Yet, no false statements have been tendered.

Patty, these are just a few of the personal attacks you have made over the past months. You are ready to pick a fight about most anything I post about -- even pictures

Since you have not done so yet, please explain.

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harveyc

I didn't read all the posts, but will only address these two items.

Richard, I had several bounced e-mails in April and May and sent you one message from another account, but never replied. It seemed you didn't want to communicate.

Your statement that I told Joe publicly nd "secretely" of your plans with Grow More is false. I did ask You if you had any such plans. The only private comment I made to Joe during a visit I had at his home was that it was too bad you had flamed my thread on AZ41. I have no idea on how you came up with that. I mostly felt bad for you, mixed with some bewilderment.

I'm boarding a flight shortly, c'ya.

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momoese

So to get back to the point of this thread.
I state that I grow all organically without the added addition of chemical or synthetic ferts or pesticides. You in your classic nit picking fashion reply that I am applying chemical, 2% to be exact. You know damn well that I do not apply anything other than "natural" organic materials in the classic sense of the word, in other words the agricultural common sense version of the word. I also choose not to use slurry or sewage. You know what I'm saying as does everyone else, but you seem to be the only person who has a problem with me saying I grow organically without knowingly adding any chemical or synthetic products. You choose to pick it apart using the chemical language that does not apply to the discussion just to support your agenda which is to further confuse people about, and discredit the word organic. I could care less about the word itself, come up with a word that better describes what I'm doing, legitimize the word so that other people know what it means and I'll use it. "Gardening" does not suffice, sorry but we all do that, only using different methods of caring for the soil and the plants.

Bob

That's it , no free milorganite samples for you!

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Richard

Harvey, you told me in an email two months ago that you assumed I was developing a competitive product and had told Joe about it. Go dig for it in your outbox.

There is no dichotomy between "organic" fertilizers and "chemical" fertilizers. Instead, there is a lot of overlap.

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MediaHound

Everyone please take all the bickering in private.

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So,
Been bananas round 'dees parts, eh?

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momoese

Ok. From your writings:

So if a person drinks beer and uses beer to control slugs from eating their lettuce etc, that's no worse than drinking beer and then spraying toxic pesticides on the produce and or soil to control slugs?

Secondly, what if the person is drinking organic wines and or beers and is using them to kill slugs and snails?

Thirdly, what about people who don't drink any beer or wine but choose to use them to kill slugs and snails?

Please answer all 3 questions separately but in one post.

PS, using wine to kill slugs is news to me. From what I have heard it's the yeast in the beer the slugs are attracted to.

harveyc

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