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Old 02-07-2010, 12:17 PM   #161 (permalink)
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Wow, Jeffreyp! That's good information. I will read it at least a hundred times so I can apply it to my orchard. Sometimes I felt kinda stupid for trying to grow bananas here, but now I feel more confident. I felt very discouraged when I lost the pups my other brother brought from Brazil. My second brother brought me pups of 6 different varieties popular in Brazil and I lost all of them in the first winter about 6 years ago. At present the only edible varieties I have is the Raja Puri and the Okinawan banana which I call Lady Finger. If you have more information, please let me know. My real aim is to harvest fresh bananas. I didn't know our friend from Shizuoka had been successful already. I just don't know the type of banana he has. I hope he will tell me.
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Muro i live in the midal of the Mohove desert people think im nuts for growing bananas and i live at 3000ft elavation in the seara Navada moutains and my Bananas are thriving well they dont grow as well as they would in a more tropical invorment but they do pretty well im sure i will get fruit this year there are viriatys out that that gow in colder climets some of them are unknown to us but there out there having mutated form origanly cold sesativ stock whats you climet zone again mabe some one here on the org has some stock that has provin to be cold hardy my temps whent in the the high 20 this year and my Blue javas are already throwing new leafs just stlitly growing alsow my Enset M has just produced a big new leaf and the night time teps are now 45ish keep us posted the longer we all grow viriatys in marganal ereas the more likly that a hybred with new hardenss will come in to exsistent
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Maybe novisyatria should try grafting in tissue culture
That's a sound idea, plants might be prone to accept grafts much more easily under such conditions.
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That's a sound idea, plants might be prone to accept grafts much more easily under such conditions.
That was my thought.If it's going to work it seems this would be the best way.
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Muro i live in the midal of the Mohove desert people think im nuts for growing bananas and i live at 3000ft elavation in the seara Navada moutains and my Bananas are thriving well they dont grow as well as they would in a more tropical invorment but they do pretty well im sure i will get fruit this year there are viriatys out that that gow in colder climets some of them are unknown to us but there out there having mutated form origanly cold sesativ stock whats you climet zone again mabe some one here on the org has some stock that has provin to be cold hardy my temps whent in the the high 20 this year and my Blue javas are already throwing new leafs just stlitly growing alsow my Enset M has just produced a big new leaf and the night time teps are now 45ish keep us posted the longer we all grow viriatys in marganal ereas the more likly that a hybred with new hardenss will come in to exsistent
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That's a sound idea, plants might be prone to accept grafts much more easily under such conditions.
technically yes we can grafting in vitro, but i am a little busy now for propagating heheh. maybe later.
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Muro i live in the midal of the Mohove desert people think im nuts for growing bananas and i live at 3000ft elavation in the seara Navada moutains and my Bananas are thriving well they dont grow as well as they would in a more tropical invorment but they do pretty well im sure i will get fruit this year there are viriatys out that that gow in colder climets some of them are unknown to us but there out there having mutated form origanly cold sesativ stock whats you climet zone again mabe some one here on the org has some stock that has provin to be cold hardy my temps whent in the the high 20 this year and my Blue javas are already throwing new leafs just stlitly growing alsow my Enset M has just produced a big new leaf and the night time teps are now 45ish keep us posted the longer we all grow viriatys in marganal ereas the more likly that a hybred with new hardenss will come in to exsistent
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Tolerance or resistance to multiple environmental stresses is a complex phenomenon and it is too early to generalize that a set of protein molecules or a set of genes can integrate a ONE response for all aspects of stresses. Under field conditions, higher plants respond to various environmental factors singly or in combination via a set of phenotypic traits.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:21 PM   #167 (permalink)
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Tolerance or resistance to multiple environmental stresses is a complex phenomenon and it is too early to generalize that a set of protein molecules or a set of genes can integrate a ONE response for all aspects of stresses. Under field conditions, higher plants respond to various environmental factors singly or in combination via a set of phenotypic traits.
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So how are the naners, Mauro? Did they survive the winter?
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So how are the naners, Mauro? Did they survive the winter?
Only the grafted pups did. The tall ones died around the end of March. The winter is too long for them to bear. I didn't reach success, yet. I guess I have to try again. I still wonder why pups survive the winter and the adults, mature plants don't.
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I haven't heard from you lately. How are you? Here is some information about plants:
The fact that scientists now recognize that plants have an immune system is the result of pioneering work by Paul Schulze-Lefert, a director of the Plant Breeding Institute for eight years. Initially, plants were believed to have inflexible and underdeveloped defense systems, but in a series of publications, Schulze-Lefert described the molecular foundations of sophisticated protection mechanisms. While they have neither circulation nor specialized immune cells, plants do have a dual radar system in each cell, one external and one internal. The external radar consists of a series of receptors. When one of these recognizes a pathogen, it sets off an alarm that triggers a defensive response. If the pathogen still manages to penetrate into the cell, it comes up against a second line of defense. If the relevant sensor is triggered the cell undergoes apoptosis, as a way of protecting the rest of the plant. "These two radar screens are a highly dynamic system based on resistance genes that constantly develop in the race against pests," says Schulze-Lefert. "The fact that whole crops are sometimes destroyed by pathogens has to do with the constraints placed on this co-evolutionary process ever since the pool of resistance genes started being restricted by breeding and vegetative reproduction. Our job is to give the plants new resistance genes, ideally combinations of them."
I have trying to prove that the impossible can be done grafting mature banana pups and get a new crossbred variety.

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Maybe some growth factors or something similar is shared when two corms are fused together?
Hi Jeffrey, Long time no see! By the way, I'm still alive and tempering with my banana plants. The weather over here in mainland Japan is too cold for my experiments so I moved my plants to a warmer climate, Okinawa. Now the cold weather will not kill my plants 'cause the climate is Okinawa is subtropical and we grow bananas all year round. I have grafted citrus fruits producing hybrids, so the root stock can affect the scion for sure, it's a fact! I have calamansi lemons producing hybrids right here in my orchard. My grafted bananas survived the winter but are not producing fruits, yet. LOL!
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Hi Jack, Myy bananas survived the winter but are not producing fruits, yet!
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Interesting. Sounds to me like preliminary evidence of grafting. I would like to see dug-up corms of grafted plants, though, to see that they really have grown together and healed over the outside of the junction the way a cut would heal on a single corm.

How does a cut heal on a single corm, by the way? I've seen video of cutting off pups, and of transplanting whole plants, where people chop away pretty casually and then the plant is growing just fine in the next scene. So I know they heal well. But I've never seen one where they dig up a recently-cut corm to show what the healing cut looks like. Ideally, someone would transplant a pup every few days until the first one is well recovered from being cut, and then dig them all up at once to get a picture of the stages of recovery.
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I'm curious to know the updates
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Hi Jesse, here is a report of what I've been doing lately. Let me begin with my grafting, if I may call it grafting, for the skeptical people, I cut the corm of a Basjoo pup and another corm of a Raja Puri pup and tied them together. After they grew together sharing the same space of course, I cut the Raja Puri pup and didn't let it grow. My aim was to make the Basjoo pup suck cells from the Raja's corm or bulb. After around 4 months, the winter came and the Raja Puri corm probably died because it never grew up again when the spring came, while the Basjoo went into dormancy during the winter and continued its growth in the spring. In the third year the Basjoo bore seeded fruits and I planted them this spring. Out of about 1000 seeds around 15 seeds germinated. 6 seedlings died but 9 seedlings are growing vigorously. All the 9 seedlings have different characteristics, such as the shape of the leaves and collor. If they are hybrids of Basjoo and Raja Puri I don't know. If they are 100% M. Basjoo or not I also don't know. I have to wait for this new generation of plants to bear fruits to be able to identify them. Some of the plants seem to have the leaves similar to the Raja Puri and some seem to be just like the Basjoo. As you all know, in the plant kingdom amazing things happen, mutants occur in the wild because some insects or termites trick the plant to transform. I don't know of anyone having collected Basjoo viable seeds. In the past I have harvested seeds from Basjoo plants but they never germinated. Only the grafted Basjoo produced viable seeds in my 15-year-old garden. I have about 7 mats of Basjoo and the bananas that are not pollinated fall down when young and inmature. I will continue grafting my Basjoo Plants because I want to grow a variety that will resist the cold. Up to now I don't have any edible banana that will resist my climate. I will continue studying the abnormalities of nature and I have confidence that I will get good results although many botanists do not approve my experiments. So long for now and Best Wishes to all the members of the forum.
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I approve!
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Hello Mauro,

I still don't approve your "Grafting", but I will keep my eyes with much interests
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If you like it, I wlcome your mail or message either in English or Japanese
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I still don't approve your "Grafting", but I will keep my eyes with much interests
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If you like it, I wlcome your mail or message either in English or Japanese
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Thank you Asacomm. I appreciate your friendship. We have something in common, we live in the same country and we are banana enthusiasts. Your climate is warmer than mine, so you have a better chance of growing edible bananas. As my furusato, home town is Okinawa I don't have any need to do any crazy experiments, because we can grow any kind of bananas in the subtropical climate of Okinawa but living here in Mie Prefecture and encounter the M. Basjoo which is very cold resistant made me curious about the behavior of the banana plants, and find a way to crossbreed them. What I am doing is something unbelievable, and doesn't deserve any credit, but still there is something in my mind that tells me that if I keep trying I will get somewhere. I already have 9 plants of a new generation of Basjoo growing marvelously and that is enough to satisfy my ambitions for the moment. I will keep you informed about my experiments. For myself it is really rewarding to have friends in the forum. Best Wishes, Mauro
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