Container banana soil. - Page 5

cincinnana · 01-09-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yug

Yah, that's the same problem with orchids in bark; we need to give it a fertilizer with extra nitrogen. I would never even consider bark with 'nanners. Have you ever tried a banana in semi-hydro?

Semi hydro ......OOPs do not know what you mean.

For me "bark in plants" is a common soil amendment locally which works across the board with many plants.
Not only does my soilless mix have to grow the plant in the summer but it also has to hold the plant over the winter.

I have noticed folks have many great ways to grow their plants..
And it differs more so geographically.
Me ...in zone 5/6..need the amendments to sustain my plants...

cincinnana · 01-09-2018, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by obdiah

how about sand blasting sand in a coarse grade its silica aka qartz

Unfortunately the size of this substrate is too small.....however it might be a expensive alternative to the sand phenom which has infiltrated the ranks.

Yug · 01-13-2018, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

Semi hydro ......OOPs do not know what you mean.
...

Semi-hydro is a method where the bananas are grown in a liquid nutrient solution similar to what the hydroponic growers would use, but with semi-hydro you add clay pellets to support the plant in the container, but which will still allow the nutrients to circulate around the roots. Since a banana has a lot of weight to support above the growing media, I think semi-hydro would work where plain hydroponic growing would not.

I think some of the growers here may have done that a while ago, but you would have to search for the thread.

PR-Giants · 01-13-2018, 11:02 AM

That's my favorite method, never knew the term was semi-hydro. Thanks guY.

I use Clean Coarse Sand instead of clay pellets.

Bark is fine but I prefer using a log because it lasts a little longer.

Those little round nuggets are milli-turds.

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Originally Posted by Yug

Semi-hydro is a method where the bananas are grown in a liquid nutrient solution similar to what the hydroponic growers would use, but with semi-hydro you add clay pellets to support the plant in the container, but which will still allow the nutrients to circulate around the roots. Since a banana has a lot of weight to support above the growing media, I think semi-hydro would work where plain hydroponic growing would not.

I think some of the growers here may have done that a while ago, but you would have to search for the thread.

Mark Dragt · 01-13-2018, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yug

Semi-hydro is a method where the bananas are grown in a liquid nutrient solution similar to what the hydroponic growers would use, but with semi-hydro you add clay pellets to support the plant in the container, but which will still allow the nutrients to circulate around the roots. Since a banana has a lot of weight to support above the growing media, I think semi-hydro would work where plain hydroponic growing would not.

I think some of the growers here may have done that a while ago, but you would have to search for the thread.

I have a system similar to that. I have a Dwarf Orinoco growing in a 28 gallon container filled with clean corse sand. It's a flood and drain system with a bell siphon on one end. Nutrients come from my 720 gallons of fish ponds with 3 different types of goldfish. Dwarf Orinoco should bloom this spring.

cincinnana · 01-13-2018, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yug

Semi-hydro is a method where the bananas are grown in a liquid nutrient solution similar to what the hydroponic growers would use, but with semi-hydro you add clay pellets to support the plant in the container, but which will still allow the nutrients to circulate around the roots. Since a banana has a lot of weight to support above the growing media, I think semi-hydro would work where plain hydroponic growing would not.

I think some of the growers here may have done that a while ago, but you would have to search for the thread.

I am using those now on a hydro dwarf cav.
They give acceptable results.

Hydroton balls.

Hydroponics for begginers

PR-Giants · 01-21-2018, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

I am using those now on a hydro dwarf cav.
They give acceptable results.

Hydroton balls.

Hydroponics for begginers

An undersized system can produce,

a bud with no fingers,

a bud with only male fingers,

a bud with female fingers that never fill,

and sometimes no bud at all.

Having a properly sized system give acceptable results.

cincinnana · 01-21-2018, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

An undersized system can produce,

a bud with no fingers,

a bud with only male fingers,

a bud with female fingers that never fill,

and sometimes no bud at all.

Having a properly sized system give acceptable results.
]

Yes I know

I do not have the resources to grow out a mature hydro banana plant.
Banana Kush has better ROI for a closet 5 gallon set up.
It is fun to watch though.

Nice bunches btw

PR-Giants · 01-21-2018, 08:22 AM

It's information to help members that do have the resources.

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

Yes I know

I do not have the resources to grow out a mature hydro banana plant.
Banana Kush has better ROI for a closet 5 gallon set up.
It is fun to watch though.

Nice bunches btw

Mark Anthony Phair · 01-26-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alicia

I have read a 'tea' made from chicken manure and wood ash is good.
With a good supply of rabbit 'leftovers' left to compost, a Great atteactant for earth worms, I use to top dress plants and re-pot various veggies and fruit trees.
Are eggshells bad for bananas?

Hello there!
Eggshells are fantastic for most all plants as they contain the obvious calcium, but also add sulfides and albimum (spelling?). Can't overdue the eggshells, but crush them as fine as possible as that makes the shell particles small enough to deteriorate faster and thus become available nutrients. Don't have to crush too small, as they will last several seasons in your soil.
Best of luck!

Gone Bananas!

Mark Anthony Phair

Mark Anthony Phair · 01-26-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombie Dave

Is cow manure/w compost any good for these?

Cow manure (as opposed to Steer Manure) is excellent along with compost, peat moss, perlite. Just make sure that the plants have good drainage and don't sit in water.
Best of Luck!

Gone Bananas!
Mark Anthony Phair

Yug · 01-26-2018, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

An undersized system can produce,
...

That's a nice bunch o' nanners!

cincinnana · 01-27-2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

It's information to help members that do have the resources.

If you can please post a photo of the whole plant growing in your system.
A shot of the bunch on a tailgate is somewhat misleading...
It is just a shot of a bunch of bananas on a tailgate.

The photo does not show container, plant, and bunch in a single frame.
Your system sounds awesome....show the forum more photos in the hydroponic thread.

And if you can post your photos in the hydroponic thread where forum members will enrich themselves .

PR-Giants · 01-28-2018, 09:58 AM

This is one of 14 Variegated Florida we planted in an 832 yesterday and 13 more will be done today, an 832 holds 3 rows of 9 plants.

These pots are made with prefabricated supports and a liner. The parts are not connected and can be moved or reconfigured into many other sizes.

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

If you can please post a photo of the whole plant growing in your system.
A shot of the bunch on a tailgate is somewhat misleading...
It is just a shot of a bunch of bananas on a tailgate.

The photo does not show container, plant, and bunch in a single frame.
Your system sounds awesome....show the forum more photos in the hydroponic thread.

And if you can post your photos in the hydroponic thread where forum members will enrich themselves .

cincinnana · 01-31-2018, 10:21 PM

Works very well...
Feel free to ask questions
Best potting mix for containers

cincinnana · 02-14-2018, 09:42 PM

For the container/backyard grower you want your roots to look like this when you repot your plant.
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/14815779278/in/album-72157659727243221/" title="Healthy roots"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3857/14815779278_93bdc95219.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Healthy roots"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mark Dragt · 02-16-2018, 12:12 PM

Some container bananas have no soil at all.

Just 28 gallons of clean corse sand.
Picture taken April 26 2017.

Mark Dragt · 02-16-2018, 02:02 PM

Not trying to steal the thread, but i thought you might like to see how it did since planting last April. This picture is from today.

Winter slowed it way down. you can see on the leaves it has the winter blues. Same Dwarf Orinoco. Same 28 gallon 1/2 barrel. Same clean corse sand but not as clean. Lots of fish waste gets filtered out in the sand. when i have time i will post more pictures in the hydro thread.

PR-Giants · 02-17-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

Cool post....do not worry you did not steal the thread...or best growing techniqe.
The three stooges that thanked your post are alittle off.

Forum members that have switched to sand are now paying the price of poor plant growth....just wait.

It's probably a waste of time replying to this knucklehead, but maybe this real world experience will be beneficial to some of our other members.

The USDA Tropical Research Station had a decade of difficulties growing their Manini/A'ea'e and if you go to their website and look under 'Curator notes' you'll see this quote

“Stable chimera; beautiful variegated plant; difficult to grow; does not produce bunch often;"

The USDA has always been impressed with the huge bunches I harvest and after they lost their stock they came to me asking for new plants.

I found it difficult to believe that a research station filled with highly educated banana scientists would have difficulties growing this banana.

Obviously whatever they were doing wasn't working. I advised them that it probably had to do with soil aeration and that they should plant this in clean coarse sand using heavy top mulch to help retain moisture. At the time they were skeptical but they did it anyway. A few months later they got back to me saying how great their plant was growing and no more problems.

This is very basic banana growing, no magic needed.

This is a photo of the actual Manini plant that was sent to the USDA.

PR-Giants · 02-18-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

Feel free to ask questions

Why did you erase your post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana

Cool post....do not worry you did not steal the thread...or best growing techniqe.
The three stooges that thanked your post are alittle off.

Forum members that have switched to sand are now paying the price of poor plant growth....just wait.

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cincinnana container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸 Find me on the map! Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,784 BananaBucks : 1,398 Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,865 Times Was Thanked 11,709 Times in 4,870 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,943 Times	Re: Container banana soil. For the container/backyard grower you want your roots to look like this when you repot your plant. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/hostafarian/14815779278/in/album-72157659727243221/" title="Healthy roots"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3857/14815779278_93bdc95219.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Healthy roots"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> __________________ Cincinnana/Hostafarians Photo Gallery 🌴

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Mark Dragt Location: Rochester,Wa Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 823 BananaBucks : 34,679 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,357 Times Was Thanked 1,718 Times in 635 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 332 Times	Re: Container banana soil. Not trying to steal the thread, but i thought you might like to see how it did since planting last April. This picture is from today. Winter slowed it way down. you can see on the leaves it has the winter blues. Same Dwarf Orinoco. Same 28 gallon 1/2 barrel. Same clean corse sand but not as clean. Lots of fish waste gets filtered out in the sand. when i have time i will post more pictures in the hydro thread. __________________ Mark's Banana Forest Paradise

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