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Old 01-24-2023, 05:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I may be wrong but my understanding is that the Blue java is a triploid, therefore has the genetic predeposition of parthenocarpy. so can't have seeds.

If there were seeds, then it won't be the actual blue java, as it'll be a genetic lottery. a lot of scams out there also. so watch out. rule of thumb go to a reputable seller and buy the plant. 9/10 you cant go wrong. there are loads of sellers here in the UK. just keep watching!

my advice is to get a plant, not the seeds unless you're after diploids such as. Musa sikimensis.
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Yeah, like Drone said, to grow blue java you'll need to buy a pup from a reputable seller. Unfortunately here in the UK, our options are very limited for named varieties of banana plants. If anyone is listing blue java seeds for sale, its a scam, at best they will be a seeded wild species of banana like Musa sikkimensis, Musa velutina etc, but it might not even turn out to be a banana seed at all, there are a lot of dodgy sellers out there.

I've purchased blue java pups before, but I can't be certain they were the real blue java, as they often get mixed up with namwah and getting one to flower and fruit here without a large heated greenhouse will be basically impossible. The first one I got several years ago was from a seller in Germany who I believe is a member on here, but he doesn't ship to the UK after Brexit as it's a lot more expensive and a lot of extra paperwork involved. And the other one I got was from turn-it-tropical.co.uk, again not sure if it actually was the real blue java. Unfortunately, I have since lost both of those plants. Canarius have it on their website at the moment (based in Tenerife), I haven't bought blue java from them, but I have bought many other varieties from them over the years, and they seem to be pretty reliable with their banana labelling.

If you want an edible variety of banana that will grow reasonably well here in summer (albeit way slower than in a hot summer climate), then I'd recommend Dwarf Orinoco, Rajapuri, Tall Orinoco and Manzano, all of those 4 I grew last year in the ground in my garden and they seemed to handle the cooler night temperatures we get here. You can see some of them in videos on my youtube channel. Of course, they will need to be brought inside for winter or wrapped up like what people do with Musa basjoo. I'd recommend digging them up and storing them somewhere cool, but not freezing.
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Yeah, like Drone said, to grow blue java you'll need to buy a pup from a reputable seller. Unfortunately here in the UK, our options are very limited for named varieties of banana plants. If anyone is listing blue java seeds for sale, its a scam, at best they will be a seeded wild species of banana like Musa sikkimensis, Musa velutina etc, but it might not even turn out to be a banana seed at all, there are a lot of dodgy sellers out there.

I've purchased blue java pups before, but I can't be certain they were the real blue java, as they often get mixed up with namwah and getting one to flower and fruit here without a large heated greenhouse will be basically impossible. The first one I got several years ago was from a seller in Germany who I believe is a member on here, but he doesn't ship to the UK after Brexit as it's a lot more expensive and a lot of extra paperwork involved. And the other one I got was from turn-it-tropical.co.uk, again not sure if it actually was the real blue java. Unfortunately, I have since lost both of those plants. Canarius have it on their website at the moment (based in Tenerife), I haven't bought blue java from them, but I have bought many other varieties from them over the years, and they seem to be pretty reliable with their banana labelling.

If you want an edible variety of banana that will grow reasonably well here in summer (albeit way slower than in a hot summer climate), then I'd recommend Dwarf Orinoco, Rajapuri, Tall Orinoco and Manzano, all of those 4 I grew last year in the ground in my garden and they seemed to handle the cooler night temperatures we get here. You can see some of them in videos on my youtube channel. Of course, they will need to be brought inside for winter or wrapped up like what people do with Musa basjoo. I'd recommend digging them up and storing them somewhere cool, but not freezing.

completely agree. Canarius is great. but importing can be tricky. i did buy a blue java from turnittropical but it turned out to be a tall namwa! not the sellers fault. just happens sometimes. BKINTERPLANTS also is an option but be very careful. pay with Paypal

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completely agree. Canarius is great. but importing can be tricky. i did buy a blue java from turnittropical but it turned out to be a tall namwa! not the sellers fault. just happens sometimes. BKINTERPLANTS also is an option but be very careful. pay with Paypal

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Yeah importing now can be a bit of a pain, I have managed to import from canarius twice since the new restrictions came in, the second time was much smoother.

Yeah, I suspected my "Blue Java" from turn-it-tropical was a tall namwah too, it's gone now though. I do have a few other namwah plants, but that one from turn-it-tropical was pretty pricey lol. I think my first Blue Java might have been the real deal because it was from a reputable seller, but unfortunately, that also didn't make it.

I've never purchased any from bkinterplants, I've considered it, but I've heard mixed reviews from other people. Also, it's quite hard to find out what the varieties are called in English.
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If anyone is listing blue java seeds for sale, its a scam, at best they will be a seeded wild species of banana like Musa sikkimensis, Musa velutina etc, but it might not even turn out to be a banana seed at all, there are a lot of dodgy sellers out there.
Most likely the OP is looking for a vegetative offshoot from a Blue Java but if they're looking for actually seeds from a Blue Java and are concerned about receiving incorrect seeds I would recommend asking the seller to ship the Blue Java fruit with the seeds still in it. The Blue Java fruit is easily identifiable. Because seed formation in a banana cultivar is caused by sexual reproduction it's important to realize that the seeds from a Blue Java fruit will not produce a Blue Java plant. This should also make it obvious that the seed that produce the original or the first Blue Java plant came from the crossing of two other banana varieties neither of which were Blue Java plants.

Here's a link that will further explain actual seeds from a Blue Java fruit.

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The reality is that most banana growers in the world refer to vegetative offshoots of the banana plant as seedlings. The term seedling was being used long before the United States was even a country. The first time I heard of them being called suckers or pups was when I joined this forum, the terms seem silly but it's mainly only used in the US. Most countries call them seedlings or semillas de guineo/semillas de platano and if the plants were actually grown by seed then further information would be added.
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