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Old 03-14-2008, 11:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What about "grafting"?
I suppose there are not too many interested in this subject.
I've been grafting so many citrus,apples, plouts and plums since 2 weeks ago.
When I graft, it is in short proximity to the soil line. Part of this is because I have room for one or two trees of each fruit variety that will grow in my area; another part is that I cook, freeze, make jam, sorbet etc. from batches of the same cultivar and so 1/2 dozen of one fruit won't do; and finally I don't multi-graft to test varieties -- instead I just go to a fruit tasting or someone with the plant and try it there.

On the other hand, I really admire what others are doing with multi-graft trees because many varieties are untested in their climate, or they just don't have room for both an orange and tangerine tree.

So what did you graft today?
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Some of the cultivars I have but I need to regraft them on other parts of the tree for better balance of the canopy based on their growth. About a third of these are new.

Cherries (done and all pushing out):
Lambert
Ron's
Dawson
Brooks
Almaden Duke
Rainier
Saylor
Ramon Aliva
Long John
Nanking
K-5
Emerich#1
Emerich#2
Late Lomeli
La Roca Grande


Plums(done and all pushing out):
Black Splendor
John W
Superior
Beauty
Inca
Wickson
Black Amber
Sierra
Fellenberg
Burgundy
E Heart
W.S.Rosa
Satsuma
Nubiana
San Jose FS
Sierra
Satsuma
13133
13134
Black Amber
K-1


Apricots(done and all pushing out):
Waugh
Zard

Peaches and Nectarines (done and all pushing out):
Fairtime
Cal.Curl Free
UFO
Rio Oso
Strawberry Free


Pears and Apples (done and all pushing out):
Edward's Winter
Fiesta
Highland
Honeycrisp
Kosui
Magness
Monark
Newton Pippin
Pine Hill
Seuri
Shinko
Tarusa Crimson
Warren
Winter Banana
Yoinashi



Citruses (10% done):
Benny's Bicol Calamondin
Centennial
Eustis Limequat
giant key lime
Gold Nugget
Navelate
Nordman Seedless Nagami
Reinking Pummelo
Rex Union Grapefruit hybrid
Seedless lemon
SRA 92 Clementine
Sudachi Hybrid
Tango Mandarin
Thong Dee Pummelo
USDA 88-2
kaffir lime
Kinkoji
Kuno Wase
Smooth Flat Seville
China S-6
China S-7
China S-9
Corsica#1
Limonero Messina
Ponderosa
Sidi Aissa
Lane Late
Pink Grapefruit
Pixie
Chironja GF hybrid
Clementine Nules
Dream
Indio Mandarinquat
Mato Buntan
Pearl Tangelo
Ruby Blood
Salustiana
Smith Red
Tavares Limequat
Vainiglia Sanguigno
Joe's Tarocco

Persimmons (still to be done):
5-sided PCNA
Acorn Type from Val
Chocolate
Dai-dai Maru
Fuji
Giant fuyu
Gosho
H128
Hachiya
Hana Gosho
Honan Red
Hyakume
Imoto
Izu
Jiro
Maekawa Jiro
Matsumoto Wase
Nishijo from Alex
OC Maru
R.Smith
Real Fuyu
Rosseyenka
Saijo
Suruga
Tamopan
Zenji Maru

Loquats
Jujubes


Assorted Blueberries (still coming)
Other peaches (still on their way)
Other nectarines and apricots (on their way)
other persimmons (on their way too)
other citruses (there's still more coming)

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Grafting for me is year round. I have potted plants inside the house so I can graft rain or shine.

Done about ten days ago:
Was really fortunate to purchase very few Tango budwoods and so took the most of my share of the buds. They all took, and I am doing the Tango!


By joereal at 2008-03-05

Tango on the Volk, coming out strong. I have to test for myself if indeed it will produce insipid fruits. Perhaps with our climate it would turn out fine just like the Yosemite Gold on rough lemons. It may not be supersweet but just the right sweetness for our taste.

By joereal at 2008-03-05

Tango T-bud and Gold Nugget bark graft combo on the Volk. I've tasted Gold Nugget produced on the Volk, and with proper length of time on the tree, it turned out really well. It is a good keeper. These are two of the most recommended mandarin types for our area, but not the rootstock though. The worst that can happen is that I would have plenty of budwoods from the vigorous growth on Volk (in fact some propagators could use the technique of grafting for budwood propagation, and not primarily fruit production).


By joereal at 2008-03-05
Of course, as the tip given to me by Bonnie, Prof Manners and MrTexas, Flying dragon are excellent rootstocks when you want high quality fruits. And I have already a SRA 92 with two blooms, a Gold Nugget and a Tango budded and already sprouting. Will plan to add one more mandarin before chopping off the remainder of the Flying Dragon


By joereal at 2008-03-05
And of course, I'm into multi-graft who want to have it all on one tree in a residential lot with itty bitty yard.

I am in the early stages of assembling a multi-grafted mandarin tree. Already sprouting are Tango, Gold Nugget, Corsica #1, Sidi Aissa, and China Satsuma S-9. Will plan to add more later.
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WOW .... I get so excited reading about this. I really want to do this someday.
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just a little warmer and will be grafting a 9 tip plumie with 9 different species, the plumie is a old grove farm that almost froze so i cut it to good wood which was about 8" from ground level and it shot out 9 tips!!!! i cant wait
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Way to go, Joe!

The Gold Nugget mandarin is the best I've ever tasted. It is one of the "lost" Howard Frost cultivars that Toots Bier rescued from the UCR collection. I hope your graft is a winner for you. Mine is in the ground on Flying Dragon -- a situation I'm not entirely happy with. What are some other rootstock possibilities?
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You can graft the Gold Nugget unto Ponkan Mandarins and you won't be disappointed in terms of growth and fruit quality.

Gold Nugget is vigorous and would readily graft unto many citrus cultivars. Even my lousiest graft of them will always take and sprout. On the other hand, the Giant Key Lime is one of my most challenging citrus to graft.

Gold Nugget can be grafted unto the Volkameriana lemon and the fruit quality is more than good enough. For sure it can be grafted unto C-35, Carrizo, and Swingle. Most Trifoliate type stocks and their hybrids would be good to use. Long term compatibility, you may have problems with benching 30 years down the road if done on Swingle. But let the next generation worry about that one.
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Joe, thanks for that great recommendation!
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Grafting for me is year round. I have potted plants inside the house so I can graft rain or shine.

Done about ten days ago:
Was really fortunate to purchase very few Tango budwoods and so took the most of my share of the buds. They all took, and I am doing the Tango!


By joereal at 2008-03-05

Tango on the Volk, coming out strong. I have to test for myself if indeed it will produce insipid fruits. Perhaps with our climate it would turn out fine just like the Yosemite Gold on rough lemons. It may not be supersweet but just the right sweetness for our taste.

By joereal at 2008-03-05

Tango T-bud and Gold Nugget bark graft combo on the Volk. I've tasted Gold Nugget produced on the Volk, and with proper length of time on the tree, it turned out really well. It is a good keeper. These are two of the most recommended mandarin types for our area, but not the rootstock though. The worst that can happen is that I would have plenty of budwoods from the vigorous growth on Volk (in fact some propagators could use the technique of grafting for budwood propagation, and not primarily fruit production).


By joereal at 2008-03-05
Of course, as the tip given to me by Bonnie, Prof Manners and MrTexas, Flying dragon are excellent rootstocks when you want high quality fruits. And I have already a SRA 92 with two blooms, a Gold Nugget and a Tango budded and already sprouting. Will plan to add one more mandarin before chopping off the remainder of the Flying Dragon


By joereal at 2008-03-05
And of course, I'm into multi-graft who want to have it all on one tree in a residential lot with itty bitty yard.

I am in the early stages of assembling a multi-grafted mandarin tree. Already sprouting are Tango, Gold Nugget, Corsica #1, Sidi Aissa, and China Satsuma S-9. Will plan to add more later.
If you graft something on sour orange, then later graft a part of that graft on flying dragon will it still turn out as good?
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If you graft something on sour orange, then later graft a part of that graft on flying dragon will it still turn out as good?
You meant Sour orange as base, then flying dragon as interstem, then whatevery cultivar on flying dragon?

Most likely it will be a compromise. The root system of the base stock has a big influence on the quality of the fruit juices on the final scionwood. The interstem should have to be at least 12" to have a "compromise" or in between effect. You will not achieve the same quality as when FD is the base stock, but it could help.
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Some of the cultivars I have but I need to regraft them on other parts of the tree for better balance of the canopy based on their growth. About a third of these are new.

Cherries (done and all pushing out):
Lambert
Ron's
Dawson
Brooks
Almaden Duke
Rainier
Saylor
Ramon Aliva
Long John
Nanking
K-5
Emerich#1
Emerich#2
Late Lomeli
La Roca Grande


Plums(done and all pushing out):
Black Splendor
John W
Superior
Beauty
Inca
Wickson
Black Amber
Sierra
Fellenberg
Burgundy
E Heart
W.S.Rosa
Satsuma
Nubiana
San Jose FS
Sierra
Satsuma
13133
13134
Black Amber
K-1


Apricots(done and all pushing out):
Waugh
Zard

Peaches and Nectarines (done and all pushing out):
Fairtime
Cal.Curl Free
UFO
Rio Oso
Strawberry Free


Pears and Apples (done and all pushing out):
Edward's Winter
Fiesta
Highland
Honeycrisp
Kosui
Magness
Monark
Newton Pippin
Pine Hill
Seuri
Shinko
Tarusa Crimson
Warren
Winter Banana
Yoinashi



Citruses (10% done):
Benny's Bicol Calamondin
Centennial
Eustis Limequat
giant key lime
Gold Nugget
Navelate
Nordman Seedless Nagami
Reinking Pummelo
Rex Union Grapefruit hybrid
Seedless lemon
SRA 92 Clementine
Sudachi Hybrid
Tango Mandarin
Thong Dee Pummelo
USDA 88-2
kaffir lime
Kinkoji
Kuno Wase
Smooth Flat Seville
China S-6
China S-7
China S-9
Corsica#1
Limonero Messina
Ponderosa
Sidi Aissa
Lane Late
Pink Grapefruit
Pixie
Chironja GF hybrid
Clementine Nules
Dream
Indio Mandarinquat
Mato Buntan
Pearl Tangelo
Ruby Blood
Salustiana
Smith Red
Tavares Limequat
Vainiglia Sanguigno
Joe's Tarocco

Persimmons (still to be done):
5-sided PCNA
Acorn Type from Val
Chocolate
Dai-dai Maru
Fuji
Giant fuyu
Gosho
H128
Hachiya
Hana Gosho
Honan Red
Hyakume
Imoto
Izu
Jiro
Maekawa Jiro
Matsumoto Wase
Nishijo from Alex
OC Maru
R.Smith
Real Fuyu
Rosseyenka
Saijo
Suruga
Tamopan
Zenji Maru

Loquats
Jujubes


Assorted Blueberries (still coming)
Other peaches (still on their way)
Other nectarines and apricots (on their way)
other persimmons (on their way too)
other citruses (there's still more coming)
Joe: I am impressed how many had you grafted.
I thought I was the only one who were busy grafting.
The many budwoods that we got from the UCR were still not grafted because all of my trees are flowering now and I don't want to disturb them except for a few branches.
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Here's a sample of my newly grafted citrus.
The one on purple arrows are the newly grafted ones. The one on the red are last year's and the branches on the left are EZ's Oroblanco . They were all grafted to a Chandler pommelo because I found out that pommelos don't sweetened in my area. Not enough warmth during the Summer months. And I found out that mandarins are not affected. They can be as all sweet as can be. So I grafted many JoeReal's clemenules on this one. At least 16 stems and counting.

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You guys are talking about flying dragon. I am not sure if I am familiar with that. All I know is trifoliate rootstock. Can you tell me about it?
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You guys are talking about flying dragon. I am not sure if I am familiar with that. All I know is trifoliate rootstock. Can you tell me about it?
Flying dragon is the common name for Poncirus trifoliate, also called trifoliate rootstock. The plant grows as a bush with numerous twisting, thorny branches and thus earned it's common name.
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You guys are talking about flying dragon. I am not sure if I am familiar with that. All I know is trifoliate rootstock. Can you tell me about it?
There are many types of trifoliate rootstocks. Flying Dragon is only one cultivar of them. Most trifoliate rootstocks have been hybridized. The Flying Dragon is the only one proven that have the best dwarfing effect while at the same time imparting excellent quality fruits.

If you want, I can dig out the various trifoliate rootstocks for you. I have one publication telling all about the various rootstocks tried for California. You can buy that book from UC Riverside publications. It shows various compatibility charts as well.
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Thanks Richard. So we are talking about the same thing.
When I see the trifoliate leaves of my rootstock in fact when some of my citrus have a watersprout below the graft line they are what I called trifoliate because the leaves are 3 separate leaves so from now on I can call them flying dragon. In fact I have a few clemenules grafted on them.
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What I graft today were:
6 scions of Dancy mandarin to an oroblanco
8 large fruiting calamondin to Joe's calamondin
2 seedless kishu to a trifoliate which grew below the graft of a satsuma mandarin
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6 scions of Dancy mandarin to an oroblanco
8 large fruiting calamondin to Joe's calamondin
2 seedless kishu to a trifoliate which grew below the graft of a satsuma mandarin
Great! The oroblanco should push the Dancy scions into quite a bit of production.
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Joe:
I didn't mean to ignore your nice gesture but to me to know more about the flying dragon is not necessary as Richard already answered what I all want to know.
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Great! The oroblanco should push the Dancy scions into quite a bit of production.
Richard, I'm surprised that the OB will do this in your area. Is the OB down there have good vigor as the other pummelo or grapefruit types? OB could be vigorous on Volkameriana rootstocks, but who would want a bland tasting OB?

Over here, the Oro Blanco is relatively a slow grower on citrange or Carrizo rootstock compared to other grapefruits in the same rootstocks, especially if kept in production. Mato Buntan, Chandler, Rio Star, and most other grapefruits have several times more vigor than OB's. That's how they performed in my yard, as well as EZ's yard.

Benny, how is the vigor of your OB compared to others? In my multi-graft, I'm sure glad I grafted the OB in the South Facing direction where it will never get shaded out. It is also a slow but productive grower.

I will be topworking a university professor's Ray Ruby grapefruit with Calamondins on the coming two weekends. Calamondins do well over grapefruits.
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