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Old 03-23-2009, 11:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Our member Joe Real is working with a friend in distributing this product in the U.S. I bought a sample in January and just started using it. Benny has been using it a bit longer and made some very positive comments in his "what did you graft today" thread.

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I may do an informal trial with some of my TC plants to arrive from Richard soon.

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Oh, boy!! I am sold on this one!
I've been using SO many insecticides, fungicides,soaps and oils in the past and none, I repeat none is as effective as this one.
As to date, I don't see a single aphid, and powdery mildew in my apples and citrus.
Joe, told me when I bought a gallon from him 3 weeks ago, that will supply me for the whole year!!
But last week I bought another gallon for one as reserve. Because I've seen it works!!!!
It is the first time in my life I am 100% satisfied.
It is also the first time I've been able to grow a very healthy rose. Gosh, the leaves are so clean and free from blemishes and so green. I just planted it Jan or Feb bare root and now it is full of leaves and each branch has a flower bud.
I had given up growing roses long time ago. It's good that Home depot had a 50% reduction on their bare roots I was tempted to buy.
At this time when the white and green aphids are prolific distorting the leaves of my plants, this time I can not find any.
I've been inspecting my matured Fuji and citrus and I don't see a single aphids on the new buds. And there are millions of them sprouting.
At this time of the year, year after year, the powdery mildew attack my fujis distorting practically every leaf.
But now, I don't see a single leaf contaminated by powdery mildew.
So is my Italian prunes. Every year it was attacked by aphids, all the leaves turned black and fell off and I never got any descent harvest. Now, I don't see a single leaf infested. All are green and full of healthy flowers.
I can go on and on but I am just happy I got it.
If I'll give a grade to it I'd give it an A+
The rest are failing marks.
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I'm looking for something to spray in all my garden, lawn and drive way areas to kill adult fleas and flea larvae. Would this work for that?
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Joe hasn't mentioned that to me, but I'll let him know about this thread I started and he can address it to the extent he is able.
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I also contacted the company directly with the question. We'll see what they say.
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I'm looking for something to spray in all my garden, lawn and drive way areas to kill adult fleas and flea larvae. Would this work for that?
Hi Momoese!

We don't have specific studies with respect to fleas. The only way to find out right now is to try it on your garden.AZ41 is registered as an organic foliar fertilizer blend both with the USDA and CDFA.

As to its insecticidal, nematicidal, and fungicidal properties, we cannot claim them and put into writing. You can, however, look at other testimonials and reports by other users of the product as to what properties they have observed, and you can try it and see for yourself.

AZ41 is meant to be used as foliar fertilizer and so you apply them regularly. It will make your plants very healthy along with some of your current nutrition and protection program. If you use AZ41 early in the season during the start of the growth flushes, it tremendously help produce clean, healthy crops, and you will have more blemish-free products, from vegetables to fruits to roses. It is excellent to use on bananas.

It is indeed very effective and would be excellent for a lot of hobbyists with indoor and outdoor plants and many farmers who pioneered testing the products are repeat customers.

The AZ41 product is made from 100% plant extracts, no part of it is toxic to humans when used as directed. It is made from melaleuca, aloe vera and citrus peels. It is a very efficient foliar fertilizer supplement that has macro and micro nutrients, vitamins and hormones, polysaccharides, saponins, acetylmannan, etc.

If product is this good, I might as well suggest it for use by hobbyists, and I am helping the company steer into the direction of supporting the hobbyists as well. The company used to sell only to farmers, and the minimum order is 100 bottles (which is $5,000 delivered). Now I got the board to let hobbyists access this product as well and will be supporting more in that direction with smaller bottles geared for hobbyists and home growers. We will have better directions on its usage pretty soon in our brochures. Most of our existing directions of use are amount per acre and bottles per 500 gallon tanks! Being a fellow member in this forum, I am requesting our board to approve some promotional code sometime to give fellow members here nice discounts when they order the products. But it could take a couple of months before approval and implementation.

We don't want you take my word for all of this, as I used to be very skeptical of this product and have tested it myself heavily in various trials all over major continents, and am encouraging fellow forum members here to have an open mind to test it themselves.

Here's some information about this product: AZ Agri Products Corporation - Home

And here's our company's official website: Greener Earth Tech, Inc


Shoot me a PM for those interested to try the smaller bottle version of the product as the smaller bottles are not yet published for sale nor has been approved by the board.


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Thanks Joe, I replied to your email.
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Joe- As many of my nanas are planted around my pond which contains fish and hardy and tropical plants, what is the effect on aquatics? I noted it has copper in it, which worried me about spraying near the pond. Thanks.
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The website store lists $49.95 for a two-liter bottle. This is a ridiculous price. I can obtain a surprisingly equivalent product from Grow More and sell it for $10.85 with a 100% profit.
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The website store lists $49.95 for a two-liter bottle. This is a ridiculous price. I can obtain a surprisingly equivalent product from Grow More and sell it for $10.85 with a 100% profit.
Richard,

Unlike Grow More products, we are not selling and shipping a lot of water, but super concentrate. One 8-ounce bottle will make 32 gallons. And our 2-liter bottle would make anywhere from 250 to 1,000 gallons mixture. Depending on crop and timing of application.

The price per bottle of the product doesn't count at all. How does it affect your bottom line and your health is what counts. Wow much do you spend all in all when you use the product, how much you will save by eliminating the other products, and how much will you get from additional yield and better prices for better quality products. And based on that, you can decide if you will become a repeat customer.

Many farms have various needs, different situations, different local problems. The typical product cost of AZ41 application could be as low as $5/acre, as an additive to their existing spray program. Total application cost would be between $10 to $300 per acre depending on type of crop and problems, but it would save the farmers their health which is priceless, and the use of expensive toxic chemicals which can run anywhere from $150 to $1,500 per acre with no added yield benefits, only to maintain yield or close to it.

For example, one of the pioneering farmers in Caruthers have improved yield of 25% on the average and he got better prices for better quality raisins when using this product. Although he spent $3,000 on AZ41 for the 40 acre farm, he saved $12,000 by not buying most of the toxic chemicals that he normally uses, and his added income came to be about $24,000 from the 40 acre farm. He's been a very loyal customer and is spreading the word to other farmers and especially to other member growers going into the same packing facility as they were surprised at the excellent quality of his raisins. He has completed CCOF certification and would be able to sell his raisin grapes as organic product for a much better price next year.

We know that local mileage could vary. The best way is to test the product and follow closely how it is to be used and tested even in small scale and try to see if you get the direct crop benefits. Then weigh it together with how safe the product is to you, to the environment and to the consumer of your produce.

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Joe- As many of my nanas are planted around my pond which contains fish and hardy and tropical plants, what is the effect on aquatics? I noted it has copper in it, which worried me about spraying near the pond. Thanks.
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We noted that it is INCOMPATIBLE with copper-based products and AZ41 itself has no significant amount of copper to cause havoc on aquatic life. AZ41 has only trace contents in the ppm region, then you dilute it 250 to 1000 times . We have other products specifically for aquatic ponds with fishes, but that will come later after we have finished running through the hoops of registration.

We recommend NOT to mix any copper containing product during the spraying because it can render both products, AZ41 and the copper-based product, ineffective.

One excellent property of AZ41 is that it has sticker properties because of its saponnins, a natural surfactant that breaks the surface tension of water and is able to wet even between the "hairs" of tomatoes and eggplants. Having a sticker property, you can mix it with other foliar fertilizers at the same time and there is no need for you to add sticker chemicals. It will then be absorbed by the plants quickly, like if you apply them 2 to 4 hours ahead of the rain, and the plant stomates are open, then, even if it rains afterwards, there is no need to worry as it has been absorbed, together with the foliar fertilizers that you mix together with it.

Most foliar fertilizers have only traces of copper, so it is not a problem mixing with other foliar fertilizers. What AZ41 is incompatible with are copper hydroxide such as Kocide, and copper sulfate such as those of the blue-colored fungicides. It would render the solution ineffective if you mix them together.

Copper based products are also known to cause fatal reactions on sheep. Copper sulfate for example are generally safe for humans and mammals, and I regularly swim in it in most swimming pools, but the copper are not good for sheeps and aquatic vegetation. AZ41 when used as directed has only very few traces of copper, equal to that normally found in the environment.


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I'd be glad to compare its performance with Grow More. The ridiculous price is because it is a super-concentrate where the dilution ranged from 1:250 to 1:1000 depending on crop and timing of application.
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I was going on the concentration listed here: http://www.greenerearthtech.com/cmsm...alysisaz41.pdf
Is it the same in the two-liter product?
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Richard, instead of just making a comment without any supporting information, it would be much helpful to others if you'd provide a link to the Grow More you're speaking of.
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Oh, and at least some general field trial information would also be very useful for a meaningful comparison, as well as any personal experiences.

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Harvey,

The only thing I'm comparing to is the product specifications listed here:
http://www.greenerearthtech.com/cmsm...alysisaz41.pdf
As you know, fertilizer manufacturers have traditional retail products they sell to the public but for the Ag industry: they have several sets of base, conditioning, nutrient, and pesticide packages which can be combined to meet a particular agricultural or product need. These custom combinations are typically sold high-volume containers unless the order is in large enough quantities to merit bottling it in smaller (e.g., gallon, 2-liter, quart) sizes. So for example, the exotic liquid fertilizers that pot farmers buy are really just re-packaged Grow More or Scotts products at an exorbitant price.
Looking at the analysis of AZ41, I see this can be met with 2 base packages plus 2 nutrient packages currently available from Grow More and probably several other manufacturers.
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I was going on the concentration listed here: http://www.greenerearthtech.com/cmsm...alysisaz41.pdf
Is it the same in the two-liter product?
The guaranteed analysis is required by the USDA for all foliar fertilizers. So it is a report format that does no justice if you will use AZ41 based on that analysis alone for the entire crop's nutrition program. That's the analysis of the concentrate. The major ingredients are Melaleuca oil, Aloe vera gel extracts, and Citrus peels. Plus just the smallest amount of deionized water needed to make the product 100% water soluble when mixed. Most of the macro, micro, and phytonutrients come from the Aloe vera extracts, and we know very well that oils from Melaleuca and citrus peels has practically no nutrient value, but it has the antifungal, antimicrobial, nematicidal, and insecticidal properties. The oils also keeps the fruits and leaves clean and shiny. The Aloe vera extracts contain the macro and micronutrients, vitamins, acetylmannan and other phytohormones that enhances the plant's resistance to pests and diseases. The Aloe vera gel also has saponnins that gives it a sticker property to enable mixing with other foliar fertilizers without needing to use sticker chemicals.

We recommend the use of AZ41 along with your normal nutrition program, like mixing with your regular foliar fertilizers, and then forego the application of all nematicides, fungicides and insecticides. Sometimes, if the soil is naturally rich and will require only AZ41. AZ41 encourages fertilizer use efficiency, provides vitamins and phytohormones to make better use of what nutrients your plant gets. It also boosts the plant resistance to diseases and insect damages.

When we work with farmers who have several thousand acre farm land, we provide free technical services to help them with their nutrition and crop protection program. These are the farmers who order thousand bottles per year. And we send over botanists and agriculturists to talk with their counterparts in the farm. We conduct side by side trials if they are skeptical at first. Then we help them troubleshoot as some problems come up.

We are working with a Napa grape wine grower and have very nice initial results. There was no need for him to apply fertilizer, we send our team to diagnose his fields and make recommendations on how to adjust the nutrition program. The complete eradication of sulfur-based and copper-based fungicides reduces formation of H2S in wine making, giving back the natural grape aroma without some rotten smell from sulfur.

It was my work with these farmers last year and along with the wonderful technical team of Greener Earth Tech that I convinced the company to extend its arms towards the hobbyists, as I know it would be useful for the likes of us, being a hobbyist myself.

So to use AZ41, consider what it all does in totality and how it improves the bottom line of the farmers, and we usually talk about costing.

Due to AZ41's imparting of Systemic Acquired Resistance (SAR), we are now working on a derivative product that will synergistically increase the effects of SAR to help combat the dreaded Greening diseases of citruses. We will be marketing it as AZGreen, and we have very promising results of AZGreen in a few Greening disease infested areas. The approach is two fold, one is that it kills the insect vectors (Asian Citrus Psyllids) on contact, and the other is that it tremendously boosts the plant's ability to cope up with the disease even if it has been infected and producing normal fruits, or prevents the disease from setting in because of its boosted immune system.

Anyway, we aim to provide toxic-free methodologies to combat both insect pests and diseases while help improve plant nutrition.

The general idea is that most tropical plants are bombarded with year-round diseases and insect pressure. If a product works in the tropical areas, it should work better elsewhere. We have been extracting many types of plant chemicals from the healthiest tropical plants which normally have built those resistances naturally while in the tropics thriving under such heavy selection pressures, and then use those extracts on other crop plants. We try to avoid the use of synthetic chemicals which although might be approved by the FDA based on the short term required tests, but whose long term effects are unknown.

Our product is a new type which is being positioned right now as foliar blend, a fertilizer supplement due to stringent requirements of other categories, but it has excellent side effects on the other categories, rivaling the results of conventional toxic chemicals. It is not the sole source of nutrition but with it you will have enhanced use of your fertilizers in your existing nutrition program and as a big bonus, you can have insect pests, nematodes and disease protections, and can let go of those toxic chemicals. And as foliar blend, it provides some nutrition in the form of macro and micronutrients. It has hormones, amino acids and other nutrition enhancers.

In some cases, it enhances root and bud formation. In sugarcane for example, it enhances formation of buds when planting sugar cane. Just dip the canes to cover it with the diluted solution, and when you plant, it doubles the amount of cane buds that come out of the planting. It also helps rooting of grape, pomegranate, citrus and rose cuttings. But in itself AZ41 has only a mild rooting hormone property, so it is not a complete substitute for root hormones, but it can improve the rooting compared to just sticking the cuttings into the soil. I dip my scionwood in the diluted AZ41 before I do the grafting and it helps in the take. Banana corms should respond well by dipping into the solution before planting them. Watering the banana roots with the product should help alleviate root associated problems with bananas. It also helps skin eczema, and a nice liquid soap or shampoo for those other fanatic users of ours, due to its melaleuca and Aloe vera extracts.

Some of our growers have been combining our product with Multi-fix, which makes it the best combo to use on strawberries and other vegetables. Of course, there are other foliar products you can mix it with to give you total crop nutrition and crop protection.

If the crop fertilizers are applied basally, then AZ41 will help the uptake if some of it is also applied through the drip lines.

We had other people try to mix together extracts of Melaleuca, citrus peels and Aloe vera but they were not effective. We have a patented process of extraction and mixing which results in 100% water solubility and the discovered enhance properties I have mentioned above based on world wide trials on farmer's fields.

Perhaps our closest competitor would be Timorex, a melaleuca oil-based product that is developed and marketed by an Israeli company. And we are priced competitively with that product. It is also used on organically grown bananas in Southern American countries. That will be our next target once we are done with our OMRI certification.

Most importantly, compared to other total packages, ours will provide a gateway for farmers to convert from conventional farming to organic farming. Right now, we can compete head-on with conventional inputs that will allow farmers to produce completely pesticide-free produce that are blemish-free, such as squeakingly-clean fresh grapes. The pesticide free product is a big step as that alone will help us get rid of the many toxic chemicals constantly sprayed to keep the crops appealing. In fact, from my own opinion, I can live with conventional fertilizers but not with any synthetic pesticides, fungicides, nematicides and other chemical inputs.

It used to be that only synthetic chemicals can be used to produce blemish-free crops, and usually, organic products are generally non-appealing when it comes to looks of the farmers' products. Now, blemish-free appealing crops that are toxic-free and pesticide-free residues, from the grower to the the consumer, are made possible with AZ41 and our other upcoming products. Safe for the applicator, the farmer, and the ultimate consumer. We can spray AZ41 on lettuce for example, and you can eat the lettuce right away without worry. You can spray an entire field or your yard, and enjoy the citrus-scented aroma of the spray without fear of toxic chemicals entering your body. And to be rewarded with mostly blemish-free crops, this would take organic growing to the next level of producing appealing crops, with an excellent arsenal up their sleeves. CCOF (Organic Directory - CCOF: Organic Certification, Trade Association, Organic Education, and Political Advocacy since 1973 ) has approved organic farmers even if they use our products, but we still have to do OMRI certification for automatic classification. It is in the works, and should pass easily with flying colors because none of our ingredients are synthetic and none are toxic. Most importantly, you don't need to go organic to use our product, but it will provide you an excellent option to convert over. AZ41 can be used for the current conventional growing but make your products cleaner, free from man-made patented chemicals that are often toxic, carcinogenic and other unknown long-term effects on human health and the environment.



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Old 03-23-2009, 11:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The guaranteed analysis is required by the USDA for all foliar fertilizers. So it is a report format that does no justice if you will use AZ41 based on that analysis alone for the entire crop's nutrition program. That's the analysis of the concentrate.
O.K., thanks! Although, I think it speaks in a very positive way of the product.
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Richard, your comparison is still a phantom one without seeing the products you are referring to as well as how they have performed when used as prescribed. I'm interested in giving AZ41 a try but might also be willing to try some other products that are available.

If there are slight differences in the products the difference in performance can still be significant, thus it would be good to carry out a trial to compare the products. I read somewhere on the Green Earth Tech site about a huge decrease in plant (pineapple?) losses by a commercial grower and even at this retail price I suspect they would not consider the price of the product to be "ridiculous" or high. Performance is what counts.

To be honest, I think your comment about the pricing AZ41 being "ridiculous" is very inappropriate as you have no experience with the product on which to base such a statement.
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Harvey,

I'm not making a comparison. I am stating that the product can be made cheaper. The ingredients are available in bulk from refineries of terrestrial and oceanic plants. Perhaps it is the case that Grow More buys these in larger quantities and hence cheaper. Use the information as you wish.
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I can't use the information as I wish because you're not giving us a link to the Grow More products as I asked.

When you stated "I can obtain a surprisingly equivalent product" you are making a comparison. How similar is the product you're talking about? We have no way of knowing without more information.

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