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After 2 years of discussions, trial formulations, and testing I have ... one pound of 16-8-24 Fruit Fuel! The remainder (several tons) will hopefully arrive by Christmas and I'll offer it for sale in 5 & 25 pound bags.

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Is it water Soluble or Granular? :^)

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It's water soluble and appears to be very stable in ordinary tap water.

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Something to looks forward to after the Holiday.. You would've said New Years would've a new resolution for my banana's.. :^)

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Olaf,
The source you have quoted has overgeneralized the situation. For fruit production in most plants, 2:1:3 is exactly the ratio to obtain maximum production -- provided the combination of minors, micros, and everything else in the environment is excellent as well.

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From all of us.....Thank you for your advice, It is water soluble and very stable in ordinary tap water:woohoonaner:
........and it does not contain hidden micro nutes such as b.s. and h.s. and azomite:08:

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I sent the sample to A & L Western Labs for testing. I should have the results back next week and we'll go from there.

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Woohoo! I have lab tests in hand and we are going into production! When I have product in hand I'll send out another note and it will be available online. :08:

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Looks like I'll have inventory by Christmas.

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ever thought of adding trace minerals so u can have 2 in 1! just a thought I think trace minerals is essential in all happy gardens

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These ones ?


eight micronutrients: boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and nickel (Ni) (1987).

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Calcium-phosphate (Ca-p) instead of (Ca)
Sulfur trioxide (SO3)
Phosphorous pentoxide (P5O5)
And I saw that you had the basic magnesium but could also include a profound break down other materials like
Magnesium oxide (MgO) OR Manganese oxide (Mn2O3)

I might not know much about bananas but im pretty good in chem. and these elements I just realized they were all water soluble some I described cannot be water soluble so I definitely understand why their not there in the first place but you can mix up two together to make the perfect fertilizer most of these elements I described can be in rock dust such as azomite besides the (Ca-P) but I think simply mixing the two will be such a good boost profitable for you and its a WIN WIN situation you put a little extra time we get an incredible product :woohoonaner:

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Congrats, Richard! :bananas_b Gotta respect the time and effort you put into this, hope it takes off for you!

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I'm very happy with the 3 years and $7k I invested in the research and development of this formula. If someone thinks they can do better, then I invite them to do so!
:)

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To make that all worth while: can I be your official first customer? :08:😉 can pre-pay
Mail, drop off or pick-up ...
Happy Thanksgiving!

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Richard, do you recommend your Fruit Fuel for hydroponic use? If so, does it provide a 'complete diet' for bananas or would it need something to complement it?

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It's for plants grown in biologically active soil. For annual fruits (including bananas) grown hydroponically in inert media, check this out:

Hydroponic Annual Fruit

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JISA / Agriculture fertilizers :: Agronutrients :: Fertilizers for agriculture Cristaljisa 16-8-24

so this guy did the same. has the same product but with
Potassium oxide
Phosphorus pentoxide
Ammoniacal nitrogen 9% instead of 4.4%

so this guys did pretty much what I was saying
and he can use it as a Foliar application! more like 3 in 1 ! so sorry you wasted 3 years of your life and 7 k just to make a less working product than the leading fruit enhancing fertilizers :( maybe you should go back to chemistry class. because people who have used this product have also grown the worlds largest tomato's so you cant say his stuff is garbage.....

(K2O2) and tripe super phosphates are the two main ingredient's for a larger production in fruit (makes the flowers bigger to make them produce bigger and better with more lycopene. (sweeter tastier)

here's the formula for nitric a nitrogen compound that will enhance all fruit productions by 16% and what miracle grow company try's to always get there hands on to make super products! its always at a limited supply and so little companies like your self can never get your hands on it 4 NO + O2 + 2 H2O → 4 HNO2

so straight to the point......my teacher is professor Griffiths and he works at the U of I in Moscow and made it very clear to me he said and I quote "its like baking bread with no yeast" :moosenaner: so your product is not bad it will work but don't be thinking your the first person to do this.....im just saying jisa has worked harder and that's been doing it for 15 years rather than 3. so putting 7k is nothing compared to over 30k in what you call research. If I were you I would have spent that money to get into college.

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Boy you sure can tell its not summer no more.... Growing fruit isn't comparable to growing tomato's especially Tomato's to Banana's as much as you'd like to, doesn't make much sense.. :^)

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you are right I don't know much about bananas first time actually but its common sense if you use rock dust,mykos,azos,cal carb, and not just micro elements but all trace minerals and compounded nitrates your going to yelled better fruit no matter what. if its a banana or if its tomato's the best gardener puts everything in its soil. they don't just look at the NPK ratio and calls it good lol that's silly talk in science!

ps: there's just no analysis so he's spent 3 years and doesn't know how much this improves the brick score?

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Not sure this is a little company since
Grow More | A Symbol of Quality

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new fertilizer company's cant get their hands on certain chemicals jisa can miracle grow can and other really old company's and that's why they are still in business with leading brands they try to shut down companys like this and because they are old its old guys get first serve so they purchase all they can get.

and if you can just show all of us the brick count and the difference it gives from your fertilizer and normal application then I wont bother your product....I promise

you can put your product on your bananas all you want but until you get an analysis
you really don't know how beneficial your product really is.

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you can get any fruit analyzed by most colleges and they sometimes even do it for free!
like here in Idaho they even do free soil test for you.

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brix

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brix/brick same thing

just get the stuff analyzed and post the report.


I know I am being rude about this discussion I apologize but if you have proof of what you have (trial formulations, and testing) primarily the testing then people like me that want to purchase stuff over the market/internet wont think this is a scam.

because in all reality I can be on this site for 7 years and found a huge sale on fertilizer and buy it all up and then just say hey guys I made this awesome stuff ill sell to you cheap and its the best stuff you can get........that's my perspective on it

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That reminds of me of one thing.. :^)



They going to get an soil analysis done.. :^)

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Nope. You'll see they are missing some components and the ratios are not the same. I'm also sure the chelation agent is not what we chose.

It is true that fertilizers with this N-P-K (16-8-24) and the complimentary ratio 2:1:3 are in existence -- and for good reason. Certainly my supplier already makes the formula you listed above. But it did not go far enough.

I appreciate your concern :)

I spent 3 decades as a scientist in both the public and private sector and in the evenings taught at 5 universities over the same time span. I have published many papers in my career, both as a primary and joint author. After 9-11 when my employer's clients were killed in the world trade center, I spent a few years trying various vocations and then started my present business.

For this project, I hired 3 PhDs from major agricultural universities, consulted another dozen, paid for trial formulations and lab tests. I think we got it right.
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Are you aware how rude and offensive you're being? You could EASILY engage in this conversation without being so rude, but you've chosen to be impolite, spiteful, and insulting. It's like you're trying to boost your self-esteem by trying to diss Richard and badmouth his contribution.

This is a positive, respectful, good board. I don't want to see it dragged down by that garbage.

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AMEN ! ! ! ! ! our Daisy here needs to unplug her keyboard if uneducated negativity is the only thing on her mind! ;)

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so I will never see those reports huh? okay enjoy buying some placebo fertilizers! I wasn't trying to be rude im trying to help get scams off the web boy.

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Boy are you bored. Go eat some turkey and mellow out :)

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!
:birthdaynana:

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No scams here... I do know using Richard's 15-10-30 helped me produce 12 flower's this year. Which is 3 bunches of fruit off and the rest left up to my Winterization plan.. I've seen what his product does for more than Banana's, whether it be Pineapples, Oranges, Lemon's, Grapefruit, or Olive Trees. Richard isn't new round here.. I don't know why you can't swallow a lil pride and be civil. :^)

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I have to agree with Green Fin. Please be more respectful whatever you post.
On a different note: I have checked Professor Griffith biography and publications. Impressive, but I am not sure that he is a key expert on a topic like this. However, I have send him an Email with an invitation to join the discussion on this forum. Sometimes it just seems better to hear it "straight from the horses mouth" than from someone who has not finished his/her studies yet.

And just my two cents: I am by far no master gardener, but I do try to educate myself as much as I can with some good results. IMO, the best gardeners DO NOT put just everything and anything in the soil, because certain fertilizer and pesticides will harm myself and the environment. Gardening is fun, but I seriously do not care if I have 2 more fruits than my neighbor or the monster "Fair" winning tomato.
Thanks for all you are doing, Richard and Happy Thanksgiving to you, too. You are making a lot more sense then someone trying to make (no) point by using rude comments.

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>>>Richard<<<<
Keep up the good work my friend......My dad always taught me, there's one in every crowd...

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Just as an FYI. Fertilizer is reported as oxides for several nutrients. So even though the label says K2O and P2O5, Richard was probably using fertilizers like diammonium phosphate and potassium nitrate as the actual sources o f P and K. All I will say otherwise is please do not put that phosphorus out in Florida on bananas.

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Let me get a bag when it is available and test it on some of MY OWN plants.

If the results are better then anything else I try, and it is safe to use, I could care less about this argument. Actual results trump theory.

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I use whatever I have laying around

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1 ton of fertilizer (this stuff 16-8-24) is about 500-700bucks per ton
1 ton = 2200 pounds
divide that up in 25 pound bags that 88 bags
lets say I want to sell my 25 pound bags dirt cheap lets say 15 bucks
15 X 88 = 1320 - (500-700) bucks from that 620-820 profit
and that's with me selling 25pound bags. the profit on 5 pound bags is ridiculous! my main variable was the price at (15 bucks per 25 pound bag)!! so in reality if his bags cost more his profit on this is really high. and you have all been buying this for how long?
if i'm spending this much on fertilizer I better get some pixie dust included

when he tells you the price on his bags do this
( PRICE x 88= ? - (500-700) = his profit )

sorry if I made all of you rage on thanksgiving lol goble goble goble.
and saying that he has (several tons) just shows that he bought in BULK so he got even more of a discount. and if he's gonna say he had to buy the materials (500-700$ per ton) at a much higher price. don't be fooled....if he's been a scientist for 30 years and worked in universities like he claims to be then he can get this dirt cheap! :2740: :2740: :2740:

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"I know I am being rude about this discussion"

Period.

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Frankly I don't care to read rude youngsters trying to sound self-important. Dana this isn't Facebook.

Richard, looking forward to your fertilizer. As far as I'm concerned, your professional attitude with 30 yrs experience trumps a hundred rude folks quoting someone they may have talked to in general who doesn't specialize in bananas or fertilizers.

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Contact the Grow More factory. They will give you an exact quote. Note that they only manufacture in pallet quantities.

Actually a U.S. ton is 2000 lbs, so that's 80 bags per pallet.

The factory will not ship the product to you for free, so be sure to figure in the transportation cost.

Other realities you might want to figure into your cost analysis are the cost of packaging, running a web site etc.

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Now all that said, I could really care less if I sell any of it to Bananas.org members. For me, this thread has been about sharing part of my life.

Many of my customers buy by the pallet. On annual average, there are 10k to 30k visitors to my site per day and I have a 0.5% conversion rate.

Dana, I appreciate your desire to protect people from scams. This time though, I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Happy Holidays! :)

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well I messaged media hound, so he can decide if this is a scam or not. because clearly I don't own this site so I have no authority to say what's a scam or not.

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It is not a scam.
We appreciate your concerns, but most of us have done successful business with Richard in the past and for years. I have met him in person as an extremely knowledgeable and dedicated person. His wonderful reputation is not only known here on bananas.org but also at the CRFG and other sources.
No matter what: please be more respectful and choose your words more wisely when posting on this forum.

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Edit: ;)
I will watch this for updates, and avoid antagonizing.

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Dana, you have acknowledged being rude in this discussion. That is not acceptable. Any further discussion with this tone will earn you being awarded a temporary ban. I believe you have made your points already so there is no useful purpose in you continuing the discussion along the lines you've taken.

MediaHound is the owner and administrator of the forum but I do not know his current activity level here and I've been the primary person for handling moderator responsibilities for some time. Of course, MediaHound can overrule any decision I make on the matter if he so chooses.

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Jbyrd: Leave out the "wtf" and the translation is pretty close.

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Thank you Jbyrd for contacting the poor professor. I was going to send him a message but wasn't certain he would get it due to the holidays.

Barely over a hundred posts but calls a long time experienced member who gave his qualifications a "scammer". I know who I would buy from, sell to or want to even talk to.

Richard, since you said the fertilizer is water soluble, does that mean that fertilizers that are dissolved in water first(like how you apply miracle gro type powders) are better or that fertilizers should dissolve in water period to be absorbed better? The special banana fertilizer I bought is granules that you apply as-is.

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This chick is a TROLL. Don't feed the TROLL anymore fertilizer.