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Richard 05-27-2014 12:43 AM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 245477)
Richard, I remembered that you were using the Dosatron products. I am just fine with my 5 gallon water bucket and measuring out my fruit fuel with a measure cup.

Having been to your house, I would say that method is a good match to the number of plants you are feeding.

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Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 245477)
However, one neighbor was walking by and suggesting to use something like the Miracle Gro garden feeder. I personally think that would not be that precise than my more work intensive water bucket, but would like to get your input on this.

The Miracle Gro Marketing Corp. actually has two dispenser products, one made for their Miracle Gro fertilizer packets and the other labeled "Ortho Dial N' Spray". The latter is a good product for dispensing liquids (I use it for pesticides) but otherwise a pain-in-the-calculator for your application.

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Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 245477)
My newly planted fruit trees and the banana pups I got from you last fall are getting half of what my big established banana mats get (one bucket vs two for the mats)but I strongly feel that the mats could use even more....Sure it would be nice to make it less labor intensive, but so far my labor has always paid of compared to the neighbors yard ;) But a Dosatron is out of my budget.

Yes, the Dosatron is an investment in infrastructure. You could consider the Grow More fertilizer injector (requires investment in a 5+ gallon bucket): Grow More 1:15 Siphon Mixer, 0.75-inch shrink wrap. I use this inline for my Vacciniums and Orchids.

crazy banana 05-27-2014 12:54 AM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
Well, no investment needed in another 5 gallon water bucket....
For now, I think I will stick with it, but next time I stock up on my fruit fuel, I will check back with you on the Siphon Mixer....
Btw: my new trees and the banana plants love the fruit fuel.

CGameProgrammer 05-27-2014 05:42 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
Sorry if I missed it but what do you charge for this fertilizer and how often or in what quantity do you recommend it to be applied?

Richard 05-27-2014 06:37 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer (Post 245505)
Sorry if I missed it but what do you charge for this fertilizer and how often or in what quantity do you recommend it to be applied?

Here's the details

Water-soluble version (recommended): Grow More 16-8-24 Fruit Fuel, 5-pound bag

Organic gardening version: Grow More Organic Fruit Fuel, 4.5-pound pail

CGameProgrammer 06-04-2014 11:58 AM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
I opened my newly-received bag of this fertilizer yesterday but it was clumped together like hard clay; obviously a lot of moisture had got in. Is it worthless or should it still be capable of doing its job? The clumps can be broken up by hand and most of the tablespoon I used dissolved in a gallon of cold water without any stirring. The color when dissolved in water was brown.

Richard 06-04-2014 01:31 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer (Post 245989)
I opened my newly-received bag of this fertilizer yesterday but it was clumped together like hard clay; obviously a lot of moisture had got in. Is it worthless or should it still be capable of doing its job? The clumps can be broken up by hand and most of the tablespoon I used dissolved in a gallon of cold water without any stirring. The color when dissolved in water was brown.

Actually, the only water in the bag was from the manufacturing process. The Calcium content in the fertilizer causes it to set. There is nothing wrong with the product, and as you noticed it is easily reduced to powder. The initial color of the product is grey, but will color the water brown due to the iron content.

Abnshrek 06-04-2014 01:44 PM

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Mine looked black almost in my auto-feeder, but I'm sure it works just as well as blue (Banana Fuel).. :^)

CGameProgrammer 06-04-2014 01:45 PM

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That's a relief! Thanks. I got concerned because I have a different Grow-More soluble fertilizer that is truly a powder so I assumed they all would be.

Abnshrek 06-04-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer (Post 246001)
That's a relief! Thanks. I got concerned because I have a different Grow-More soluble fertilizer that is truly a powder so I assumed they all would be.

Banana Fuel did the same thing except got alot harder, but reduces in water really well.. :^)

austinl01 06-04-2014 11:06 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
Just wondering why the fuel wasn't made as granular as well?

Richard 06-05-2014 01:13 AM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by austinl01 (Post 246048)
Just wondering why the fuel wasn't made as granular as well?

The Organic Fruit Fuel is in granular form.

Worm_Farmer 06-28-2014 02:44 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 246049)
The Organic Fruit Fuel is in granular form.

Will the Organic be available in a bigger bag soon?

Richard 06-28-2014 04:00 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by Worm_Farmer (Post 247808)
Will the Organic be available in a bigger bag soon?

Grow More would typically package granular in 15-lb and 50-lb bags. I am considering 20-lb. Do you have a preference?

GreenFin 06-28-2014 04:16 PM

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I think we should add Fruit Fuel to the list of "Nursery Fertilizers" on the wiki: Info:Fertilizer - Bananas Wiki

On a more general note, is it ok to fertilize transplanted bananas before they start actively growing again? Or is it better to wait for them to resume growth before adding the fertilizer?

Richard 06-28-2014 04:56 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by GreenFin (Post 247820)
... is it ok to fertilize transplanted bananas before they start actively growing again? Or is it better to wait for them to resume growth before adding the fertilizer?

If they have roots, yes -- provided the dosage is appropriate for the plant size and season.

Worm_Farmer 06-28-2014 06:33 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 247819)
Grow More would typically package granular in 15-lb and 50-lb bags. I am considering 20-lb. Do you have a preference?

IDK what shipping would cost on 50lb, but I could use 50lb a year. And that is not even on the bananas.

Richard 06-30-2014 08:57 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by Worm_Farmer (Post 247826)
IDK what shipping would cost on 50lb, but I could use 50lb a year. And that is not even on the bananas.

In terms of nutrients that plants receive: 50 lbs of 4-4-7 Organic Fruit Fuel is equal to 12.5 lbs of water-soluble 16-8-24 Fruit Fuel. (Aside: the 4-4-7 has higher proportion of P and K because a portion of these will be bound up in the soil in a granular application.)

So in your situation, a 25-lb bag of 16-8-24 would be sufficient for your entire garden for a year. This ships anywhere in the U.S. by USPS LFRB (large flat rate box) for $15.80.

Worm_Farmer 07-04-2014 10:09 AM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 247980)
In terms of nutrients that plants receive: 50 lbs of 4-4-7 Organic Fruit Fuel is equal to 12.5 lbs of water-soluble 16-8-24 Fruit Fuel. (Aside: the 4-4-7 has higher proportion of P and K because a portion of these will be bound up in the soil in a granular application.)

So in your situation, a 25-lb bag of 16-8-24 would be sufficient for your entire garden for a year. This ships anywhere in the U.S. by USPS LFRB (large flat rate box) for $15.80.

I was assuming I would use the granular 2 - 3 times a year. I prefer soil building over liquid. Mostly because Liquid needs to be reapplied every 1 - 2 weeks and I just havent had the time for that. Granular is just a easy way for me to be a little lazy.

Richard 07-04-2014 01:24 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
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Originally Posted by Worm_Farmer (Post 248188)
I was assuming I would use the granular 2 - 3 times a year.

That's how most people use the water-soluble.

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Originally Posted by Worm_Farmer (Post 248188)
I prefer soil building over liquid.

Once a garden patch has been inoculated with soil microbes it is good for 7-10 years.

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Originally Posted by Worm_Farmer (Post 248188)
Mostly because Liquid needs to be reapplied every 1 - 2 weeks

That's not true. The dosage is per month, which can be doubled or tripled and applied every 2 or 3 months during the growing season. People who apply more frequently to a large garden do so because they have an injection system.

For injection systems, the EZ-Flo is very expensive and very poorly rated (except by company advertisers). The Dosatron systems are about 2/3 the cost of EZ-Flo, used professionally for decades, and for a large garden will pay for themselves over the cost of organic granular vs. complete water-soluble in 1 to 2 years. For smaller gardens a siphon mixer with a 5 gallon bucket is the way to go.

Worm_Farmer 07-04-2014 04:28 PM

Re: Fruit Fuel
 
I have been using a 55 gal Barrel as my mix batch and pumping it throught my sprinklers. I was using it quite often. Now that my sprinklers are not working correctly I was going to do 1 cup per 5 gal bucket per plant or matt.

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Once a garden patch has been inoculated with soil microbes it is good for 7-10 years.
Should be, but with City water, plant feeding, leechin gout and if I use other chemical fertlizer I like to always replace. I notice a difference so I do like to go that route still.

I am one of "Those" that are trying to push off "Chemical" based fertlizers.


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