Yug

Not sure what the point of the chart was. I guess they are all 'EVIL' because a liberal leftist/socialist media outlet told you they were, so with no actual evidence (again!) you believe they are 'eeeeevil' because some leftist media org (which really is evil) told you so, and you wish to believe it.

Global Warming 'Scientists' Stranded by Ice

Only 1 in 23 Media Outlets Mention story

The lefty MSM won't report it because it doesnt' fit the 'global warming' agenda (just like they don't report anything negative about o'bummer)

The real 'bitch' of it is...
THIS IS THE WARM SEASON IN ANTARCTICA!!!! (you just can't make this stuff up! )

Funkthulhu

I'm pretty much copying this post verbatim from one I just made in another forum. The reason that few media outlets are posting about the trapped research vessel is because they don't have enough air-time to explain to John Q Public why the increased ice is a result of global warming:

"Regardless of the total summer melt from global warming the poles are very cold. In the case of Antarctica, the melt that happens in the southern summer is greater due to that warming. However, most of that melt can only occur because of solar radiation being absorbed by darker surfaces, as the ambient air temperature in those areas can still stay below freezing much of the year. Soot and other atmospheric fallout onto the ice creates duller ice/snow, and eventually forms small surface-melt pools with dark material at the bottom absorbing solar heat. (we have photos from the last couple years of the north pole still frozen underneath, but submerged in a small pond of melt-water) The combination of increased temperature and the reduced albedo of the ice results in accelerated melting of both land and sea-ice during each hemisphere's summer.

Salt inhibits ice crystal formation, this is why you sprinkle it on your sidewalk to get rid of ice. As a result, ice will only form in the ocean under special circumstances of extreme cold, or reduced levels of salinity. The increased volume of melt water coming off of Antarctica is yearly lowering the local salinity of surface water (fresh water floats on salt water). The result is that ice formation is much easier and faster during the southern hemisphere winter because of the increased melting during the summer. The same effect can be seen to a lesser extent around northern Greenland in the northern hemisphere winter, but the effects are lessened due to the relative lack of continental glacier ice. The ice over and around the north pole that covers the north polar sea takes longer to form because there is not a lot of fresh melt water to dilute the local salinity. This is why we are having record melting of the north arctic sea-ice over the summers in the last couple decades.

So, yes, in a roundabout way, the increase in global warming both increases southern hemisphere winter sea-ice AND makes it more difficult to for northern hemisphere sea-ice to return to its full extent every year. And in both the Arctic and Antarctic the land supported glacial ice (Antarctica/Greenland) is melting at a record pace every summer in that hemisphere."

Ta-Da!

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Funkthulhu

Also, complete ignorance of how a complex system works is not evidence that your viewpoint is right. . .

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amantedelenguaje

Thanks for both viewpoints on the issue. I am glad to be a part of bananas.org where everyone has the opportunity to respectfully express his or her thoughts on issues important to us all. I guess if we were all omniscient and of one accord about everything there would be little reason to have a discussion forum.

Happy New Year!!!

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CountryBoy1981

Is it going to be so warm Monday night that cold records will be set across the Eastern part of the U.S.?

VIDEO: Life Threatening Cold Ahead

Abnshrek

Its going to get this cold.. :^)

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Abnshrek

It's going to be a cold Tuesday morning..

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CountryBoy1981

Definitely looks like global warming to me! Hurry quick get the carbon tax so it does not get any warmer than it is now.

momoese

"Global Warming" means global chaos. In other words, Global Climate Change. Our weather patterns are changing. Do you really deny this?

scottu

weather patterns change, the global climate changes, they always have and always will, does anyone really think they know what change is next or for how long it will last, you are not that smart, if you think you are you are silly! predict the weather for the next 365 days accurately then give us a call!

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momoese

Global temps are increasing, global weather patterns are changing. Truth. argue with that

momoese

Do you climate change deniers also think Fukushima is no big deal?

CountryBoy1981

The same thing is happening on Mars. What are humans doing to cause the temperature increase on Mars? It could be the Martians are driving their flying saucers. When the temperatures on Earth and Mars and both increasing something would tell me that there is an external source for the increase, not an internal source on the Earth.

momoese

What does this have to do with anything? My point is that some people in this thread are denying climate change. That's crazy imo.

Kat2

I don't think anyone is discounting change; I suspect Methuselah saw many climate changes during his purported lifetime of 969 years. We have no records for weather during that time--not scientific ones--so who knows? I do know that during my lifetime I have seen many super hot summers, terribly frigid winters and awful droughts though I'm not old enough to have seen the dust bowl. My family on both sides were farmers and knew to expect good years and bad because controlling weather wasn't in their hands. I have a very low carbon footprint but I honestly don't believe in global warming; I do believe Mother Nature delights in playing games and watching us squirm.

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not worth it

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Sharonp1953

It is so frustrating hearing people deny the impact of human activity on global climate and weather patterns. There is emperical evidence that the impact of human activity is pushing the planet to its tipping point, beyond which discussion will be pointless. I left the Sunshine Coast of Australia 18 years ago to travel. When I left typical summer weather here was around 34c maximum and with summer rain being consistent here. I returned 3 years ago. I planted a beautiful sub-tropical garden filled with plants that are supposed to be suited to these conditions. Last week, still no significant summer rain and on Saturday temperatures peaked here at just under 44c, that is 111.2. At this rate we will live in a desert, and a flood plain on the occasions it rains. We have to halt GW at no more than 2 degrees to have a hope, currently we are looking at 7 to 8 degrees. We can argue until we fry, but my question is what harm will it do if we ARE wrong? While without change, if we are right, life on earth will change forever, and mass extinction will happen. I have grandchildren! I am acting and so can you.

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Kat2

Quick question: how old are the participants in this thread? I'm approaching 60 and have seen a lot of climate changes. You?

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Sharonp1953

I am 60, and yes I have seen change too, but I am aware that the pace of change is now devastating. I know a little more than some as my husband is a specialist writer for emergency response globally and attend numerous conferences worldwide. People in emergency response planning are not climate change nuts, they are simply trying to deal with the fallout, and they are worried!

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Kat2

Wasn't expecting anyone here to be as ancient as I am. I will listen but am hard to convince especially with the 10 or 20 year record lows predicted for FL on Monday and Tuesday.

But I will listen.

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