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Banana Seed Germination Forum As one of the toughest seeds in the plant kingdom to figure out the keys to germination success with, this is a forum with banana seed germination tips. Please entitle posts like "Musa balbisiana," or "Musa cheesmani," etc. People would then post a reply under that heading, sharing their germination successes (and failures), what materials and methods they used, germination percentage, etc.


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Old 11-04-2007, 02:25 PM   #61 (permalink)
 
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I have about 50 sabal minor seeds for you.Picked them for you yesterday.Will mail to you this week.Arkansas pays a visit this week.You know what that means.
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E-mail me your address and I will send out the velutina seeds I have been saving for ya. As far as TN Vols go, hey, it was fun being on top of the SEC East while it lasted!!!
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:36 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Randy;
I got about 140 seeds this morning. Thank you again.

This time I am going to try the following:
about 17 seeds-moist pre-chilled(3 weeks fridge)/soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite
** pre-chill is now 8 weeks**
about 17 seeds- pre-chilled/soaked 3 days/moist unsterile potting soil

17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist vermiculite

17 seeds- pre-chilled/moist potting soil

17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist vermiculite

17 seeds-soaked 3 days/moist potting soil

17 seeds-moist vermiculite

17 seeds-moist potting soil.

All will be given variable heat 12 hrs/12hrs getting as close to 12* C/ 35* C (45* F/ 90* F) as I can get.
** heat is 15/9 hrs and 33 C/20 C**
I look forward to greater success than last year.

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Hey all,
I finally had to give a few seeds a try myself. They have been started for only about a week now, but I will let you know how it goes. I only tried about 12 seeds. Anyway, I just happened to think, has anyone tried cold stratification with any of the seeds? I happened to remember last year, after I sent out the first group of seeds that I put the remaining ones in my refrigerator until about the end of January. That would have been about 2-3 months in the fridge before I got them out and gave them away and potted a few up as a trial. I had about 4 germinate from about 10 seeds. More would have probably germinated, but I did not wait to see. I simply wanted to make sure the seeds were viable.
This was just a thought and wanted to throw it out there if anyone had any left to try this with. Don't forget to keep this thread alive when you have results to share...
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Randy,

Still patiently waiting for any sign of life.

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iam still watching and waiting also. magicgreen
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I have had no results yet excluding having a 'weed' germinate in one of the unsterile baggies.

I have decided to extend the pre-chill period to 8 weeks.

My variable heat will be 15hrs/9hrs with temperatures of 33 C/20 C.

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not a thing yet (as far as sprouts go)... however I have noticed that some have started to swell... at least I think I am not imagining it.... you never know with me though.
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Default Re: OK>>>> Seeds are ready on the velutina!!!

Randy,

I have some velutina seeds that I planted fresh from the plant back in the spring that still have not sprouted. The rest I put in the freezer. Maybe I should try some of them this spring. I STILL have 6 M. sikkimenisis seeds that were sown back in Feb. after soaking in water for 24 hours...still nothing. Both the velutina and sikkimensis seeds are outside in pots and will remain so through winter. Hopefully there will be some sign of activity next spring.
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Does anyone no where velutinas originate from? Maybe, the climatic conditions of that geographic area could help us some.

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Old 11-16-2007, 03:32 PM   #71 (permalink)
 
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I check everyday, but still no sign of life. I still have a few seed left, I think I might try a cold stratification.
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The M. velutina is from the state of Assam in North East India. It is probably the same banana as M. dasycarpa Kurz.

Assam is one of the larger states and covers a variety of climate conditions. N. central Assam produces Sugar Cane while North East Assam produces oil seeds and rice. The average temperature in August is 84 F/29 C and in January is 61 F/16 C. There is no hot dry summer season.

I just found an article on rhodoclamys varieties of Musa. The maps from the late 1800s seem quite a bit different in comparison with current maps. I'll post more later.

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With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India.

This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter.

As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before.

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Allen,
That is very interesting information. If you can, would it be possible to either post the link to this information. I would like to learn more about the origins of the velutina. Thanks for sharing the info you gave us thus far...
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With further research it appears that M. velutina was originally found in upper Assam state as well as the Siang districts of Arunachal Pradesh state in North East India.

This is the lower Himalaya and moderate Himalaya mountain area. The climate varies with the elevation from moist subtropical to temperate. The temperatures in my previous post would be a maximum for the species with a minimum of as low as 66 F/19 C for summer and 43 F/6 C for winter.

As useless information, the M. sanguinea was found at higher elevations than the M. velutina. I haven't heard of that variety before.

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Here are some of the websites that I looked at to get the info.
"www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mvelutina.htm" for plant history

"bananas.bioversityinternational.org/files/files/pdf/publications/focusen_rhodochlampys.pdf" for subspecies info

"www.mapsofindia.com" to find out information on the states of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh

Googling Musa velutina/ Musa dasycarpa Kurz/ Assam India also found a number of other sites that were less helpful.

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Thanks so much for sharing your information that you gathered. I am sure it will make for some interesting reading.... Take care
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Old 11-17-2007, 12:40 PM   #77 (permalink)
 
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Allen,

Thanks for sharing the information. That would give some credence to cold stratification.

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Update!





I had about 50% of the seeds (12 seeds) of location 1 group 2 germinate!
These where nonscarified and in the terrarium. They were in a plastic bag and places in a moist paper towel.
These seeds have temps ranging from 80F-85F during the day, and cool off to mid 60's at night. They receive light from overhead for 14hrs, and they get sun through a window in the morning that helps heat the tank.

No other seeds show any sign of life. All the scarified seeds keep trying to mold over, from both locations, so I believe scarification is unnecessary and causes more problems than it's helps.
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Go BGreen, it's your birthday!!!! it's your birthday!!! However, it goes, that is whay my 6 year old says with a little dance when she sees my hyped about something... Anyway, that is way too cool!!! Sure hope everyone that is in on this little trial, sees this. I am just glad to see that someone is having success...
How long did it take til germination? Thanks so much for the update...
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THAT IS TOO KOOL! . randy4ut, the lil nanna is doing the dance for "its your birthday"
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