ECUADOR: PRICES And Review Of The BANANA MARKET

Deluxe_bananas · 08-09-2013, 06:22 PM

Hello everybody!

I think this is the topik for people that are involved in the international trading of bananas.

Lets share information about the market in Ecuador!

Best regards
Diana

Deluxe_bananas · 08-09-2013, 06:35 PM

WEEK 32 (Agust 05th - Agust 11th)

The price in the banana SPOT market went a little bit down due to law demend and increase of the production in the other countries of Latin America. Multinational companies like Chiquita and Delmonte increased their volumes in Colombia and Costa Rica.

You could buy this week a carton box of bananas of 18.14 kg for the price 8.2-8.5 usd FOB Guayaquil, Ecuador.

Nicolas Naranja · 08-09-2013, 10:16 PM

Any idea what plantains went for

Deluxe_bananas · 08-09-2013, 10:58 PM

Because the production of plantains is not so big, so it's not so big volume sold in SPOT market. Mostly producers sell plantains by contract.

Deluxe_bananas · 08-15-2013, 07:03 PM

WEEK 33 (Agust 12th - Agust 18th)

The price in the banana SPOT market went more down this week due to less volume of vessels loaded in Ecuador.

You could buy this week a carton box of bananas of 18.14 kg for the price 7.8-8.0 usd FOB Guayaquil, Ecuador.

Nicolas Naranja · 08-16-2013, 08:57 AM

After they've ridden a boat to Los Angeles they are $16/box. Miami didn't report any bananas from Ecuador but prices ranged from $12 hard green to $17 already gassed.

What has always amazed me is that bananas generally cost the same amount everywhere in the United States, even though you would expect them to be much less expensive at southern ports like Miami, Houston, and LA.

Deluxe_bananas · 08-16-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

After they've ridden a boat to Los Angeles they are $16/box. Miami didn't report any bananas from Ecuador but prices ranged from $12 hard green to $17 already gassed.

What has always amazed me is that bananas generally cost the same amount everywhere in the United States, even though you would expect them to be much less expensive at southern ports like Miami, Houston, and LA.

Very interesting information. Comparing to market in Europe that is now around 10-11 usd the market in USA is in a good situation now.

Does anyone wants to export bananas to USA?

Nicolas Naranja · 08-16-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Deluxe_bananas

Very interesting information. Comparing to market in Europe that is now around 10-11 usd the market in USA is in a good situation now.

Does anyone wants to export bananas to USA?

I am reporting terminal market prices. At the terminal in Europe, prices are in the low 20s. So that would be the price after tarriffs, fees, transport. In other words the CIF to the buyer in the terminal.

Deluxe_bananas · 08-16-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

I am reporting terminal market prices. At the terminal in Europe, prices are in the low 20s. So that would be the price after tarriffs, fees, transport. In other words the CIF to the buyer in the terminal.

The cost of the fruit is very high now in Europe. The price should be 13usd CIF, but there is no demend in Europe, so importers have to decrease the price to sell the fruit

PR-Giants · 08-16-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

I am reporting terminal market prices. At the terminal in Europe, prices are in the low 20s. So that would be the price after tarriffs, fees, transport. In other words the CIF to the buyer in the terminal.

It would be nice if CIF included those charges, but it only includes Cost, Insurance, and Freight, any charges after it's been unloaded are the responsibility of the buyer. Those fees add up fast, just the cost to have the doors opened for a visual inspection is $800-$900 in PR, and an intensive inspection is crazy high.

Custom Entry Fee
FDA Fee
Chasis Charge
Chasis Sevice Charge
ISF Fee
Duty Deposit Fee
Add Class Fee
Security Charge

Nicolas Naranja · 08-16-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

It would be nice if CIF included those charges, but it only includes Cost, Insurance, and Freight, any charges after it's been unloaded are the responsibility of the buyer. Those fees add up fast, just the cost to have the doors opened for a visual inspection is $800-$900 in PR, and an intensive inspection is crazy high.

Custom Entry Fee
FDA Fee
Chasis Charge
Chasis Sevice Charge
ISF Fee
Duty Deposit Fee
Add Class Fee
Security Charge

I figured cost had all those fees included. Domestically, it's a matter of shipping a truck or railroad car somewhere.

PR-Giants · 08-16-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

I figured cost had all those fees included. Domestically, it's a matter of shipping a truck or railroad car somewhere.

Cost could and usually does include all charges to the Shipping Port, but neither the seller nor the buyer know the charges after it arrives in the Port of Entry. Many fees are daily charges and the release date is unknown until it's released. When adding $100, $50, and $35 daily fees, to list a few, they can add up quickly. Some daily fees have a short grace period, but never enough.
Some fees didn't exist when the Ship left, but did before it arrived.

Nicolas Naranja · 08-16-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Cost could and usually does include all charges to the Shipping Port, but neither the seller nor the buyer know the charges after it arrives in the Port of Entry. Many fees are daily charges and the release date is unknown until it's released. When adding $100, $50, and $35 daily fees, to list a few, they can add up quickly. Some daily fees have a short grace period, but never enough.
Some fees didn't exist when the Ship left, but did before it arrived.

Sounds like a lot of hassle, which is probably why there are a lot of customs brokers in the produce industry. You can't really have a container of produce sit at the port for very long.

PR-Giants · 08-16-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

Sounds like a lot of hassle, which is probably why there are a lot of customs brokers in the produce industry.

Having a great broker is very important, any error will cause delays and send up red flags everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

You can't really have a container of produce sit at the port for very long.

It would be nice, but the truth is the container can sit there for a very long time and then you'll get to see the fee for hazardous waste removal.

This is not a joke.

Deluxe_bananas · 08-16-2013, 08:16 PM

According to our experience in export operations we can predict all costs in the port of origin. So, I'm sure that companies that receive cargo in port of destination can calculate very precise the cost of the additional charges during the delivery process and to avoid some fees if they have a good customs broker

PR-Giants · 08-16-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deluxe_bananas

According to our experience in export operations we can predict all costs in the port of origin. So, I'm sure that companies that receive cargo in port of destination can calculate very precise the cost of the additional charges during the delivery process and to avoid some fees if they have a good customs broker

I've been doing this for over 20 years and it's never once been predictable.
We have Homeland Security, FDA, Dept of Agri and if that's not enough there's the Tax Dept. Any one or all four can do inspections and some are just random inspections, and they can do it at any time during the process. A driver can get in line in the morning and might not get to the front before they close, if that happens on a friday then there's 3 more days of fees until monday.

Being able to predict the things that are completely random takes a very special talent.

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Deluxe_bananas · 08-16-2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

I've been doing this for over 20 years and it's never once been predictable.
We have Homeland Security, FDA, Dept of Agri and if that's not enough there's the Tax Dept. Any one or all four can do inspections and some are just random inspections, and they can do it at any time during the process. A driver can get in line in the morning and might not get to the front before they close, if that happens on a friday then there's 3 more days of fees until monday.

Being able to predict the things that are completely random takes a very special talent.

.

You just have to consider these costs in your expenses when you plan the operation. We have also inspections in the port of loading and its not predictable but we are always prepared for this. We have a special person that works only in the port and helps to make the process faster. Otherwise the container will not be loaded to the vessel and we will have additional expenses for conection, changing of papers and some fines

PR-Giants · 08-16-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deluxe_bananas

You just have to consider these costs in your expenses when you plan the operation. We have also inspections in the port of loading and its not predictable but we are always prepared for this. We have a special person that works only in the port and helps to make the process faster. Otherwise the container will not be loaded to the vessel and we will have additional expenses for conection, changing of papers and some fines

Being prepare is just good business, but paying a few extra thousand dollars in advance for fees that may never be incurred is not. I had a $5000 fine with Homeland Security on a rule that was not even in place when the vessel sailed.

Your Government may be perfect, ours is not even close.

Deluxe_bananas · 08-16-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Being prepare is just good business, but paying a few extra thousand dollars in advance for fees that may never be incurred is not. I had a $5000 fine with Homeland Security on a rule that was even in place when the vessel sailed.

Your Government may be perfect, ours is not even close.

And which is the reason that Homeland Security put you a fine?
You can fight about this in the court? Or its also not the case in your country?

PR-Giants · 08-16-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deluxe_bananas

And which is the reason that Homeland Security put you a fine?
You can fight about this in the court? Or its also not the case in your country?

It was an ISF penalty, and court costs are also far from predictable.

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