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Good Point made. :)
Passion is one thing...just the negativity gets overwhelming...it gets deep in here, get out the shovel, ya know?! :ha:

Diet...is a whole 'nother Forum... homemade cheese...AND BACON!!! OMG!!!
I used to be a BIG girl, haven't bought pasta in over 2 years...:D
(Not an Atkin-ite either)
Now making it...:D
Make your own sausage, grind your own wheat berries, roll out the Atlas...Viola!! Ravioli!
Beats bleached, re-enriched crap ATH!

Back to Whole foods...with your choice of Conventional OR Organic(Soil, Additives or Fertilizer)!

Re-railed!!

Watching with baited breath...and a shovel...:lurk: :) ~Cheryl

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I have to admit that you have opened my eyes to the evils of Monsanto.. It's amazing how much power you can buy with cold hard cash.

As for the craze I'm referring to.. I don't think calling out Monsanto on it's poor business practices falls into that category. I agree with those who are opposed to their actions. The craze I'm referring to are those that imply that organic gardening is the only way and everyone else is destroying the planet. Example: first post in this thread.

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That Michael Pollan article sure is a eye opener!! Scary.
I bought some buffalo meat in PA 2 1/2 yrs ago & heard it is s'posed to be healthier for us. I'm thinking it was raised organically - grass fed. Anyone heard of a hamberger joint called Tallgrass? They only use grassfed beef...& I assume called organic - without all the crap injected into them. Little bit of a gamey taste & similar to buffalo, but good.
Somewhere in the article it mentioned premature adolescence (from hormones) in the cows. This is prolly why my neices & young girls are starting to menstrate at only 8-9 years old! Physically a woman but still playing w/ dolls! It's from eating these cows - scary. I was 13 which was normal then.
Makes me not want to eat beef.

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The "organic lifestyle" craze. A gold mine for advertizers. A prime example of divide-and-conquer-by-fear marketing.

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I somewhat agree that most of the organic market is just a marketing gold mine!

On the beef front my family eats mostly Venison and wild turkey and a lot of fish. I have a huge freezer stocked full of it thanks to my wife's step father and his friends hunting trips all over the country. Just got a huge delivery of lobster tails as well thanks to her relatives yearly month long lobster trip to the keys! hehe

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Yes what happened to OrganicBananac the Originator of this thread

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I don't eat beef--for many of the reasons you listed, but for cardiac health as a main reason. My main red meat is venison I harvest from the woods of the SE.

Hormones are used in growing a lot of animals--I do not know a lot about that, but they are also natural. Estrogen is getting into our drinking water from animal and human sources--it survives sewage processing.

But getting back to organic vs conventional fertilizers, can anyone provide any scientific evidence that conventional --even "man-made" fertilizers contain anything that is harmful (other than in the concentrated form or when applied in excess). We are also not talking about the soil compaction and depletion of organic matter--I think we are all in agreement that some organic matter is necessary and I think we are all adding it.

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My source for venison is my brother - a great hunter. I make a killer venison chili!
I certainly hope that the man made/conventional ferts are harmless. That would be nice to know.

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haha I make a great chili as well that the kids love with my ground venison!

sweet vidalia onion marinade soaked Backstrap on the grill for the win though!

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I have my grandma's old meat grinder - the kind you clamp onto a table & crank, so I grind the meat. Make my own It sausage this way too. My uncle lost a whole finger in it. He was pushing the meat in funnel & my aunt was turning the crank. She didn't know his finger caught as she was turning it. OUCH
Backstraps! Oh yum...never heard of them before 2 years ago. Made on the grill - we cut it with a spoon.
Oops, I think I'm derailing, but the person who started this thread isn't around I guess.

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isn't venison eating organic? hehe

I usually take the back strap cut it into strips wrap it in bacon then marinate it over night... grill it and it just melts in your mouth...

Dang I am gonna take some back strap out of the freezer right now for dinner tomorrow!

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Pull some of that lobster out too. What time is dinner?

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Natural or not, anything that makes an animal so sick that antibiotics must be administered to keep it alive can't be a good thing. Also the amount of antibiotics given to the animals is frightening.

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Much of the venison around here is chemically fed--feeding on chemically grown crops. We use tons of synthetic ammonium nitrate on our food plots--funny thing is the deer will walk right over any unfertilized areas to get to the rich green chemically enhanced grass--I wonder why that is?

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synthetic ammonium nitrate adds a much more robust flavor to all grass? :08:

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Hey! It's still "free-range" meat!

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No chemicals in deer here. They live in highly wooded areas and eat anything. Winter it's bark off the trees. They get in ppls gardens & eat plants & fruits off trees. My brother says when they gut a deer & find corn in their bellies, that means it will be good eating venison. Corn is bad for cows - good for deer I guess.

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Cool. In markets though, meat products advertised as "free range" are not necessarily free of enriched grasses and grains. Aircraft application is popular.

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My guess is that corn is not organically grown--but it definitely makes for better venison! Our food plots contain corn and peas in summer, wheat, oats rye and clover for winter.

I killed a doe 2 yrs ago that had at least an inch of fat on her rump--fattest doe I have ever seen. I process all of my own deer--I cut away every speck of fat. We probably use most of it in tacos and burritos, but chilli and spagetti sauce as well. One of my favorites is cube steak (pounded), coated with bread crumbs and parmesan cheese---fried and used to make a sandwich--awesome!