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![]() The CC that you brought over a month ago were, I agree, very nice. I'm sure they were severed from the bunch probably a little earlier than would be ideal. I waited about a week to eat the ones that I didn't give to friends that same day. The fruit's texture was what I found most noteworthy: the flesh seemed to adhere or suction onto my lips as I cleaved it from the finger. It was reminiscent of the good mouth-feeling that well-grown okra provides when eaten green. It definitely gives one the impression of its having a high water or oil content, if that makes any sense. I'd probably call it texturally opposite your typical grocery store Cavendish, as fluffiness was essentially absent from the presentation. As the flavor neared the back of my throat, it had a hint of the vegetal taste that is so noteworthy to robguz in categorizing banana flavor. I'd love to eat a couple of hands of these fruit to get a better sense of their qualities. Thank you, Dan, for the treats. (The avocado was wonderfully easy to peel, and although it was not particularly flavorful, I loved it, too!)
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![]() Did it taste like a Mysore.
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![]() Keith,
Its having been about a year since I last tasted a Mysore--and that having been my very first time tasting a Mysore--I can't make a fair comparison. From memory, though, I'd say that the fruit that Dan has labeled as Chini-Champa is fatter, more angulated, and not nearly as sweet. It doesn't have the acidic component that some people--myself included--find so alluring about Mysore. So I'm pretty sure it's a different fruit entirely. As to whether it is an AB, as a Chini-Champa is supposed to be, I'm not sure of that, either. Dan was very thorough in explaining how he came into the corm for this plant, but my account of the story would be just a butchered paraphrasing. If I'm remembering correctly, Dan's CC is separated from his Pisang Ceylon by only one mat. Perhaps with a wide-angle it is possible with some winter pruning to get a set of pictures that encompass both plants and their p-stem and petiole characteristics. As long as he's happy with the fruit quality, though, I'm not sure that it matters what it is. (The fruit was much-appreciated here, whatever the case. ![]() N. |
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![]() According to Gabe, Chini-Champa is synonymous with Ney Poovan rather than Poovan: Ney Poovan info wanted (whatever value terms such as "Ney Poovan" and "Poovan" even carry, which is probably little). Which source to believe? Picture clarification from the Gabemeister would obviously be pretty helpful, but that ain't happenin'. ;-)
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![]() Cute...
Compiled and edited by Dr. Gorakh Singh Horticulture Commissioner National Research Centre for Banana, Tiruchirapalli Government of India Ministry of Agriculture Department of Agriculture and Cooperation "Also known as Mysore, Alpan, Champa, Chini Champa, Dora Vazhal, Karpura Chakrakeli and Palayankodan. It is distinguished from other cultivars by its pink pigmentation on the ventral side of the midrib of young leaves. Under optimum crop management conditions, it bears heavy bunches weighing 20-24 kg each having 150 to 300 fingers."
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![]() I don't know that I would characterize anything about what I shared as "cute," but cool, Keith. I think the older post still bears some credibility within the broader context of the disambiguation of common names of Indian bananas, among them "Safet Velchi," "Ney Poovan," what have you--which are certainly different not just in name but in kind from Mysore--different enough, certainly, that the guide that you linked lists them as such. How certain people have come to conflate Chini Champa with Safet Velchi, as they very obviously did at one point in the history of this potentially-broken little site, I can't say. There is always a broader context than that which we know. I still don't think that what Dan is calling Chini Champa is Mysore, but I'll have to concede the issue to you.
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![]() It's 'cute' to imply the sources are somehow equal.
On one side you have... a banana that originated in India it's been grown for thousands of years in India it's the most popular banana in India it's been studied by thousands of banana scientists in India there's mountains of documents about this banana in India OK....maybe the entire country is wrong, but it's their banana and that's what they've named it. Maybe Dan's growing 'Gabe's Gumby'. Quote:
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![]() I don't know what to tell you, Keith; I'm not looking to pick a fight with you or with anyone. We had discussed this briefly over the phone during our epic phone conversation last week: I often don't know how to interpret the tenor of your writing, either. Your style and word choice can seem unnecessarily combative, and I know that you don't want to be perceived that way. If nothing else is apparent in one's participation in this Internet forum, it is that common names such as Chini Champa can and will be applied loosely within the regions from which bananas are ultimately derived, and then that loose nomenclature will be promulgated by the uneducated masses of which I am firmly a part. I'm sorry. We just don't know any better.
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![]() So, Dan--tangent aside--what was the scoop about how you got the CC? I've looked at a few of your older posts regarding the plant and haven't unearthed any discussions about your acquiring it through the board. Now that you've gotten a fuller and more representative bunch of fruit from the plant, what stands out to you about its growth habit and the qualities of the fruit? Did you get any close-ups of the inflorescence before you cut the male bud? Does anything about the plant bear any similarity to you to your Pisang Ceylon?
Shout-out to forum member Richard: Did you ever receive any more definitive clarification on the issues that you presented in this post from 2008: Safet Velchi vs. Chini Champa and synonyms ? N. |
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![]() Thanks for your kind words.
When I first heard Dan's epic stories of the Chini Champa, I pull up some research papers that stated it was a very popular AAB Mysore that originated in India. Later I heard Dan's epic stories of the Pisang Klotec and it's journey from a Sri Lanka tissue culture lab to the United States of America but couldn't find any research paper about it. I'm a simple farmer so I simply contacted some banana research scientists and tissue culture labs in Sri Lanka to learn more about this epic banana. If you are truly interested in the epic Chini Champa, I would recommend starting by researching blogs & message boards. Then if needed contact some banana research scientists and tissue culture labs in India. A great thing about banana scientists is that they are thrilled to have their work acknowledge and love to talk bananas with anybody bananas about bananas. I'm always impressed with the tenor, style, and word choice of your writings and grateful of the time and effort you put into your posts as evidenced by the quality of its content! In vitro Regeneration Protocol for Anupam and Chini Champa: Two Banana (Musa sapientum) Cultivars of Bangladesh - ResearchGate Musa Genomics: Members Quote:
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Thank you for the repartee! Very informative insights and threads resurrected that I havent read before. I need to read the thread slowly and completely but are we saying that Chini Champa and Pklotek are the same? Thank you! |
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![]() I am growing a Chini Champa. It does not resemble the pictures that Dan posted of his Chini Champa fruit. It most closely resembles and tastes simular to the Mysore I grew years ago. I don't grow Mysore anymore so an actual taste test for me is impossible. I believe they are different plants but when asked to describe what a Chini tastes like, I have to say simular to a Mysore.
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Greenie, Has been a while since your last post on the forum!....Nice to hear from you again!....Do you still growing some 'nanas?......
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