Originally Posted by harveyc

I bet it was a warm snow.

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

And why do you think it's taken as "gospel?" It's because most of it has been proven using observation, experimentation, and objective fact by experts in the field. The parts that aren't proven are theory that is supported by observation, experimentation, and objective fact and has not been successfully disproven. That's what scientists do. They attempt to learn about the natural world through what they observe. If you remember the scientific method, it is in itself biased AGAINST what a scientist is trying to prove. Why is this? Because the moment evidence mounts that something science has previously been used to prove may be wrong, the entire thing is questioned and must be proven true again without being disproven. Students aren't taught to question what is taught in the textbook; they are given the scientific method as a tool to prove or disprove it. It's a completely different thing. This is not about questioning something. This is not philosophy. This is science, and there is methodology to it. And the moment something in a textbook is disproven, the next textbook series should acknowledge this. Sure, I agree that students should be taught to use critical thinking skills, but I also think that they should not be taught to simply "question" established scientific fact without trying to disprove it first.

So far, there has been no credible scientist to disprove climate change and have it become widely accepted through the peer review process, which is a safeguard built into the scientific method that hampers the dissemination of false information and rigged experimentation. Until that happens, climate change will remain scientific consensus. And given the observations we have been making regarding changes in Earth's weather patterns, the chances of this happening is second to nil.

And regarding the Mars thing:

"Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years.""

Apparently this scientist is dismissing the greenhouse effect and claiming that the Earth will cool drastically in 15 to 20 years, and this has been going on since the 1990s. This is directly the opposite of what we have been observing, and have observed in the Earth's long-term climate history. The 2000s were the warmest decade on record, and things show no sign of stopping. Additionally, temperature records of the past few hundred thousand years show an extremely strong correlation between CO2 levels and global average temperature (the data has been collected mostly from ice cores, which are a very accurate long-term record of Earth's climate history).



It's no wonder that this scientist's work has not been well-received by the scientific community. What he is saying goes against mountains of observations and evidence that has been observed by countless other scientists. What is going on on Mars has nothing to do with us and has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect on Earth, unless we have been doing something along the lines of shooting nukes at Mars' ice caps. Besides, a positive feedback effect could be contributing to the current warming on Mars, where the melting of the planet's ice caps increase average temperature due to excess CO2, and this would cause more melting, which would lead to more CO2, and the cycle just continues. A single unusually warm summer could have set this off, and what we are just seeing now is the ongoing effect of this feedback loop.

If this scientist were to disprove climate change, he would have to prove his claim that CO2 has little to no effect on Earth's climate. All of the evidence that we have seen regarding the correlation between CO2 and climate points to CO2 being the largest player in moderating the greenhouse effect on a global scale (water vapor, which is a weaker greenhouse gas and is more abundant than CO2, only affects things regionally and temporarily, because atmospheric H2O concentrations vary widely across the planet and its lifetime in the atmosphere is extremely brief). Good luck to him in disproving over 150 years of scientific knowledge regarding the greenhouse effect.

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

THREE TROPICAL CYCLONES ARE HITTING ASIA RIGHT NOW. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS. MOVE ALONG.

Originally Posted by Yug

Texas Storm Setting Temperature, Snow Records
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Cold rewrites Oregon history books
Coldest temps in a quarter-century
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Climate change warning: Killer winter storms for the next THIRTY years
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Snow falling. In Australia. In Summer. That is all.
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(why do I care? because I'm sick of foolish ignorance, and that ignorance duping even more folks while the perpetrators of this scheme laugh all the way to the bank. THAT'S WHY. I've posted facts, not opinions, and I'm hoping that will keep the opinion peddlers at bay. Don't care? Fine. Don't read, have a nice day. )

Originally Posted by CountryBoy1981

Its funny how the climate changers are silent when presented record cold weather.

Originally Posted by dana mastro

What is going on on Mars has nothing to do with us um well...

..Evidence is building that Earth life originated on Mars and was brought to this planet aboard a meteorite, said biochemist Steven Benner of The Westheimer Institute for Science and Technology in Florida.

An oxidized form of the element molybdenum, which may have been crucial to the origin of life, was likely available on the Red Planet's surface long ago, but unavailable on Earth, said Benner, who presented his findings today (Aug. 28; Aug. 29 local time) at the annual Goldschmidt geochemistry conference in Florence, Italy. [The Search for Life on Mars (Photo Timeline)]

Originally Posted by harveyc

Andreas, you posted a link to a March 2013 article that explains that some scientists believed that the decline of Arctic ice in the fall of 2013 lead to the cold winter of 2012-2013. Later in this thread it was posted how Arctic ice in August 2013 was greater than the prior two years so use of that article to explain the current cold weather in the USA really doesn't seem appropriate (much less to explain the comment about summer snow in Australia).

Originally Posted by Funkthulhu

Oh, hey, a Climate Change thread with zealots on both sides. How original!

Let's try to keep in mind that the majority (the vast majority) of research being done to disprove anthropogenic climate change is being done by, or funded by, organizations that will lose profit if they are prevented from releasing more CO2 and other greenhouse gasses.

This week's record lows are a direct result of the localized climate change caused by global warming. The destabalized and weakened jet-stream is allowing more arctic air to descend into the lower 48 further and sooner than ever.

In a sense, more heat is more energy. More energy means more powerful storms and "weirder" weather.

And the claim that climate changers are quiet when the temps are low is rather one-sided. Australia is pretty much on fire as it has been every year lately, where are the deniers there? Plus, it only hurts the consensus of the science when you give every body with an opinion equal air time. Do we still listen to people who think the earth is flat? What if everytime NASA launched a satellite we had to get the comments of someone who is mad they will disturb the interplanetary aether?

The global warming/climate change ship has already sailed. There are scientists who are refining the specifics of the theory, but those who matter are not arguing the point anymore. Those who matter are trying to fix the problem. Those who matter are not going to come to this forum thread and argue with people who claim to be "cynics" or "skeptics", but who really ignore every bit of quantifiable, referenced data that conflicts with their pre-conceived "opinion" on the subject.

Those who matter don't have to make you believe, but they're still going to try to save your planet...