bencelest

But you ought to taste my Prince Ranier cherries!
They are so very sweet and juicy.
Nah!
I just want to make you drool.
Yes, it is true that them cherries will be cheap. So are the navel oranges nowadays. 10 cents a lb. at the produce market. And they are so big and so sweet my wife eats that only for lunch. I've been juicing them, ate them fresh, and I've been using them for breakfast and dinner.

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JoeReal

I will be tasting your Prince Rainier Cherries next year! Thanks Benny! That is why we mostly grow what is not being sold commercially.

I went home before the rains fell and I was able to graft some more:

Ponderosa budded unto Lisbon
Ponderosa budded unto Rio Star
Seedless Lemon budded unto Lisbon
Seedess lemon bark grafted unto Chironja
Kaffir Lime bark grafted unto Eureka.

Seedless lemon budwood all gone now...

Then the rains hit, and so I scampered inside and I taught my daughter how to graft and so she grafted Chironja grapefruit unto an apple. Lisbon unto an apple. Apple unto an apple. She also budded Chironja unto Lisbon and Lisbon unto Chironja. She did not do a great job with bark grafting, but she is like a pro at T-budding, both the regular and inverted T. Forget the Apple and Citrus grafting, it was just a practice for her, those were from the left-over wood from all of my grafting that she practiced on. Next time, I will have her T-bud when the rains are over. I bet, it is going to cost me...

bencelest

You are welcome Joe. So those cherry sticks took?
Anyway, as far as my kids are concern, it cost me OK but I made them think that I am paying them for their help in my yard but to me that's their allowance.
They are the ones who installed the pergola, raised the soil with bark chips, cow manure, small rocks and compost at the pergola, removed all the grass at the slope end and cover them with bark chips etc......

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chong

I was watering my greenhouse plants and to my horror, I found my Calamonidins stripped of their bark! And they were flushing really good, with lots of flower buds, too.

Good thing I noticed it now, because, just minutes before, I was taking pictures of the conditions in there but did not notice it then. I was taking pictures of the White Champaca for the yellowing of its leaves for another thread here. While doing so, I noticed that some of the plants needed watering.




I wonder if what I'm thinking makes sense to you that are experts at grafting. For the moment, I'm ruling out buying rootstock to double graft onto these babies because I think that between UPS and the CaDA, the best that I'm looking at is a week before they get here, and the rootstock will have to establish roots themselves. But I will call Frank at Citrus Nursery on Monday morning to see what is the best shipping scenario I can work out with them.

Another thing I'm thinking of doing is to Bridge Bark Graft over the wounds. I have a large "Citromello" that has three 1-inch trunks that I can get scion barks from. What I do not know is what it would do to the Citromello, if I were to remove 1/4" x 4" strips at random places. And, even, if it's going to work. (I got the Citromello [Ponciros Trifoliata x Pummelo cross] from the Raintree Nursery 14 years ago, and it was at least 3 years old when I got it.)

Another is whether just adding soil and enough to cover the wounds would work to save them. Sort of, like a modified air layering.

I suspect that rats are the culprits on this. Twenty years ago, the same thing happened to two 4-ft tall Babaco Papayas. They ate about 4-inches of the trunk at the base. I didn't know then that these may be grown from cuttings, so I just promptly disposed of them.

I would really appreciate any feedback.

Chong

chong

One other thing I forgot to ask is, can I just wrap the wounds with grafting tape? I would suspect that for those trunks that have continuity with their bark, it would probably work. But what about those that do not?

Thanks again for any help.

Richard

YIKES! It looks like they took the cambrian layer with the bark in which case those plants are dead. I hope Joe Real pipes in here soon with his suggestion.

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bencelest

I agree with Richard. If the cambial layer is gone all around the bark, the roots can not feed the leaves anymore so it will eventually die. Wrapping the bark with grafting tape will do no good either because the upper part of the tree has to be fed somehow.That's why in grafting you only leave 2 to 3 buds (max) because of limited supply of sap the host mother can supply. Bridging with another bark from another tree will work maybe if you will drastically cut the top tree and leave just enough length enough to the bridged bark to supply the food. That in itself is not guaranteed either. You'll have to wrap the grafted bark and most of the plant to protect it from the sun and bacteria. Just like you are grafting.
This is my opinion only and I must admit I am not an expert like Joe is.

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JoeReal

Chong, this is an emergency. Try to learn bridge grafting. It is like bark grafting but you do it on both ends to "bridge" the girdled portion. I can send you loads of calamondin sticks via Fedex if you want, and you can use these calamondin sticks for your bridge graft.

I just helped my professor topwork his giant pummelo tree and I have plenty of Calamondin branches that I have sacrificed. I will get some more and send it over should you want to try. Bridge grafting is the only option right now.

Joe

JoeReal

Grafted today in my yard:

Sudachi bark grafted unto topmost limb of Eureka
Sudachi T-budded unto topmost limb of my 79-n-1 tree, so it is now 80-n-1, should it take. Sudachi was T-budded unto Miho Wase branch.
Limonero Messina bark grafted unto Chironja
Limonero Messina bark grafted unto Eureka
Small Flat Seville bark grafted unto Chironja
Small Flat Seville bark grafted unto Meyer

Grafted at my Professor's yard (all bark grafts) with the help of a friend and my daughter:
Lane Late unto Washington Navel (3 places)
Vainiglia Sanguigno unto Washington Navel (2 places)
Calamondin unto Chandler Pummelo, complete topworking (23 places)
Tavares Limequat unto Chandler (1 place)

chong

Thank you very much, Joe! I did not think about the actual bridge grafting. In my original post regarding this, I was asking whether Bark Bridge Grafting might work, if I get bark material from my Citromello. But I was afraid that it might not work on the damaged plants, and at the same time harm the Citromello.

Yes, Joe. If you can send me wood for bridging, I would be extremely grateful. I have an account with FedEX, though I might have to look for my account number before I can send it to you. However, just to let you know, although I have not done it personally before, I have watched how they do it at the WA Horticultural Society meetings. And also, coincidentally, I have a couple of pounds of grafting sealer wax and a roll of grafting tape.

Please let me know what other information you need from me. Also, please let me know what I can do to keep my plants on a holding pattern and not deteriorate while waiting for the graft wood. Like for example, should I cut out most of the leaves near petiole, etc.? Do I do anything to the exposed wounds?

Thanks again for your help.

Chong

chong

Sorry if my previous post did not make any sense. I am more than just a little paranoid. But now, I realize that there is some hope. I will be looking forward to possibly an all-nighter when the graft wood from Joe arrives, so I can graft them right away.

It's interesting that this would happen to me, when just a couple of days ago, I was looking at my Citronello, and I was wondering if it's not too late to graft into it. And whether I could still get grafting wood from anyone.

Well, Joe, if you saved any of the wood you cut out from your professor's giant pummelo, I would be very interested in some. For that matter, I would be very interested in anything else. I believe that my Citromello can host quite a few varieties.

Also, Joe, I have a couple of larger (2-ft) Calamondins that are growing a couple of branches at the base that have thorns on them. They have the regular citrus leaves, not trifoliate. If they are the correct size, will these be useful. I can do it for the most damaged plant, while waiting for the wood from you.

Talking about getting bark from the Citromello, the timing could not have been worse. It snowed last night, and now it's snowing again. Would have been pretty difficult trying to control my knife cutting, trying to get the bark, while I'm shivering. I was just so ecstatic with your suggestion and offer.

Thanks again so much.

Chong

bencelest

I did not graft today but I saw something that surprised me. Here's a Blynhym apricot that I grafted on a King flavored plout on 7/8/07 and this morning I accidentally looked at it and there were 4 fruits hiding.
Here they are:

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bencelest

Not only that!
I have a few branches that I grafted maryann's apricot and here's one branch that all took. Grafted almost the same time as above. Her apricot was so sweet and juicy I did not stop until I got me a branch. You will too once you taste them once.

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paula

Can any one give a good place to look for
more info on grafting sounds like something
I would like to try.
Thanks Paula

Richard

Here's an excellent place to start: The Techniques of Grafting DVD, produced by the Orange County CRFG Chapter.

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bencelest

I grafted 2 Meyer lemon to my Eureka. I got the budwood from a friend where I noticed the fruits of the meyer were so many.
Also 3 apple pear to an Asian pear tree.

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john_ny

Over the years, I have done many grafts. Some time ago, I would do several hundred fruit trees, each year, for my nursery business. Lately, demand has slacked off somewhat. I think this is due to the fact that we are more crowded than we were, land prices have risen, and yards are smaller.
Since I am in New York, most of what I did were temperate, rather than tropical, fruits; apples, pears, peaches, plums, apricots, and cherries. I have been most successful with whip and tongue grafts, which are done in the winter, when trees are dormant, but have also done some T buds, and chip buds, which are done when the trees are growing, and the bark slips. Peaches are normally budded, in the summer, because the grafts don't take well in cold weather. I wanted to graft, rather than bud, some peaches. I solved the problem, by potting up the rootstocks and taking them in the greenhouse, in late winter, doing the grafts, and leaving them in the warm house for the union to heal.
A good little hint: I wrap the grafts, or buds, with a laboratory film, called, "Parafilm". This is a very stretchy plastic film, that adheres to itself (but without glue). You do not have to remove it. It stretches, as the union swells and, eventually, just falls off. On a bud, you don't have to wrap it above, and below, the bud. You can tape right over the bud and it will grow right through the tape.

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harveyc

I use Parafilm also, especially for my citrus, avocado, white sapote grafts. One of my favorite grafting tapes these days is masking tape. I buy mine at Ace Hardware, their own brand, for $.99 when on sale and have used it on about a couple thousand grafts for chestnuts but also some other temperate things. It sticks even better than Parafilm, has more strength, and tears when the union swells if you don't make too many wraps. I do use Doc Farwell's grafting sealer also, though. Buds are just pushing on chestnuts now, except for a few earlybirds, and I will wait another couple of weeks before doing another round of grafts (only about 200 this year as I'm about done with my expansion/conversion project).

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Well, since this thread was started first, I'll post on here about my 2nd attempt to graft.
2 days ago I grafted 3 sticks of haas avocado & 2 varieties of loquat. I planted avocado seed & loquat seed 3 yrs ago & they've been ready to graft onto. Hope they take. Last time, I took tape off too soon LOL
Thanks to my buddy Gaylord in Virginia for sending me the budsticks.
I have room on another avo tree for more varieties of avo's - if I can get Joe Reals attention to buy some from (?) I know he's been busy lately.

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Patty in Wisc has sadly passed away 9/05/11. We will miss you Patty.

JoeReal

Something's coming your way soon Patty!