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As we discussed before, there is a problem with the USDA cold hardiness zones. For some people, "9a" is about 10 nights a year of temperatures dropping from 35 F to 25 F and otherwise daytime temperatures above 40 F. However, for a lot of people "9a" is daytime temperatures in the high 30's and nighttime temperatures in the low 20's. Obviously, fruiting bananas grown in the 1st example are not likely to survive in the 2nd.
it depends on the variety. It seems you don't have a large selection to choose from.
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If the primitive man started cultivating the banana plant 10.000 years ago, the Okinawans should have a very long history of banana farming since they have been there since 17.000 years ago.
What I am trying to say is that maybe I already have a cold tolerant lady finger variety acclimatized to this type of climate without knowing. The weather in Japan during summer doesn't differ from the Philippines or Malasya, it's very hot and humid. The winter is the problem, because we get cold freezing winds from Siberia. The Raja Puri didn't do well after I grafted them because they are extremely tropical. But my lady finger as it is already acclimatized to a subtropical climate and has more similarities to the musa basjoo is doing better. It just a supposition, though.
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As far as I know, no Japanese has ever harvested any edible banana grown in the open field here in mainland Japan, except in greenhouses.
Hallo Bon dia Mauro,

Unfortunatly you are wrong. I repeatedly harvested edible sweet bananas
in the open ground without using green house here in Shizuoka City on the
Pacific coast about the center of the main land of Japan of which climate
zone is 9a/b where the lowest temperature dropped even to minus 2℃ for
a coule of days since the beginning of this month.
Here is a photo of one of the bananas I ever harvested.
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Hallo Bon dia Mauro,

Unfortunatly you are wrong. ...
Looks more like "Fortunately" he is wrong!

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Hallo Bon dia Mauro,

Unfortunatly you are wrong. I repeatedly harvested edible sweet bananas
in the open ground without using green house here in Shizuoka City on the
Pacific coast about the center of the main land of Japan of which climate
zone is 9a/b where the lowest temperature dropped even to minus 2℃ for
a coule of days since the beginning of this month.
Here is a photo of one of the bananas I ever harvested.
Asacomm, that's great! You are the only one I know of, now, that has been successful and I am happy to be wrong. But as you know that doesn't mean that I will be successful too. Because Shizuoka gets the warm south wind from the Pacific Ocean even in the winter. Here in Kameyama, where I live, at the foot of the Suzuka Mountain Range the climate is much colder than Shizuoka.
We have a lot of frost which is worst than snow. The day after I made the video of my grafted banana, we had a heavy frost that terrified me. I thought it was the end of my bananas. But I just checked on them and they look fine. I still have great hope of attaining success.
By the way, tell me what kind of edible banana produced fruit at your place?
It makes me very curious.
Por favor!
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Looks more like "Fortunately" he is wrong!

Nice photo.
I feel the same way, I give him my congratulations!
To tell you guys the truth I know somebody else who has been successful too, but it doen't count because he has a hot spring near by, and the enrionment is really warm.
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I feel the same way, I give him my congratulations!
To tell you guys the truth I know somebody else who has been successful too, but it doen't count because he has a hot spring near by, and the enrionment is really warm.
I mean environment. Please forgive my wrong spelling, my eye sight fails me. Sorry.
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Mauro,

I was thinking about your climate and it's not too different from southern Georgia here in the USA. You can see from the photos after some hard freezes the bananas suffered some fried leaves but they came back in the spring/summer. I think your disappointments have more to do with variety.

http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstrea...1/36010048.pdf

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I was thinking about your climate and it's not too different from southern Georgia here in the USA. You can see from the photos after some hard freezes the bananas suffered some fried leaves but they came back in the spring/summer. I think your disappointments have more to do with variety.

http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstrea...1/36010048.pdf

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Wow, Jeffreyp! That's good information. I will read it at least a hundred times so I can apply it to my orchard. Sometimes I felt kinda stupid for trying to grow bananas here, but now I feel more confident. I felt very discouraged when I lost the pups my other brother brought from Brazil. My second brother brought me pups of 6 different varieties popular in Brazil and I lost all of them in the first winter about 6 years ago. At present the only edible varieties I have is the Raja Puri and the Okinawan banana which I call Lady Finger. If you have more information, please let me know. My real aim is to harvest fresh bananas. I didn't know our friend from Shizuoka had been successful already. I just don't know the type of banana he has. I hope he will tell me.
Thanks, i really appreciate your help.
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Hallo Boa tarde Mauro,

The following photo shows the banana that I harvested last automn.
This banana was potted in 60 littre plastic container placed outside in the
open field throughout the year including winter time. It also got down to
minus 2 deg.C a coule of times. But the banana went through and bore
very delicous bananas.
The friends on this forum identified it would most probally Namwah's sub-
group "Pisang Awak".

The name of the banana of the photo that I posted this morning is totally
unknown although some identifier guesses as "Cardaba".
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Mauro,

I was thinking about your climate and it's not too different from southern Georgia here in the USA. You can see from the photos after some hard freezes the bananas suffered some fried leaves but they came back in the spring/summer. I think your disappointments have more to do with variety.

http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstrea...1/36010048.pdf

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Further research is necessary to determine
the plants with suffi cient cold hardiness and the
cultivars suited for Annual Cropping Production
(ACP) under Georgia weather conditions. Theseimportant studies have not been carried out due to
lack of funding. What a pity!
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Old 01-26-2010, 04:28 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Hallo Boa tarde Mauro,

The following photo shows the banana that I harvested last automn.
This banana was potted in 60 littre plastic container placed outside in the
open field throughout the year including winter time. It also got down to
minus 2 deg.C a coule of times. But the banana went through and bore
very delicous bananas.
The friends on this forum identified it would most probally Namwah's sub-
group "Pisang Awak".

The name of the banana of the photo that I posted this morning is totally
unknown although some identifier guesses as "Cardaba".
Thank you for the information Asacomm. Could you tell me where you got it?
I don't think there are so many kinds of edible bananas here in Japan.
How did you get hold of this specimen?
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Surprisingly southern turkey has commercial banana production but the bananas grown are used mostly within turkey and are not exported. I heard the recent preference in Turkey was for the supermarket banana or Gran Nain and less favored is the locally grown variety. I had shipped some tissue cultured gran nain to a grower and they are doing fine in that climate. They finally reached maturity back 5-6 years ago and I heard the locals love them. Hopefully they will continue to use the divisions off of the mature gran nain plants and increase even further production with that variety. But see even in countries that produce bananas selection is often limited apparently as it is in Japan.
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Thank you for the information Asacomm. Could you tell me where you got it?
I don't think there are so many kinds of edible bananas here in Japan.
How did you get hold of this specimen?
Bon dia Mauro, como esta?

I found these two varieties quite incidentally.
The one that they say it could be "Cardaba" was found in checking websites
on banana. A man in Miyazaki posted a thread telling behind his house there
had long been a banana grove that produced very delicious bananas every
year. Then I got a pup from him.

The other one that would be "Pisang Awak" was found on the way of my
driving. The banana grove was left half wild, but was fruiting. And I got a pup
from the landowner. That was a quite coincidence.
The landlowner told me that the banana grove had been there for some 60
years and he harvested fruits almost every year.

Esta clar?
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Surprisingly southern turkey has commercial banana production but the bananas grown are used mostly within turkey and are not exported. I heard the recent preference in Turkey was for the supermarket banana or Gran Nain and less favored is the locally grown variety. I had shipped some tissue cultured gran nain to a grower and they are doing fine in that climate. They finally reached maturity back 5-6 years ago and I heard the locals love them. Hopefully they will continue to use the divisions off of the mature gran nain plants and increase even further production with that variety. But see even in countries that produce bananas selection is often limited apparently as it is in Japan.
Jeff, please check this site about Anamur you can see some pictures of bananas grown there.
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I don't know what the variety it is they grow in turkey but they do grow alot of them. Though I have been told the Turks prefer the commercial banana varieties over the locally grown ones. I hope one day the gran nain plants I shipped over there are doing well and have already produced fruit.
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Maybe some growth factors or something similar is shared when two corms are fused together?
Since plants are rooted and not able to move about they are able to cultivate a continuous and plastic developmental system and are able to adapt to an assortment of environmental surrounding. Because of the plant’s unique features there are several notable benefits to studying plant stem cells. First, the plants cells are fixed into the cell wall making it easy to trace the pattern of cell division during the development of the cell. Second, plants have an adjustable developmental system which allows them to morph to their existing environment. This makes it easy to the specialized parts and functions of a plant. With biochemical change of many genes in stem cell maintenance death in the embryonic stage of cell development does not occur, therefore genetic approaches can be used to study stem cells.

Stem cell research in humans raises many ethical issues, but with plants these issues do not prevail. Cloning has been happening for decades with plants and the assistance of humans. Many people “clone” plants in their gardens and for scientist they can do the same in a laboratory. This is an advantage for the science industry in observing plant stem cells. Data can be collected and studied in different point of view
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I think this thread is very interesting. I don't feel I need t go out and play god, but I think if plants fuse together which can happen they may share things that could possibly help or hinder the other plant :^) There's not 100's of types of banana's for no reason ...
In 1902, an Austrian botanist Gottlieb Haberlandt introduced Totipotency to describe the plasticity of plant cells and it’s the ability for cells to divide into many types of cells to produce an entire organism. The developmental plasticity of plant cells are well-known in laboratory gardens, where they are cultivated and harvested. Parts of plants such as leaves, stems, and roots are cut and put into soil or water. After a while, new shoots and roots begin to develop from the freshly cut plant (also known as grafting).

In 1958, Titopotency was first demonstrated using carrot cells. Fully differentiated carrot cells were extracted and put together to form an entirely new organism. Basically the carrot was cloned.

The process included creating clones from differentiated cells that can be divided into two stages: dedifferentiation and redifferentiation. Phytohormones (plant hormones), auxin and cytokinin play a key role in facilitating cellular recombination. Auxin, a tryptophan derivative, and cytokinin, a purine derivative, works counteractively to produce the perfect the perfect environment for differentiated cells. During incubation, high concentrations of auxin and cytokinin help the dedifferentiate cells to clump into a mass called a callus. The Callus is maintained in a tissue culture, where totipotency and differentiation responds to the hormone levels y shoots and roots. Redifferentiation occurs when individual cells become differentiated and are dispatched to different areas. As they embark to their respective positions, they become individuals based on their specific tasks. When they reach the assigned area, they begin the process of constructing the new organism.
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Maybe novisyatria should try grafting in tissue culture
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