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Dalmatiansoap 10-19-2009 10:21 AM

Weather forecast
 
This should be nice to know in this winter months:
Intermeteo.com - Weather forecasts worldwide
Here U can find TWO WEEKS weather forecast for Your country/region/town.
Looks like a very usefull tool ;)
:woohoonaner:

ilmr 10-19-2009 11:26 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
I read an article a while back about medium term forecasts and I think it said that if there's a forecast that it will rain in five days, that will only be true 40% of the time which means that 4+ day forecasts are more often wrong that right so maybe you should read those reverse instead to be correct more often. :D

EDIT: Here's another article about the topic
How Valid Are T.V. Weather Forecasts? - Freakonomics Blog - NYTimes.com

YAKUZA 10-19-2009 01:23 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Hi my dear frends. long time no c.
im verry bussy with my new hobby en frend the Hungarian Vizsla .
Im making some time now for my garden.
Winter is comming soon end mutch 2 do.
Today i placed a heater in my greenhouse end placed a heatstring around my basjoo.
we had 3 nights of frost -1. -2 but this week its gettin warm hehe .15 degrees.
Is it time 2 insullate the basjoo in garden?.
i have seen a video on yourtube.
somebody has expierience withe this method?


YouTube - Fall Hardy Bananas


nice to be back.

Dalmatiansoap 12-07-2009 04:31 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
:coldbanana:
I was watching some forecasts for next week and brrrr... looks its heading this way!
ATTENTION, FROST ON SIGHT on Sunday!!
:nanadrink:
:woohoonaner:

Bob 12-07-2009 04:42 PM

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Feel bad for you Ante but........ it was 60F(15.5C )here 3 days ago ...now we have snow cover and it's cold enough to freeze the icicles off an eskimo(25F/3.8C)!......feels cold when you're not used to it.

Jack Daw 12-07-2009 05:37 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Even here we are slightly above 0°C. :D Well, cold, rainy, foggy, humid and unpleasant anyway. :ha:
Good luck with that frost Ante! lol

Seweryn 12-10-2009 08:14 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
The winter is coming...:coldbanana:
The weather forecast said that it is going to get colder and colder.

today's temperatures (Central Europe)

and for tomorrow and Satuday's night


bikoro child 12-10-2009 09:02 AM

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I think I have to trimm and protect next week cause col temp are expected here too...

Dalmatiansoap 12-10-2009 11:19 AM

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Wierd if nothing else ;)
Last night and till noon today we had strong winds (100-120km/h), even slight rain last night and this aftrernoon BANG, 17C! Calm & beautifull like in full spring :).
Isnt all ideal, I have broken Glaucum :(!
Again :ha::ha::ha:!
:woohoonaner:

Patty in Wisc 12-10-2009 02:59 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Ante, what is "Glaucum"?
The wind chill here is -20 f...temp is 6 f :(

bikoro child 12-10-2009 03:24 PM

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Ensete glaucum i believe

Dalmatiansoap 12-10-2009 04:11 PM

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True, its E. Glaucum. It grows on bad, windy position and I didnt want to digg it out to make hardynes test. This is third time that it lost all leaves :(. Only good thing is that it is dormant now.
WOW, Patty, 6 F???
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 12-11-2009 06:18 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seweryn (Post 113718)
The winter is coming...:coldbanana:
The weather forecast said that it is going to get colder and colder.

today's temperatures (Central Europe)

and for tomorrow and Satuday's night


Yep, it should cool down a little bit, standing at the Christmas Markets will get slightly more difficult. :ha:
But on the other hand, MY little piece of Slovakia in the south is still warmer than anything else around. LOL.
Ante, broken again? You're the man! ;)
Btw. do you see where the front has come from? That's the reason why nobody's ever conquered Russia. :D :D :D

bikoro child 12-11-2009 06:29 AM

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Pay attention E Glaucum is not very hardy I lost mine last year with a -5°C ...

Seweryn 12-11-2009 08:26 AM

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Are you trading at the Christmas Market? It means you are Santa’s little helper? heheheh I’m just kidding. :bananananer: So put some photos here, I thought we can make a new topic about some events, customs, interesting places etc. while we have a winter here and bananas and other plants do not grow too much.

Ps Jack my grandmother used to said “Eastern wind never brings anything good” :D

Jack Daw 12-11-2009 09:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seweryn (Post 113842)
Are you trading at the Christmas Market? It means you are Santa’s little helper? heheheh I’m just kidding. :bananananer: So put some photos here, I thought we can make a new topic about some events, customs, interesting places etc. while we have a winter here and bananas and other plants do not grow too much.

Ps Jack my grandmother used to said “Eastern wind never brings anything good” :D

Nope, Sew, but it's quite a festivity here, you know, meeting people, hanging out with your friends, having something delicious, (non)alcoholic, wine... Lots of these days you just go there to see some girls, everyone's mood is excellent, very happy and usually delightfully tipsy... ;)

I would take the camera there, but I'm quite worried that someone would very quickly make it change the owner. I will do try though. :D It might also look weird (carrying a camera around) - like Japanese tourists (there is a Japanese embassy nearby).

Also, the tradition of "Santa Claus" (aka "The damn old fat man created by Coca-Cola as a commercial") is mostly marketing. There's are lots of people (majority I believe), who dispise that character and it's not uncommon to see some youngsters beat up someone dressed as Santa. It's the way it goes around here. Don't tell me it's different in Poland. ;)

See what people from Czech republic do...

Seweryn 12-11-2009 02:10 PM

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I thought you selling at the christmas market like this (in Wrocław)


Well I don't know the "santas" are oppressed here, not many people walking on the streets in this king of apparel :ha: (maybe in supermarkets). Here Santa Claus = St. Nicolaus usually wears mitre and crosier (and gives presents at 6th of December - I think the same like in Slovakia nad many other countries)
Luckyly for fake santas Infant Jesus doesn't give a presents here so they don't have to afraid of being beheaded, hanged or defenestrated:ha::ha::ha:

Jack Daw 12-11-2009 03:42 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seweryn (Post 113888)
I thought you selling at the christmas market like this (in Wrocław)


Well I don't know the "santas" are oppressed here, not many people walking on the streets in this king of apparel :ha: (maybe in supermarkets). Here Santa Claus = St. Nicolaus usually wears mitre and crosier (and gives presents at 6th of December - I think the same like in Slovakia nad many other countries)
Luckyly for fake santas Infant Jesus doesn't give a presents here so they don't have to afraid of being beheaded, hanged or defenestrated:ha::ha::ha:

:ha: Very funny. :ha: Yep, 6th December, Mikuláš. Every child's favorite day. Lots of sweets, candies,...

Our Christmas Markets look very similar, with one difference, there's so many (really, way too many) people that you can hardly move in the crowd... and also a stage at the end of the square. Occasionally there are some real bands playing theme songs, Christmas carrols etc., but competitions and give aways are not so rare either.
Will take my camera or cell phone, when I head that direction next time.

Ante, what about you? Any such markets? It would be way much easier in your mild Mediterranean climate.

Oh, yeah, and I forgot about the random kissing contest. When the great bell rings, a man is supposed to kiss any women standing close to him (preferrably one he doesn't know and is beautiful!!!!). Interesting. Yet very pleasureful. At least for me. But no girl has objected to me kissing her at all. Some boyfriends have though. :ha:

Dalmatiansoap 12-11-2009 04:11 PM

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No Jack. Nothing so light and shine here. There is more decorations in this two pictures than in half of my region:ha::ha::ha:
After all, you are the one with "white Christmas"
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 12-11-2009 04:15 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 113907)
No Jack. Nothing so light and shine here. There is more decorations in this two pictures than in half of my region:ha::ha::ha:
After all, you are the one with "white Christmas"
:woohoonaner:

Oh snap, maybe an inspiration for future? It's the sole purpose I like this holiday, everyone's relaxed and cheerful, people wanna meet almost everyday, not a single time I am there I happen to be alone and I always meet there someone unexpected. :)

palmpje 12-12-2009 04:38 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
They are talking about a drop till the freezing point and below ( 0 / -2 degrees) for sunday night. It seems winter is kicking really in now.

I will rush into my garden tomorrow to make the final protections on my only basjoo i left outside. Also getting out some flower-bulbs that are not frost-hardy. I think I will leave the Canna bulbs in the ground.

Dalmatiansoap 12-13-2009 02:34 AM

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5C! Coldest morning so fare. But its calm and I belive that sun will get thrue clouds. But if it goes lower I ll get in troubless for house heating. My air cond. doesnt provide enough heat whan temp. drops below 4-5C :(.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 12-13-2009 05:08 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 114074)
5C! Coldest morning so fare. But its calm and I belive that sun will get thrue clouds. But if it goes lower I ll get in troubless for house heating. My air cond. doesnt provide enough heat whan temp. drops below 4-5C :(.
:woohoonaner:

Supposedly 1°C, light snowing (first in the season, yupiiii), beautiful snowflecks... ;)
Impossible to take pictures though. I should think about moving my palms inside. :ha:

palmpje 12-13-2009 06:53 AM

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Right now 1° C !

Ante: You are using your airco to warm up the house? how does that work? And this is the only heat source you have?

Here we have a central heating system with gas, and a gas heater. Gas is the cheapest way of heating here.

Jack Daw: Snow is not so bad, it works a bit like an insulator. not? or are your palms very small?

Dalmatiansoap 12-13-2009 07:29 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by palmpje (Post 114083)
Ante: You are using your airco to warm up the house? how does that work? And this is the only heat source you have?

Yeap. Maybe isnt the best way but it is enough. Our systems have heat/cool options and are good till 4-5C temp.
In my region (whole southern(costal) part of Croatia)we dont have gas intalations and we use mostly electricty as heat source. Sea acumulates large amounths of energy and it doesnt allow us to freez ;)

:woohoonaner:

Seweryn 12-13-2009 08:30 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
there was -8C last night and -4 C during the day. actually there were first freezy days this winter.
We have gas instaltion but we usually don't use it. The gas is the most expensive medium for heating the house here, especially if your house is old and isnt energy-saving.

palmpje 12-13-2009 02:33 PM

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Seweryn : What is then the alternative if you live in an old house? also electricity ? Electricity is expensive here. Thats why much people are choosing now for solar panels.

Ante: Do I understand it right that there you have energy generated by the sea? if yes, that sounds very "high-tech" and "green" technology!

Houses are well insulated in Belgium, even older houses ( from 1950 - 60).
Heating with electricity is actually forbidden for new houses. Because of the energy - unfriendly nature. Here electricity is mainly produced by nuclear energy installations. However they are building more and more wind turbines ( like in holland). But only wind energy could never cover our hunger for electricity in the households. We are even buying energy from our neighbour France.

Dalmatiansoap 12-13-2009 02:42 PM

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Haha, nothing like that. I was reffering that sea acumulate sun heat in the day time and keep air temp. much higher than inlands. Only 10km air distance inland from me they have much lower temperatures than we have here.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 12-13-2009 03:39 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Wow, -0°C. Is that even possible? :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seweryn (Post 114093)
there was -8C last night and -4 C during the day. actually there were first freezy days this winter.
We have gas instaltion but we usually don't use it. The gas is the most expensive medium for heating the house here, especially if your house is old and isnt energy-saving.

You know Sew, better be prepared for Putin's next gas stop. :D 2 tons of wood should do it til the spring. We can't rely on modern technology and electricity much these days... ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by palmpje (Post 114138)
Ante: Do I understand it right that there you have energy generated by the sea? if yes, that sounds very "high-tech" and "green" technology!

LOOOOOOOLZ Palmpje. Really good joke... :ha:
It sound more probable than Croatian submarines though. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by palmpje (Post 114138)
Houses are well insulated in Belgium, even older houses ( from 1950 - 60).
Heating with electricity is actually forbidden for new houses. Because of the energy - unfriendly nature. Here electricity is mainly produced by nuclear energy installations. However they are building more and more wind turbines ( like in holland). But only wind energy could never cover our hunger for electricity in the households. We are even buying energy from our neighbour France.

I think you still have good infrastructure. Well, we have 2 nuclear plants that make more energy than we can ever spend, so it could be free. "Luckily" for us, those motherfu***rs in our parliament were corrupt enough to sell them to ENEL. Now we import energy and our nuclear plants are running at 4%... But every Slovak is happy to pay to Italians for energy from powerplants that were built here using free labor (before 1989). Should I also mention, that they bought them for, now read well, 1/100 of its real price. And we pay much more, than most of the people in Western EU.

One of these days... I wish I were living in Sochi or Makarska. :ha:

Seweryn 12-13-2009 06:04 PM

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palmpje
No I don't tell about elecricity, I think about wood and carbon, I know it is not ecological but now the cheapest way to heat your house. The solar palens are popular and many people install it but it has sense if your house is good insolated. If you live in old hose buid partially with stone (1930) with old windows, old roof and uninsulated walls it doesnt. And I have heard it can be rather supporting sourcen not only method of heating. So first I have to invest in big renovation.

Ante I also thought you told about some generating station using some sea tides etc. :ha:

Jack, Please don't provoke me I am very susceptible to political/historical discussion :ha: If I start I can't stop :2709:

palmpje 12-14-2009 02:57 PM

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@Jack Daw: I love those real storys about East-european politics, I tought that there was a lot of corrupcy in Northwest Europe, but it seems i'm still naive! Isn't there a movement of young politics that are trying to fight this? However I know that almost nothing can beat this "energy-machine". We import Gas from Russia, for very high prices and nobody ask questions.

Croatian submarines ... now I can't get the picture out of my head of Ante in some old russian type submarine running on some home brewn olive oil ....

@ all : here we are now :

jack daw : - 3 °C
seweryn : -3 °C
myself : - 2 °C

while ante : 10° C ! ( possibly relaxing in the garden with a hawai shirt! :02:)

Just joking, no offense Ante. ( edit: just very jealous we all are )

Seweryn 12-14-2009 03:46 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Weather forecast for Wednesday (night)- I wish there isn't whole Europe map at this weather service I took it from.

Dalmatiansoap 12-14-2009 04:05 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by palmpje (Post 114286)
Croatian submarines ... now I can't get the picture out of my head of Ante in some old russian type submarine running on some home brewn olive oil ....

:ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 12-14-2009 04:59 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by palmpje (Post 114286)
@Jack Daw: I love those real storys about East-european politics, I tought that there was a lot of corrupcy in Northwest Europe, but it seems i'm still naive! Isn't there a movement of young politics that are trying to fight this? However I know that almost nothing can beat this "energy-machine". We import Gas from Russia, for very high prices and nobody ask questions.

Croatian submarines ... now I can't get the picture out of my head of Ante in some old russian type submarine running on some home brewn olive oil ....

@ all : here we are now :

jack daw : - 3 °C
seweryn : -3 °C
myself : - 2 °C

while ante : 10° C ! ( possibly relaxing in the garden with a hawai shirt! :02:)

Just joking, no offense Ante. ( edit: just very jealous we all are )

Temps here are much better than those in my sticker ( :( ). Sticker temps are measured in mountainious northern Bratislava, yet my temps on plainy southern Bratislava are slightly milder. Usually +3°C compared to those in sticker.

But that depends.
Night temps might go down to -4 this night. We'll see.

You were not far from the truth btw. Russian diesel submarines could be run by pretty much anything that explodes. Special diesel was also used in cold arctic and antarctic waters, when alcohol and oils (natural - olive, sunflower...) were mixed with diesel to lower its freezing temperature. The same techniques are also used by many European Oil Stations to make the diesel more durable in cold.

Seweryn 12-14-2009 06:56 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Ante I am very interested how cold usually is a place you live or just in Croatia - I mean in the winter. I have 3 Punica granatum , pittosporum tobira, Arbutus undeo and Quercus ilex and Quercus coccifera in my garden, i am curious what frost they can stand? One Q. ilex survived -19 C last winter under small foil tent. My pomeranates I have from the seeds so maybe some wild growing shrubs are more frost tollerant ???

Jack Daw 12-15-2009 04:15 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Ante, 4°C in Split, how about at your place?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seweryn (Post 114322)
Good heavens, Jack what are you talking about !

Regarding what part. Edited.

Dalmatiansoap 12-15-2009 11:07 AM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seweryn (Post 114322)
Ante I am very interested how cold usually is a place you live or just in Croatia - I mean in the winter. I have 3 Punica granatum , pittosporum tobira, Arbutus undeo and Quercus ilex and Quercus coccifera in my garden, i am curious what frost they can stand? One Q. ilex survived -19 C last winter under small foil tent. My pomeranates I have from the seeds so maybe some wild growing shrubs are more frost tollerant ???

In costal Dalmatia where I live minimums are rare below 0C. We had few extremes last winter with -3C for two days. But only few kilometers inland temperatures may go till -10C. Continental parts are like in all continental Europe. I know that some Punica grantum cultivars can go to -7C without any protection. Dont know for your other plants ;)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 114365)
Ante, 4°C in Split, how about at your place?

Makarska was 11C at 14.00, now is 10C in my balcony. We have a kind of climatic border between Makarska and Split and many times there are totaly different weather conditiones in only 15 km area
:woohoonaner:

Seweryn 12-15-2009 01:19 PM

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thax
We also usually don't have less then -3C ......in May:ha::ha::ha:
I have seen a big pomegranate shrubs in Budapest so i think they can stand more than -7, we will see , as I wrote my Q. ilex (Hrast crnika) :D survived -19 C

Dalmatiansoap 12-15-2009 01:23 PM

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Wow Seweryn
Im glad that your Hrast:bananas_b can beat such hard freeze but Im pretty sure that we have many stones that can do that too:ha::ha::ha:, but I dont know about plants:ha:
:woohoonaner:

palmpje 12-15-2009 01:39 PM

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Jack Daw: I like to read about stories like that. Old mechanical technology, cold russian winters, smelly diesel tanks, and a bunch of greasy guys without personal hygiëne...all pumped together in a small fishthank, deep under the water. Must be a hell of a ride.


Is that a sort of a microclimat in Bratislava? We also have a difference between north and south of Belgium.

While now for example they forecast -5 in the north, it could get too -11 in the south.
That is a big difference for such a small country.
We live closer to the shore of the northsea ( closer to the north). Maybe this is the reason.

We already hit -5 here last night. Very cold if you are not used to this anymore!

Jack Daw 12-15-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by palmpje (Post 114396)
Jack Daw: I like to read about stories like that. Old mechanical technology, cold russian winters, smelly diesel tanks, and a bunch of greasy guys without personal hygiëne...all pumped together in a small fishthank, deep under the water. Must be a hell of a ride.


Is that a sort of a microclimat in Bratislava? We also have a difference between north and south of Belgium.

While now for example they forecast -5 in the north, it could get too -11 in the south.
That is a big difference for such a small country.
We live closer to the shore of the northsea ( closer to the north). Maybe this is the reason.
We already hit -5 here last night. Very cold if you are not used to this anymore!

Well, it's not a special distinctive microclimate, but there are lots of lakes, underground drinking water reservoirs and rivers, so it has to be a hell of a winter to reach here badly. Typical lows here are zone 8, sometimes it drops to zone 7.

For instance 2 winters ago we were zone 8b, before that zone 8a, whereas other parts of Central Europe are a little bit colder (zones 6 and 7).

Plus the large city heat index is helping us a lot.

Your temperature difference is, as I believe, also thanks to the warm Gulf Stream... It brings balanced temperatures year round...

Submarines and spaceships are my favorite topics... There's no time in this world that I wouldn't like to talk/listen about these wonderful machines.
Just to see how they operate, I would like to embark on a journey in a submarine once... :D Or better spaceship!

palmpje 12-16-2009 02:57 PM

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Quote Jack: """Submarines and spaceships are my favorite topics... There's no time in this world that I wouldn't like to talk/listen about these wonderful machines.
Just to see how they operate, I would like to embark on a journey in a submarine once... Or better spaceship!"""

Now I have the image in my head of Jack walking on the moon, not with a flag of the united states, but with a Musa. Trying to be the first banana cultivator on the moon :goteam:.

Actually I understand the interest in spaceships and submarines. Both are wonderfull mechanical machines that have the ability to transport us to magical unknown worlds. As a little boy I closely payed attention when Jaques Cousteau went down with one of those little submarines. ( actually it looks like a little yellow shark from out of space with windows ).

http://www.baeggle.com/france/monaco08.jpg

The fair compactness of the machine would make you love to possess one.

For the guys that want to complain about the fact that this is not on topic....

Take a look at the submarine again. ... right .... it looks like a banana too.

Seweryn 12-18-2009 01:55 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Here we have -14C (daytime) and during couple days can be even - 18C.
I don't even want to think about my plants in the garden.
Airpotrs and railways stations are paralysed and there are big traffic jams in the cities. :coldbanana:
I thought I could freeze today - hopefully I have some home made Porterówka (Porter Vodka) to warm up :ha::ha::ha:

Dalmatiansoap 12-18-2009 02:28 PM

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Im almost at ZERO!!!
It is the coldest night so fare:coldbanana:

Jack Daw 12-18-2009 03:15 PM

Re: Weather forecast
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 114758)
Im almost at ZERO!!!
It is the coldest night so fare:coldbanana:

LOLZ Ante, only -3°C here at the moment. Absolut low this December was 2 days ago. cirka -6°C at my place. Well, it's getting cold. I also went to Christmas markets with my cellphone, took some pics, but then I found a group of singing people there (cirka 15 with an accordion)... and I bought some wine, sung a little bit and made som pics again...

And when I came home I found out they were all blury. I will maybe post them soon, but right now I'm gonna have some warm tea!

saltydad 12-18-2009 05:28 PM

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Well, for the benefit of those on the far side of the pond, the U. S. nation's capital is expecting a foot of snow tonight/tomorrow. Haven't got my palms or basjoos mulched yet. Temps have been in the low 20's F at night, and palms still look OK! Basjoo is fried. Time to kick back and watch lots of movies on my new 50" Panasonic plasma! Doctor won't let me shovel snow due to heart condition. (Ha, it finally came in handy!!)

Dalmatiansoap 12-19-2009 02:07 AM

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Wow 50"! Thats something. I still didnt get used to watch my 32":ha::ha:.
But for 50" man has to have soccer field size living room ;).
Early this morning south wind started again and gets me plesant 6C for now.
:woohoonaner:

island cassie 12-19-2009 02:26 AM

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I won't tell you what the temperature is here!! Make you cry!!

Jack Daw 12-19-2009 05:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by island cassie (Post 114832)
I won't tell you what the temperature is here!! Make you cry!!

I just took a peek at the map yesterday. It said air temp 33°C and water temp 29°C for Cuba. So I guess that pretty similar? :D

Dalmatiansoap 12-19-2009 06:02 AM

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Haha Jack, even here are water (sea) temperatures in range 12-16C and the bigger part of coast is still freezing. There is 20 cm of snow in northen Adriatic.
:woohoonaner:


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