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Banana Seed Germination Forum As one of the toughest seeds in the plant kingdom to figure out the keys to germination success with, this is a forum with banana seed germination tips. Please entitle posts like "Musa balbisiana," or "Musa cheesmani," etc. People would then post a reply under that heading, sharing their germination successes (and failures), what materials and methods they used, germination percentage, etc.


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Old 02-24-2009, 02:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok guys and gals, I finally got my dream seeds and my dream just came thru! It was love at first sight when I saw a pix of this plant. It's a MUST have for me. But then I missed the boat in getting them until I got to know Markus Senger. I got a bunch of 650 sds from Markus who is also a member here and is also a seed seller. Thanks Markus!

Here's what I did;

1. I soaked them in tap water for 2 days and then on the 3rd day, I used a mild acidic water for 24hrs.

2. The experimental lot of 30 sds were then sown into a clear plastic deli box with moist seed mix and then sealed.

3. I left it on my germination rack which is outside my balcony and is sheltered from sun and rain.

4. The temp recorded was high 90F in the day and approx 80F at night.

5. First sign of germination was after 12 days.

Simple? So...go do it!

I will update with pix when the total tally is final.
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Old 02-24-2009, 03:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Oh man! I have been trying for months to get one to germinate! Markus, if you have some more seeds.........
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How many seeds sprouted from the 30 planted?
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How many seeds sprouted from the 30 planted?
Gabe, will update with pix when they stop sprouting. For me here, most Ensete's come up in a rush and then they stop. I find that the best temp here in enclosed clear plastic deli containers they do best around day temp 0f 90+F and night 80F. Any hotter, they go dormant. Cooler, very few come up. If the sds are stored in the fridge and then germinated, very low %. I now store all my sds at room temp which is about 80+F.

With the temp range mentioned above and viable sds, I get up to 70% germn rate with Ensete.
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Congrats Andrew! I have a bunch of these guys and I just luv them. Contrary to belief I find that they germinate with higher heat. I have tried both ways and clearly I get better results if the germ temp is about 100+F. They do very well in a loose soil media with lots of water here. I tried a bunch of seedlings in a more compact water retaining media and they started to crash out after a month.
All the best.

Tog, I'm trying ensete ventricosum and I had them at 80 degrees. You posted the above and I increased to just over 100. Now your saying their toast? I really don't mind the failure but just would like to pin down the right temp. Two germinated at 80 none so far at 100 including two separate batches.

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Congrats Andrew! I have a bunch of these guys and I just luv them. Contrary to belief I find that they germinate with higher heat. I have tried both ways and clearly I get better results if the germ temp is about 100+F. They do very well in a loose soil media with lots of water here. I tried a bunch of seedlings in a more compact water retaining media and they started to crash out after a month.
All the best.

Tog, I'm trying ensete ventricosum and I had them at 80 degrees. You posted the above and I increased to just over 100. Now your saying their toast? I really don't mind the failure but just would like to pin down the right temp. Two germinated at 80 none so far at 100 including two separate batches.

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Sorry for the confusion here Michael. I did not state clearly that I put the deli box in full hot sun during the day. The sds all went dormant. I think the temp is at least 120+F inside the box. At the 90+F to low 100F they did ok for me. I hope this clears up.
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Ok thanks Mr Tan. So at 100 I'd be ok but it sounds that in your recent success that maybe 90 is better and that they are not toast unless they hit like 120. Thanks for all your help. I've had 100+ seeds as far back as December and had 2 germinate so it get a little frustrating. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Ok thanks Mr Tan. So at 100 I'd be ok but it sounds that in your recent success that maybe 90 is better and that they are not toast unless they hit like 120. Thanks for all your help. I've had 100+ seeds as far back as December and had 2 germinate so it get a little frustrating. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hey Michael, not only you, I didn't get good results with the first 100 I bought, like 4/100. Then I got a second batch and it was like 40%. I feel due to the demand of this as an ornamental, the seeds were collected over a period of time like up to a year and then only shipped to the seed dealers. I was jus talking to one of the seed dealers and he told me about the Musa sikkimensis var Red Tiger sds which were also done like this. This is another @#%##@ I am #@%$@ about! And please, Mr. Tan? Sheesh......
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Yea I think a lot of it is the seeds. You see many failures here and then all of a sudden someone here has em popping all over. I opened one of the the EV's and the embryo didn't look quite right. But even with the low germination rate I'd had its still better that I'm doing in the stock market. But I don't wanna talk about that. lol

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Bravo Tog!!!
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Nice one Tog!

However I'm a little concerned to read that my musa sikkimensis red tiger seeds may well be duds! Most displeased about that state of affairs. :-(
I thought RPS supply fresh viable seed. Booooohooooo

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Nice one Tog!

However I'm a little concerned to read that my musa sikkimensis red tiger seeds may well be duds! Most displeased about that state of affairs. :-(
I thought RPS supply fresh viable seed. Booooohooooo
Hey James, I don't think its rps though. I always buy in lots of 100sds and sometimes none will germinate. Examples are M siamensis, M coccinea, M sp Royal purple, M yunnanensis and a couple more.

There are seed collectors who want to make a fast buck and they tend to stockpile the sds before shipping. Seed cleaning, even if they use a chemical to help out is a tedious process so I guess they do it till a big number is done before shipping to the seed sellers who then advertise them as 'new' or 'fresh'. I have a contact who will get the M sikkimensis sds freshly collected in Nov this year. So I guess the wait is worth it.

To console you, I have like 300 sds of the both the M sikkimensis varieties just sitting there for more than a year now. According to my source, his freshly collected sds of the M sikkimensis normally germinate in a couple of weeks and some come up as fast as 9 days. Gotta check this out then... For me, the Red Tiger variety is a must have, so I don't heck care how many kilos of the sds I am gonna go thru...
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Nice, Tog! Are these old seeds, or fresh ones? Does he have any more?? Can't wait for your pics!

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Nice, Tog! Are these old seeds, or fresh ones? Does he have any more?? Can't wait for your pics!

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Markus only purchase freshly collected sds from his source for sale. He just got a bunch of the Musa sp NEU Violett besides other stuff. You can contact him at ;

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Just tell him you are my buddy and he will charge you more and give me my cut....just kidding!

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I have a few M sikkimensis I got from Whatcom that I planted on 12/13 and it looks like 2 are about to pop. Anyway, they have some white stuff coming out their pukie holes.
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Well I've seen names for all parts of the seed but never the hole that it comes out of so I gave it a scientific name.


Ok I looked it up and I guess it was already named "hilum"

Sorry thought I was gonna gonna go down in history as the guy that named that hole that the embryo comes out of.

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Well I've seen names for all parts of the seed but never the hole that it comes out of so I gave it a scientific name.
For proper enunciation, is that with a hard u, as in Duke or a soft u as in Duck?
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Well it's defiantly a hard U as in Duke.

But in all honesty this was Doctor Tan's thread and its very exciting that he has successfully germinated the Ensette Perriei and I look forward to see the progress and congratulate him.
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