OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! - Page 4

Randy4ut · 11-04-2007, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff tn

I have about 50 sabal minor seeds for you.Picked them for you yesterday.Will mail to you this week.Arkansas pays a visit this week.You know what that means.

Hello neighbor!!!
E-mail me your address and I will send out the velutina seeds I have been saving for ya. As far as TN Vols go, hey, it was fun being on top of the SEC East while it lasted!!!
Randy

AllenF · 11-07-2007, 03:36 PM

Randy;
I got about 140 seeds this morning. Thank you again.

This time I am going to try the following:
about 17 seeds-moist pre-chilled(3 weeks fridge)/soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite
** pre-chill is now 8 weeks**
about 17 seeds- pre-chilled/soaked 3 days/moist unsterile potting soil

17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist vermiculite

17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist potting soil

17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite

17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist potting soil

17 seeds-moist vermiculite

17 seeds-moist potting soil.

All will be given variable heat 12 hrs/12hrs getting as close to 12* C/ 35* C (45* F/ 90* F) as I can get.
** heat is 15/9 hrs and 33 C/20 C**
I look forward to greater success than last year.

Allen

Randy4ut · 11-15-2007, 08:07 AM

Hey all,
I finally had to give a few seeds a try myself. They have been started for only about a week now, but I will let you know how it goes. I only tried about 12 seeds. Anyway, I just happened to think, has anyone tried cold stratification with any of the seeds? I happened to remember last year, after I sent out the first group of seeds that I put the remaining ones in my refrigerator until about the end of January. That would have been about 2-3 months in the fridge before I got them out and gave them away and potted a few up as a trial. I had about 4 germinate from about 10 seeds. More would have probably germinated, but I did not wait to see. I simply wanted to make sure the seeds were viable.
This was just a thought and wanted to throw it out there if anyone had any left to try this with. Don't forget to keep this thread alive when you have results to share...
Take care all,
Randy

the flying dutchman · 11-15-2007, 05:37 PM

I'll keep you informed Randy

Nothing here yet.

Ron

Dean W. · 11-15-2007, 07:26 PM

Randy,

Still patiently waiting for any sign of life.

Dean

magicgreen · 11-16-2007, 08:34 AM

iam still watching and waiting also. magicgreen

AllenF · 11-16-2007, 10:42 AM

I have had no results yet excluding having a 'weed' germinate in one of the unsterile baggies.

I have decided to extend the pre-chill period to 8 weeks.

My variable heat will be 15hrs/9hrs with temperatures of 33 C/20 C.

Allen

klemmthamm · 11-16-2007, 10:55 AM

not a thing yet (as far as sprouts go)... however I have noticed that some have started to swell... at least I think I am not imagining it.... you never know with me though.

Bananaman88 · 11-16-2007, 12:53 PM

Randy,

I have some velutina seeds that I planted fresh from the plant back in the spring that still have not sprouted. The rest I put in the freezer. Maybe I should try some of them this spring. I STILL have 6 M. sikkimenisis seeds that were sown back in Feb. after soaking in water for 24 hours...still nothing. Both the velutina and sikkimensis seeds are outside in pots and will remain so through winter. Hopefully there will be some sign of activity next spring.

Dean W. · 11-16-2007, 01:59 PM

Does anyone no where velutinas originate from? Maybe, the climatic conditions of that geographic area could help us some.

Dean

Banana_Bill · 11-16-2007, 03:32 PM

I check everyday, but still no sign of life. I still have a few seed left, I think I might try a cold stratification.

AllenF · 11-16-2007, 04:52 PM

The M. velutina is from the state of Assam in North East India. It is probably the same banana as M. dasycarpa Kurz.

Assam is one of the larger states and covers a variety of climate conditions. N. central Assam produces Sugar Cane while North East Assam produces oil seeds and rice. The average temperature in August is 84 F/29 C and in January is 61 F/16 C. There is no hot dry summer season.

I just found an article on rhodoclamys varieties of Musa. The maps from the late 1800s seem quite a bit different in comparison with current maps. I'll post more later.

Allen

AllenF · 11-16-2007, 05:45 PM

With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India.

This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter.

As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before.

Allen

Randy4ut · 11-16-2007, 07:47 PM

Allen,
That is very interesting information. If you can, would it be possible to either post the link to this information. I would like to learn more about the origins of the velutina. Thanks for sharing the info you gave us thus far...
Randy

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenF

With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India.

This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter.

As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before.

Allen

AllenF · 11-16-2007, 08:47 PM

Here are some of the websites that I looked at to get the info.
"www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mvelutina.htm" for plant history

"bananas.bioversityinternational.org/files/files/pdf/publications/focusen_rhodochlampys.pdf" for subspecies info

"www.mapsofindia.com" to find out information on the states of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh

Googling Musa velutina/ Musa dasycarpa Kurz/ Assam India also found a number of other sites that were less helpful.

Allen

Randy4ut · 11-16-2007, 09:37 PM

Allen,
Thanks so much for sharing your information that you gathered. I am sure it will make for some interesting reading.... Take care

Dean W. · 11-17-2007, 12:40 PM

Allen,

Thanks for sharing the information. That would give some credence to cold stratification.

Dean

BGreen · 11-18-2007, 02:41 PM

Update!

I had about 50% of the seeds (12 seeds) of location 1 group 2 germinate!
These where nonscarified and in the terrarium. They were in a plastic bag and places in a moist paper towel.
These seeds have temps ranging from 80F-85F during the day, and cool off to mid 60's at night. They receive light from overhead for 14hrs, and they get sun through a window in the morning that helps heat the tank.

No other seeds show any sign of life. All the scarified seeds keep trying to mold over, from both locations, so I believe scarification is unnecessary and causes more problems than it's helps.

Randy4ut · 11-18-2007, 03:39 PM

Go BGreen, it's your birthday!!!! it's your birthday!!! However, it goes, that is whay my 6 year old says with a little dance when she sees my hyped about something... Anyway, that is way too cool!!! Sure hope everyone that is in on this little trial, sees this. I am just glad to see that someone is having success...
How long did it take til germination? Thanks so much for the update...
Randy

mskitty38583 · 11-18-2007, 06:58 PM

THAT IS TOO KOOL!

. randy4ut, the lil nanna is doing the dance for "its your birthday"

11-07-2007, 03:36 PM	#62 (permalink)
AllenF Junior Member AllenF's Photo Gallery Location: Edmonton, Alberta Find me on the map! Zone: 3a Name: Allen Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 151 BananaBucks : 43,104 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 22 Times Was Thanked 38 Times in 35 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Randy; I got about 140 seeds this morning. Thank you again. This time I am going to try the following: about 17 seeds-moist pre-chilled(3 weeks fridge)/soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite pre-chill is now 8 weeks about 17 seeds- pre-chilled/soaked 3 days/moist unsterile potting soil 17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist vermiculite 17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist potting soil 17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite 17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist potting soil 17 seeds-moist vermiculite 17 seeds-moist potting soil. All will be given variable heat 12 hrs/12hrs getting as close to 12* C/ 35* C (45* F/ 90* F) as I can get. heat is 15/9 hrs and 33 C/20 C I look forward to greater success than last year. Allen __________________ You don't have to be crazy to grow Bananas in Alberta, but it helps Last edited by AllenF : 11-16-2007 at 10:48 AM.

11-15-2007, 08:07 AM	#63 (permalink)
Randy4ut Randy4ut's Photo Gallery Find me on the map! Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,387 BananaBucks : 241,893 Feedback: 23 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,051 Times Was Thanked 1,324 Times in 444 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 87 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Hey all, I finally had to give a few seeds a try myself. They have been started for only about a week now, but I will let you know how it goes. I only tried about 12 seeds. Anyway, I just happened to think, has anyone tried cold stratification with any of the seeds? I happened to remember last year, after I sent out the first group of seeds that I put the remaining ones in my refrigerator until about the end of January. That would have been about 2-3 months in the fridge before I got them out and gave them away and potted a few up as a trial. I had about 4 germinate from about 10 seeds. More would have probably germinated, but I did not wait to see. I simply wanted to make sure the seeds were viable. This was just a thought and wanted to throw it out there if anyone had any left to try this with. Don't forget to keep this thread alive when you have results to share... Take care all, Randy __________________ Last edited by Randy4ut : 11-15-2007 at 08:25 PM.

11-15-2007, 05:37 PM	#64 (permalink)
the flying dutchman the flying dutchman's Photo Gallery Location: HOLLAND Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Ron Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,031 BananaBucks : 162,344 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 48 Times Was Thanked 244 Times in 148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! I'll keep you informed Randy Nothing here yet. Ron

11-15-2007, 07:26 PM	#65 (permalink)
Dean W. Dean W.'s Photo Gallery Location: Cedar Park, TX Zone: 8b Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,279 BananaBucks : 295,384 Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,325 Times Was Thanked 2,130 Times in 972 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 300 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Randy, Still patiently waiting for any sign of life. Dean __________________

11-16-2007, 08:34 AM	#66 (permalink)
magicgreen magicgreen's Photo Gallery Location: cincinnati OH. Z6 Find me on the map! Zone: Z6 Name: Lynn Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 840 BananaBucks : 29,961 Feedback: 8 / 100% Said "Thanks" 422 Times Was Thanked 208 Times in 141 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 124 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! iam still watching and waiting also. magicgreen __________________ (Started growing bananas July 2007) (Zone 6)

Members currently in the chatroom: 0
	The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009. No one is currently using the chat.

11-16-2007, 10:42 AM	#67 (permalink)
AllenF Junior Member AllenF's Photo Gallery Location: Edmonton, Alberta Find me on the map! Zone: 3a Name: Allen Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 151 BananaBucks : 43,104 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 22 Times Was Thanked 38 Times in 35 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! I have had no results yet excluding having a 'weed' germinate in one of the unsterile baggies. I have decided to extend the pre-chill period to 8 weeks. My variable heat will be 15hrs/9hrs with temperatures of 33 C/20 C. Allen __________________ You don't have to be crazy to grow Bananas in Alberta, but it helps Last edited by AllenF : 11-16-2007 at 10:49 AM.

11-16-2007, 10:55 AM	#68 (permalink)
klemmthamm New lemony fresh scent! klemmthamm's Photo Gallery Location: N.E. Oklahoma Find me on the map! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 293 BananaBucks : 31,385 Feedback: 9 / 100% Said "Thanks" 32 Times Was Thanked 61 Times in 37 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! not a thing yet (as far as sprouts go)... however I have noticed that some have started to swell... at least I think I am not imagining it.... you never know with me though. __________________ "No sir we don't have quotas anymore. We used to have quotas but now we're allowed to write as many tickets as we want." - Unknown officer

11-16-2007, 12:53 PM	#69 (permalink)
Bananaman88 Bananaculturist Bananaman88's Photo Gallery Location: Houston, TX area Find me on the map! Zone: 9 Name: Brent Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,019 BananaBucks : 300,550 Feedback: 22 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,339 Times Was Thanked 2,263 Times in 1,178 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 191 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Randy, I have some velutina seeds that I planted fresh from the plant back in the spring that still have not sprouted. The rest I put in the freezer. Maybe I should try some of them this spring. I STILL have 6 M. sikkimenisis seeds that were sown back in Feb. after soaking in water for 24 hours...still nothing. Both the velutina and sikkimensis seeds are outside in pots and will remain so through winter. Hopefully there will be some sign of activity next spring.

11-16-2007, 01:59 PM	#70 (permalink)
Dean W. Dean W.'s Photo Gallery Location: Cedar Park, TX Zone: 8b Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,279 BananaBucks : 295,384 Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,325 Times Was Thanked 2,130 Times in 972 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 300 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Does anyone no where velutinas originate from? Maybe, the climatic conditions of that geographic area could help us some. Dean __________________

11-16-2007, 03:32 PM	#71 (permalink)
Banana_Bill Banana_Bill's Photo Gallery Location: NJ Zone: 7a Name: Bill Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 19 BananaBucks : 1,786 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 2 Times Was Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! I check everyday, but still no sign of life. I still have a few seed left, I think I might try a cold stratification.

11-16-2007, 04:52 PM	#72 (permalink)
AllenF Junior Member AllenF's Photo Gallery Location: Edmonton, Alberta Find me on the map! Zone: 3a Name: Allen Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 151 BananaBucks : 43,104 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 22 Times Was Thanked 38 Times in 35 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! The M. velutina is from the state of Assam in North East India. It is probably the same banana as M. dasycarpa Kurz. Assam is one of the larger states and covers a variety of climate conditions. N. central Assam produces Sugar Cane while North East Assam produces oil seeds and rice. The average temperature in August is 84 F/29 C and in January is 61 F/16 C. There is no hot dry summer season. I just found an article on rhodoclamys varieties of Musa. The maps from the late 1800s seem quite a bit different in comparison with current maps. I'll post more later. Allen __________________ You don't have to be crazy to grow Bananas in Alberta, but it helps

11-16-2007, 05:45 PM	#73 (permalink)
AllenF Junior Member AllenF's Photo Gallery Location: Edmonton, Alberta Find me on the map! Zone: 3a Name: Allen Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 151 BananaBucks : 43,104 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 22 Times Was Thanked 38 Times in 35 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India. This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter. As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before. Allen __________________ You don't have to be crazy to grow Bananas in Alberta, but it helps

11-16-2007, 08:47 PM	#75 (permalink)
AllenF Junior Member AllenF's Photo Gallery Location: Edmonton, Alberta Find me on the map! Zone: 3a Name: Allen Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 151 BananaBucks : 43,104 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 22 Times Was Thanked 38 Times in 35 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Here are some of the websites that I looked at to get the info. "www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mvelutina.htm" for plant history "bananas.bioversityinternational.org/files/files/pdf/publications/focusen_rhodochlampys.pdf" for subspecies info "www.mapsofindia.com" to find out information on the states of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh Googling Musa velutina/ Musa dasycarpa Kurz/ Assam India also found a number of other sites that were less helpful. Allen __________________ You don't have to be crazy to grow Bananas in Alberta, but it helps

11-16-2007, 09:37 PM	#76 (permalink)
Randy4ut Randy4ut's Photo Gallery Find me on the map! Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,387 BananaBucks : 241,893 Feedback: 23 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,051 Times Was Thanked 1,324 Times in 444 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 87 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Allen, Thanks so much for sharing your information that you gathered. I am sure it will make for some interesting reading.... Take care __________________

11-17-2007, 12:40 PM	#77 (permalink)
Dean W. Dean W.'s Photo Gallery Location: Cedar Park, TX Zone: 8b Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,279 BananaBucks : 295,384 Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,325 Times Was Thanked 2,130 Times in 972 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 300 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Allen, Thanks for sharing the information. That would give some credence to cold stratification. Dean __________________

11-18-2007, 02:41 PM	#78 (permalink)
BGreen Digger Extraordinaire BGreen's Photo Gallery Location: Kansas Find me on the map! Zone: Zone 5b/6a Name: Ben Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 296 BananaBucks : 158,527 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 19 Times Was Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Update! I had about 50% of the seeds (12 seeds) of location 1 group 2 germinate! These where nonscarified and in the terrarium. They were in a plastic bag and places in a moist paper towel. These seeds have temps ranging from 80F-85F during the day, and cool off to mid 60's at night. They receive light from overhead for 14hrs, and they get sun through a window in the morning that helps heat the tank. No other seeds show any sign of life. All the scarified seeds keep trying to mold over, from both locations, so I believe scarification is unnecessary and causes more problems than it's helps. __________________ Take care, BGreen

11-18-2007, 03:39 PM	#79 (permalink)
Randy4ut Randy4ut's Photo Gallery Find me on the map! Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,387 BananaBucks : 241,893 Feedback: 23 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,051 Times Was Thanked 1,324 Times in 444 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 87 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! Go BGreen, it's your birthday!!!! it's your birthday!!! However, it goes, that is whay my 6 year old says with a little dance when she sees my hyped about something... Anyway, that is way too cool!!! Sure hope everyone that is in on this little trial, sees this. I am just glad to see that someone is having success... How long did it take til germination? Thanks so much for the update... Randy __________________

11-18-2007, 06:58 PM	#80 (permalink)
mskitty38583 banana junkie mskitty38583 's Photo Gallery Location: north carolina Find me on the map! Zone: 7b Name: mskitty Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,071 BananaBucks : 296,754 Feedback: 26 / 100% Said "Thanks" 82 Times Was Thanked 890 Times in 617 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 136 Times	Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!! THAT IS TOO KOOL! . randy4ut, the lil nanna is doing the dance for "its your birthday" __________________ WELCOME TO THE GATOR NATION

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Musa velutina seeds...	Randy4ut	Banana Plants For Sale & Auction	15	10-31-2007 09:20 AM
D.Brazilian Ready	NANAMAN	Main Banana Discussion	7	06-11-2007 01:02 AM
Musa velutina seeds for trade...	Randy4ut	Banana Plants For Sale & Auction	1	10-26-2006 03:36 PM
Have 15-20 Velutina seeds, looking for ginger, heliconia, or etc	MediaHound	Banana Plants For Sale & Auction	1	10-14-2006 02:27 PM
I have some Velutina seeds (pink banana) to trade	MediaHound	Banana Plants For Sale & Auction	1	10-05-2005 01:05 PM