Tog Tan

Ok, guys, friends, I will have the last say...

We are all now in the process of learning something new about this little known plant. So far not many people have offered the sds for sale. We think it's rare. Remember my other posts about the rare Callimusa from here? Point is, any particular species is not rare in its natural habitat and is abundant in forms, colors, and what crap not. What one person obtain from one area may be different from another person getting the materials from another place. Scientifically I am wrong when I reported I saw Musa violascens with 8ft p-stem height. Official papers says 5.5-6ft. I didn't just see them, I stood next to them. So, let's grow these plts and see for ourselves.

The people who have posted on this Thread shows they are the people who care in the interest of species 'naners. Otherwise they would not have bothered to post. We learn from each other. As I feel I know each of the guys on this thread in a way, we said what we had to because we all share the same interest. Bloody rite, guys?

So...chill and wait for me to post pix as they grow.... Meanwhile, have a gud day!

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Chironex

I will grow these out too, just to determine what they are. (provided that I can get them to germinate) It does seem odd that no one has ever reported smooth E perrieri seeds in all of the historical banana taxomony, except for the wholesaler who sold them to Markus.

If anything, Markus you might want to question the wholesaler in more detail about the seed. Perhaps he got them mis-labeled or put them in the wrong bags.

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Hace

The E Perrieri seeds I own are also smooth and a little smaller than the E ventricosum seeds. Almost all of the 50 seeds have sprouted in 2 weeks.

Tog Tan

Hi Hace, only time will tell... On the brighter side, I am pretty excited about the true identity of these very vigorous sprouters. Ok, here, before I begin, my thoughts are that of an inquisitive layman...

Madagascar is a very big place. The E per is not well known as it is not a viable commercial food source. Even if we hit the net, we can hardly get good images or info on it. We don't know the exact extent of its range in Mada. We do not know the varieties/forms of it. Even in the well known species such as the M acuminata complex not many experts will put their reputation on a debate. In the case of the M-a complex, it's just too complex with a very wide range of distribution!

The seed game, is what I call a game of believe; we believe the seed seller, the seed seller believes the seed wholeseller, the seed wholeseller believes the collector. If any one is to be at fault, it it is the person standing at the end of this chain. The only way to look at it is that he may be dishonest or not knowledgeable. People like us just got caught along the way. In this case, I feel there is much to rejoice as this sd germinates so well. Rite? Just grow them and compare notes. It should be very interesting.

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Jeff

Hi Scot, It's been almost two years since I ordered those seeds, so my memory is a little fuzzy. They were part of a large order of 1700 seeds! I ordered seeds of 16 different palm species (100 of each) plus the 100 E. perrieri seeds, so I was on seed overload at the time!

I do remember looking at the ensete seeds and confirming that they matched the description we have all read about. In looking at all the seed photos, I would say that the ones you posted in post#37 look the most familiar to me.

I wish I had taken some photos of them!

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bdollarbill

I just wanted to chime in on this thread as I have some seeds I got from member on the B.org I had 0 success rate as well. I decided to perform surgery on one of the seeds, not soaked or attempted to grow just to see if it was a viable seed here what the inside looked like. White fine grained powder, looked like cocaine, well what cocaine would look like if I had ever seen it lol.. My wife did a double take when she came down & saw it on my desk..had litlle splaining to do.

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LilRaverBoi

Wow...WTF? That's crazy! Guess you just stumbled upon a secret method of cocaine distribution! LOL. "Hmm....those seeds did seem a bit overpriced"

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Chironex

Bill, that's what all of them look like. Even the fresh seeds from PNG had a powdery endosperm. In fact most banana seeds are that way.

How long were they in soil? I still have some from several months ago that are still in the dirt. Others have said it took over a year, as I recall.

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bdollarbill

I am quite the experimentalist, I left them in the germination station for over 4-5 month's & nothing I separated one of the non planted seeds just to see if it had any sign's of life. Surprised to hear they are all that way I am a newbie to banana growing from seeds but surely thought there was something missing in this seed. Maybe I'll leave them a bit longer or throw them in the yard now that frost is gone.

Take care,
Bill

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Chironex

I believe that my first Ingens and E. perrieri seeds were sown last July or August. They are still in the germinator. I have others scattered about in various media now for 4 months. One of these is going to pop. But I am not holding my breath as to when.

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