Welcome to the Bananas.org forums. You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. |
|
Register | Photo Gallery | Classifieds | Wiki | Chat | Map | Today's Posts | Search |
Banana Plant Soil, Additives, and Fertilizer This forum is an area where you may discuss the soil to grow banana plants in, as well as soil additives such as teas, composts, manures, fertilizers and related topics. |
Members currently in the chatroom: 0 | |
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009. No one is currently using the chat. |
Email this Page |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools |
09-03-2009, 03:40 PM | #21 (permalink) |
Banana brain
Location: Miami, FL
Zone: 10A
Name: Mario
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 298
BananaBucks
: 59,845
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 251 Times
Was
Thanked 348 Times in 139 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 4 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
That is alot of N, but I think you'll be fine. However, I'm no expert.
Now that you have a few recommendations, there is no harm in looking into other fertilizers. In some cases, it may even be cheaper. I get a 50lb bag of the 6-3-16 plus minors for under $20 from a local fertilizer plant. It's not the cheapest fertilizer you can find, but the best for the money in my opinion. That's the other thing.. try and search you local area for nurseries and/or fertilizer companies. The prices tend to be better than at the big retail store garden centers. The important thing to take from this is that bananas like fertilizers with about a 2:1:6 ratio. Examples: (Banana fuel 15-5-30 = 3:1:6 ratio, 6-3-16 = 2:1:5, MG 24-8-16 = 3:1:2). Am I making sense?..or am I making up a new science? I forgot to mention that I also apply extra potash every few months. Especially in the summer. So, a fertilizer like banana fuel would probably do away with that requirement. Last edited by supermario : 09-03-2009 at 03:43 PM. Reason: Forgot to mention additional Potash |
09-03-2009, 04:43 PM | #22 (permalink) |
tropical nut
Zone: 5
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,115
BananaBucks
: 337,777
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,946 Times
Was
Thanked 2,510 Times in 1,203 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 69 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
24-8-16 is what I use for my citrus. It's the perfect ratio of NPK for them. Citrus like more nitrogen & nanas like more potash (K).
Mario, you make perfect sense Before I found Banana Fuel, I used miracle grow tomato food. I forgot the exact ratio but it had more k.
__________________
Got a lite? Patty ____ Patty in Wisc has sadly passed away 9/05/11. We will miss you Patty. |
Said thanks: |
09-03-2009, 04:57 PM | #23 (permalink) |
Location: Pensacola, FL
Zone: 8/9
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,013
BananaBucks
: 65,677
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 177 Times
Was
Thanked 731 Times in 395 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 154 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
As for cheap fertilizer, I recently found a farmers Co-op nearby that sells bulk fertilizer. I had been buying 5# bags of ammonium sulfate for my blueberries at 4-5$, but I now have over 50 blueberry bushes and I needed to find it in bigger amounts. I was going to buy a 50# bag ($15) from the Co-op, but they were out--he said that they had some in bulk if I had something to put it in, so I told him I wanted 50#--it was a little over $7. They have all kinds of fertilizer in bulk and can mix up any ratio you want in larger quantities.
|
Said thanks: |
09-03-2009, 08:12 PM | #24 (permalink) |
un-Retired
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,674
BananaBucks
: 509,252
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,636 Times
Was
Thanked 12,543 Times in 4,721 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,685 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Great for ornamental bananas. The higher potash levels are desired by the fruiting varieties. I know that the U of F extension has one article describing 2:1:6 ratios but many of the other sources including the Yale banana expert on this site (inkcube) calls for 16:1:24, or more practically: 2:x:3 where x is smaller than 2.
__________________
Back in business at plantsthatproduce.com |
Said thanks: |
09-04-2009, 08:11 AM | #25 (permalink) |
Northern Tropics
Location: Muncie, Indiana zone 5
Zone: zone 5
Name: Sandy
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,718
BananaBucks
: 355,375
Feedback: 31 / 97%
Said "Thanks" 38 Times
Was
Thanked 1,801 Times in 682 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
24-8-16 is good summer food. use it during the warm months. for winter use very dilute 20-10-20, or 20-20-20. I often use 24-8-16 during the summer at 300 ppm, but 20-10-20 every third or fourth watering at 100ppm.
__________________
Sandy Burrell Northern Tropics Greenhouse 1501 East Fuson Road Muncie, IN 47302 www.northerntropics.com specializing in bananas, heirloom tomatoes and water gardening plants~ check out our new online store at our website! |
09-04-2009, 10:20 AM | #26 (permalink) | |
Banana Nut
Location: California Zone 9
Zone: 9
Name: Benny
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,058
BananaBucks
: 188,953
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 15 Times
Was
Thanked 1,415 Times in 653 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
Sandy: Please tell us again how do you compute 300ppm in terms in tspn/cup etc to add to your plant. I forgot. I think Richard posted this a long while ago.
__________________
Banana Nut |
|
09-04-2009, 12:57 PM | #27 (permalink) | |
un-Retired
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,674
BananaBucks
: 509,252
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,636 Times
Was
Thanked 12,543 Times in 4,721 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,685 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
The measurement must be done by weight of the specific water-soluble fertilizer. For 20-x-x at 100ppm Nitrogen, you need 0.0675 ounces weight per gallon of water. For 24-x-x at 300ppm Nitrogen, you need 0.1689 ounces weight per gallon of water.
__________________
Back in business at plantsthatproduce.com |
|
Said thanks: |
09-04-2009, 04:06 PM | #28 (permalink) | |
Banana brain
Location: Miami, FL
Zone: 10A
Name: Mario
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 298
BananaBucks
: 59,845
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 251 Times
Was
Thanked 348 Times in 139 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 4 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
Is there any reason why other sources recommend such a low phosphorus count? |
|
09-04-2009, 04:09 PM | #29 (permalink) | |
un-Retired
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,674
BananaBucks
: 509,252
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,636 Times
Was
Thanked 12,543 Times in 4,721 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,685 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
__________________
Back in business at plantsthatproduce.com |
|
Said thanks: |
09-04-2009, 04:13 PM | #30 (permalink) | |
Banana Nut
Location: California Zone 9
Zone: 9
Name: Benny
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,058
BananaBucks
: 188,953
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 15 Times
Was
Thanked 1,415 Times in 653 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
0.068 oz and 0.169 oz how is that in terms of teaspoonful?
__________________
Banana Nut |
|
09-04-2009, 04:33 PM | #31 (permalink) |
un-Retired
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,674
BananaBucks
: 509,252
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,636 Times
Was
Thanked 12,543 Times in 4,721 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,685 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Benny, you have to take your fertilizer and weigh it with say, a kitchen scale. Weigh one measuring cup of fertilizer and then weight the empty cup to get the actual weight. Whatever that weight is, divide by 48 to obtain the weight of 1 teaspoon, or divide by 16 to obtain the weight of 1 tablespoon.
__________________
Back in business at plantsthatproduce.com |
Said thanks: |
Sponsors |
09-04-2009, 05:24 PM | #32 (permalink) | |
Banana Nut
Location: California Zone 9
Zone: 9
Name: Benny
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,058
BananaBucks
: 188,953
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 15 Times
Was
Thanked 1,415 Times in 653 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
Thanks Richard.
__________________
Banana Nut |
|
09-08-2009, 03:09 PM | #33 (permalink) |
Got pink bananas?
Location: Little Rock, AR
Zone: 7b/8a Line
Name: Austin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,288
BananaBucks
: 162,387
Feedback: 13 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,590 Times
Was
Thanked 907 Times in 397 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 507 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
I bought some Lowe's Garden Select fertilizer yesterday for my bananas. I tried to find a high-low-high ratio. What do you think about 16-2-12? It's the closest to the recommended ratio that I could find in any local stores.
__________________
Austin Arkansas River Valley Average January Low: 31°F, Average August High: 92°F Extreme Winter Lows: 5-15°F, Extreme Summer Highs: 100-112°F, Annual Precipitation: 52 inches |
09-08-2009, 05:40 PM | #34 (permalink) |
Northern Tropics
Location: Muncie, Indiana zone 5
Zone: zone 5
Name: Sandy
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,718
BananaBucks
: 355,375
Feedback: 31 / 97%
Said "Thanks" 38 Times
Was
Thanked 1,801 Times in 682 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
I'm spoiled, I have fertilizer injectors that inject the fertilizer into the water at a ratio of 1:100, so to get 200 ppm, I just weigh up 13 ounces of my 20-20-20 and stir that into a gallon of water and the injector portions it out. So I'm not sure of the exact measurement you'd need for a gallon or two. it does take 13 ounces to do 100 gallons though, so .13 ounces would be for 1 gallon. The Plant marvel website says that 1 ounce is approximately 2 tablespoons and one cup is approximately one pound if that helps. Sounds like .13 ounces is about 1/7th of 2 tablespoons. For banana purposes, then that would be a little less than a teaspoon per gallon to get 200 ppm. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I think your average kitchen scale wouldn't be accurate enough for measuring that. My legal for trade scale I use at the farmers market won't get it on that small of an amount.
__________________
Sandy Burrell Northern Tropics Greenhouse 1501 East Fuson Road Muncie, IN 47302 www.northerntropics.com specializing in bananas, heirloom tomatoes and water gardening plants~ check out our new online store at our website! |
09-08-2009, 11:02 PM | #35 (permalink) |
un-Retired
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,674
BananaBucks
: 509,252
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,636 Times
Was
Thanked 12,543 Times in 4,721 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,685 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Good for ornamental bananas. For fruiting kind I would add a potassium supplement such as Sul-Po-Mag or Potassium Citrate.
__________________
Back in business at plantsthatproduce.com |
Sponsors |
09-08-2009, 11:09 PM | #36 (permalink) |
un-Retired
Location: Vista, CA
Zone: USDA 10b
Name: Richard
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 9,674
BananaBucks
: 509,252
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,636 Times
Was
Thanked 12,543 Times in 4,721 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,685 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
A strategy is to find a proportion that works for a small number of whole teaspoons (or tablespoons) and gallons. For example, to get 200ppm of Nitrogen from Scotts 15-5-15 +Cal,Mg you would use 5 teaspoons per 7 gallons of water.
__________________
Back in business at plantsthatproduce.com |
09-09-2009, 02:02 AM | #37 (permalink) |
Location: Lowestoft, UK
Zone: 8a
Name: James
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 766
BananaBucks
: 119,028
Feedback: 4 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 192 Times
Was
Thanked 799 Times in 373 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 71 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
I like the way everyone mixes up their measurements, ounces and gallons being an imperial or US measurement ppm (parts per million or mg per litre) being a metric measurement, could get confusing.
If you don't have the scales make up a stock solution and dilute it down everytime you want to feed. Saves all the "oooo it might half a teaspoon...oh no what size teaspoon" confusion. Or does it really have to be that accuate? |
Said thanks: |
09-09-2009, 06:23 AM | #38 (permalink) | |
Banana brain
Location: Miami, FL
Zone: 10A
Name: Mario
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 298
BananaBucks
: 59,845
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 251 Times
Was
Thanked 348 Times in 139 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 4 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
Do you have any nurseries nearby? If you do, you should ask them for a source of fertilizer. Alot of the time, you may find that you have somewhere nearby that has more selection at a fraction of the price. I did this a few years ago and now get my fertilizer from the same place most local nurseries do. I used to pay about $1/lb for some fertilizers, but now I don't pay anymore than $0.40/lb! |
|
09-09-2009, 08:56 AM | #39 (permalink) | |
Banana Nut
Location: California Zone 9
Zone: 9
Name: Benny
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,058
BananaBucks
: 188,953
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 15 Times
Was
Thanked 1,415 Times in 653 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
Quote:
__________________
Banana Nut |
|
09-13-2009, 04:11 PM | #40 (permalink) |
Location: Connecticut
Zone: 7
Name: Steve
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 194
BananaBucks
: 98,336
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 84 Times
Was
Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
|
Re: Miracle Gro all purpose plant food
is it ok if i use about a 1 tsp of dry miracle gro plant food and then water it or is 1 tsp not ok to use
|
Said thanks: |
Email this Page |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
AZ41 - multi-purpose spray | harveyc | Banana Plant Soil, Additives, and Fertilizer | 175 | 09-05-2012 06:55 PM |
Miracle fruit?s | hydrojeff | Other Plants | 24 | 02-20-2009 12:26 PM |
What Is The Purpose Of...? | coolrobby2003 | Other Plants | 3 | 11-21-2008 10:03 AM |
Is itenerans the next "miracle" banana? | nucci60 | Cold Hardy Bananas | 4 | 07-23-2007 09:31 PM |
banana food | redtail_2006 | Cold Hardy Bananas | 0 | 05-11-2007 11:27 AM |