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After 2 years of discussions, trial formulations, and testing I have ... one pound of 16-8-24 Fruit Fuel! The remainder (several tons) will hopefully arrive by Christmas and I'll offer it for sale in 5 & 25 pound bags.

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It's water soluble and appears to be very stable in ordinary tap water.
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(several tons) will hopefully arrive by Christmas and I'll offer it for sale in 5 & 25 pound bags.
Something to looks forward to after the Holiday.. You would've said New Years would've a new resolution for my banana's.. :^)
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Hi Richard,

I am afraid that, if you want to put emphasis on greater fruit production 16-08-24 is not
the way to go. While for any part of the plant you need all three components, as a rule
of the thumb, which I have repeatedly posted here, you need to pronounce:
• Nitrogen for leaves and plant mass development
• Phosphates for bloom and fruit
• Potassium for root and plant strength

Do not take my word for it, but look in here: TinyURL.com/27tn754

QUOTE excerpt:
• The first number in a fertilizer formula is the nitrogen content.....
Nitrogen is
used by plants for producing leaf growth and greener, lusher leaves.
The second number in a fertilizer formula is the phosphorus content.....
Phosphorus
is used by plant to increase fruit development and to produce a strong root system.

• The third number in a fertilizer formula is the potassium (potash) content.....
Potassium is used by plants for flower color and size. It is also important to the strength
of the plant.
UNQUOTE

With 16-08-24 you are de-emphasizing fruit development.
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The source you have quoted has overgeneralized the situation. For fruit production in most plants, 2:1:3 is exactly the ratio to obtain maximum production -- provided the combination of minors, micros, and everything else in the environment is excellent as well.
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It's water soluble and appears to be very stable in ordinary tap water.
From all of us.....Thank you for your advice, It is water soluble and very stable in ordinary tap water
........and it does not contain hidden micro nutes such as b.s. and h.s. and azomite
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I sent the sample to A & L Western Labs for testing. I should have the results back next week and we'll go from there.
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Woohoo! I have lab tests in hand and we are going into production! When I have product in hand I'll send out another note and it will be available online.
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Looks like I'll have inventory by Christmas.

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ever thought of adding trace minerals so u can have 2 in 1! just a thought I think trace minerals is essential in all happy gardens
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ever thought of adding trace minerals so u can have 2 in 1! just a thought I think trace minerals is essential in all happy gardens
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eight micronutrients: boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and nickel (Ni) (1987).
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Calcium-phosphate (Ca-p) instead of (Ca)
Sulfur trioxide (SO3)
Phosphorous pentoxide (P5O5)
And I saw that you had the basic magnesium but could also include a profound break down other materials like
Magnesium oxide (MgO) OR Manganese oxide (Mn2O3)

I might not know much about bananas but im pretty good in chem. and these elements I just realized they were all water soluble some I described cannot be water soluble so I definitely understand why their not there in the first place but you can mix up two together to make the perfect fertilizer most of these elements I described can be in rock dust such as azomite besides the (Ca-P) but I think simply mixing the two will be such a good boost profitable for you and its a WIN WIN situation you put a little extra time we get an incredible product
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Looks like I'll have inventory by Christmas.

Congrats, Richard! Gotta respect the time and effort you put into this, hope it takes off for you!
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I'm very happy with the 3 years and $7k I invested in the research and development of this formula. If someone thinks they can do better, then I invite them to do so!
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To make that all worth while: can I be your official first customer? 😉 can pre-pay
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Richard, do you recommend your Fruit Fuel for hydroponic use? If so, does it provide a 'complete diet' for bananas or would it need something to complement it?
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JISA / Agriculture fertilizers :: Agronutrients :: Fertilizers for agriculture Cristaljisa 16-8-24

so this guy did the same. has the same product but with
Potassium oxide
Phosphorus pentoxide
Ammoniacal nitrogen 9% instead of 4.4%

so this guys did pretty much what I was saying
and he can use it as a Foliar application! more like 3 in 1 ! so sorry you wasted 3 years of your life and 7 k just to make a less working product than the leading fruit enhancing fertilizers maybe you should go back to chemistry class. because people who have used this product have also grown the worlds largest tomato's so you cant say his stuff is garbage.....

(K2O2) and tripe super phosphates are the two main ingredient's for a larger production in fruit (makes the flowers bigger to make them produce bigger and better with more lycopene. (sweeter tastier)

here's the formula for nitric a nitrogen compound that will enhance all fruit productions by 16% and what miracle grow company try's to always get there hands on to make super products! its always at a limited supply and so little companies like your self can never get your hands on it 4 NO + O2 + 2 H2O → 4 HNO2

so straight to the point......my teacher is professor Griffiths and he works at the U of I in Moscow and made it very clear to me he said and I quote "its like baking bread with no yeast" so your product is not bad it will work but don't be thinking your the first person to do this.....im just saying jisa has worked harder and that's been doing it for 15 years rather than 3. so putting 7k is nothing compared to over 30k in what you call research. If I were you I would have spent that money to get into college.

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