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Old 02-26-2009, 12:43 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Well it's defiantly a hard U as in Duke.

But in all honesty this was Doctor Tan's thread and its very exciting that he has successfully germinated the Ensette Perriei and I look forward to see the progress and congratulate him.
Hey Mike, just for laughs, if you to say pukie here in M'sia, in local Bahasa Pasar or Market/Rough Malay, it means f@#*! Howzat? And your complete line is pukie hole!
I would love to see the look on the faces of the Malays here when you tell them about the pukie hole and banana
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That is hilarious Tog. I had this elderly client once. She was all prim and proper. She often talked of her deceased husband and his term of endearment for her was "Pukie Dear". If she only knew what he was calling her all those years. lol Gotta run wife in the other room is calling me. Watcha need Pukie Dear?

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Well done Tog, I'm pleased for you. I know you said in one of your PMs that you wanted these Sooooo badly. If I stuck them outside here in a box they would freeze

Even my pre set Propogators do not get that warm.

Don't forget them pictures mate.
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That was hilarious!
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Ok guys and gals, I finally got my dream seeds and my dream just came thru! It was love at first sight when I saw a pix of this plant. It's a MUST have for me. But then I missed the boat in getting them until I got to know Markus Senger. I got a bunch of 650 sds from Markus who is also a member here and is also a seed seller. Thanks Markus!

Here's what I did;

1. I soaked them in tap water for 2 days and then on the 3rd day, I used a mild acidic water for 24hrs.

2. The experimental lot of 30 sds were then sown into a clear plastic deli box with moist seed mix and then sealed.

3. I left it on my germination rack which is outside my balcony and is sheltered from sun and rain.

4. The temp recorded was high 90F in the day and approx 80F at night.

5. First sign of germination was after 12 days.

Simple? So...go do it!

I will update with pix when the total tally is final.
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Why I got so many sds? Didn't you notice? I am an Ensete Nut!
Tog I was reading back through this thread and was wondering what the "mild acidic water" is? I don't remember who but I read they use orange juice as a soak.

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Tog I was reading back through this thread and was wondering what the "mild acidic water" is? I don't remember who but I read they use orange juice as a soak.

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Hi Michael, my sisters use a water filter (I don't know the technology of it) and it can filter out normal drinking water, alkaline water and a mildly acidic water from the tap. This is the first time I used the acidic water from this filtration system and I got pretty good results on a couple of species in germination.

I thought it will help to recreate the gastric juices when the sds go through an animal's intestinal tract.
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Rain water should be mildly acidic due to the carbon dioxide dissolved in it. Or failing that fizzy water will be mildly acidic.
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Here it is folks, meet the new kids on the block!


This is a top view shot. This just another 9 days after my initial post making it a total of 21 days since it sprouted! So far 21/30. Really fantastic!


As you can see from the pix, the vigorous root growth and they are still sprouting below.

I will keep them in an enclosed clear plastic bag till they get the 2nd leaf out on every plant before transplanting. By then it will be hell getting them out! I normally cut the roots as carefully as possible. I hope it will give y'all the encouragement to do it!
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You cannot believe how envious I am right now! I have been trying for months to get one seed to germinate.
But... I just received 70 seeds from your guy in Germany, so with any luck, I will be joining the E.p. club soon. One thing I noticed about these seeds is that they are much larger and the outside is far smoother than the previous seeds I had. These are much fresher and my hope is renewed.
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Very very nice Tog!!!
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Tog,

I saw the bananas in your gallery that you have been busy germinating, very nice! Are those deli containers that you are using? I have seen plans to use rubber-maid clear storage containers to root and germinate in. Your containers stacked up is interesting, can you stack multiple rows without causing effects on the plants?(reduced light)

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Old 03-05-2009, 01:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I saw the bananas in your gallery that you have been busy germinating, very nice! Are those deli containers that you are using? I have seen plans to use rubber-maid clear storage containers to root and germinate in. Your containers stacked up is interesting, can you stack multiple rows without causing effects on the plants?(reduced light)

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Hi Michael,

1. Yep, deli boxes. I prefer them than open trays as I don't have to monitor the humidity which is the most important factor for me here. The ambient temp here is ideal for germn.

2. Multiple rows? As long as the new sdlg's height is not higher than the lid. I tend to shift them around as they grow. The light level of my germn area is quite even so there is no problem. Once the new sdlg hits the lid, the box is put into a zip lock clear plastic bag till they get the 2nd leaf. When in this situation, they are moved to another area which there is sufficient light. Once they develop the 2nd leaf, they are then potted.

I do germn of 'naners and palms as part of my monthly seedling program for my nursery. I have a quota of germinating a minimum of 1,000 sds a month. Fun! Repotting, not fun.....

I hope the answers help.
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2 weeks ago I've sow about 50 seeds (after soaking them 1,5 day, and 15 minutes in 1/10 bleach). And today about 50% of them have sprouted!

I've sow them in a plastic box, with a relative high humidity at about 33 degrees celcius.

It was my first try, so I'm happy
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You cannot believe how envious I am right now! I have been trying for months to get one seed to germinate.
But... I just received 70 seeds from your guy in Germany, so with any luck, I will be joining the E.p. club soon. One thing I noticed about these seeds is that they are much larger and the outside is far smoother than the previous seeds I had. These are much fresher and my hope is renewed.
That could be bad news...according to Toby Spanner of RPS:

The species is easy to tell apart from the seeds as they are distinctly warty, not smooth.

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If you have smooth seeds, then they are probably something else completely.
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Indeed, Frank you are absolutely correct. I wanted to post the photos to see if anyone else thought the same. These are clearly Ensete ventricosum seeds. Well, back to the seller I go. Hey Tog, did your E. perrieri seeds look like mine?
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[quote=Chironex; Indeed, Frank you are absolutely correct. I wanted to post the photos to see if anyone else thought the same. These are clearly Ensete ventricosum seeds. Well, back to the seller I go. Hey Tog, did your E. perrieri seeds look like mine?[/QUOTE]

Haha... Of course mine looked like yours. We got them from the same source. I just reread the rps seed review and it says wartier. Scot, you stil have the rps E per sd for comparison?

I haven't seen an E per sd so... Anyway when I checked against all my other 3 sp E gla, E ven and E liv, it's closest to the E liv. I have written to Markus and asked him about his source. He should get back soon. I don't think it's his fault in this. Let's see what happens.

On the brighter side, I heck got lots of this very good sprouting seed, still about 600!
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Tog, this is what they should look like. I was nice to Markus, and not angry at all. Just wanted to get some fresh E. perrieri seeds.
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Hello everybody!

Iīm Markus. My friend Tog has just send me an E-Mail and has told me that here in the forum are strong doubts about the authenticity of my Ensete perrieri seeds.

Usually I do not write something in this forum because I can not speak so good English and canīt express me so good. But I see the good reputation of our company in danger.

Scot you have sent me two E-Mails that you wants the paid money for the seeds back because you say they are usuall Ensete ventricosum seeds. This is no problem for me.
I have already tried to send the whole amount back, but you donīt accept PayPal Payment from outside the USA. Please change this and I will send you the money back immediatelly. I hope you send the seeds back to me as soon as I have send you them. I sold the seeds as they have been delivered to me in trust of their authenticity. I whould not cheat you for your 8€ for 70 E. perrieri seeds?
First I have to say that I am a bit irritated and dissapointed to read in this forum that it is a fact that as thought I have send seeds on a wrong name. In this thread my E-Mail adress is listed and everybody could have talked about doubts of the authenticity of the seeds with me.

I have received the seeds from a gentleman who is a seed wholesaller and I have his verification of their authenticity. The following is what he has wrote to me:

The seeds are from a controlled nursery in Madagascar. They have collected them in the wild. The government of madagascar controlled them to produce the seeds in mass production.
Ensete perrieri seeds have only been on the market one time a few years ago, itīs not possible to judge this seeds on them.
It is correct that E.perrieri seeds are a bit smaller than E. ventricosum seeds.
But also the seeds of some E. perrieri plants have a smooth shell.
The form of E. ventricosum and E. perrieri is different.
To see that I have attached a photo. I hope you can see the picture.
On the left side you can see E. ventricosum seeds on the right side you can see E. perrieri seeds as comparison.

Tog in good faith says he will grow them to verify the species.

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Hi Markus,

I hope you don't think I was bad-mouthing you or your company! I was only making an observation about Scot's comment about the seeds being smooth, based on what I had read by Toby on another thread. Here's the original description of the seeds by Fawcett in 1913:

Seeds numerous, black, 1/3 in. or 8.3 mm. in diameter, irregularly ovoid, warty, with a large hilum and a depressed micropyle.
(Fawcett 1913 and ?).
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Iīm Markus. My friend Tog has just send me an E-Mail and has told me that here in the forum are strong doubts about the authenticity of my Ensete perrieri seeds.

Usually I do not write something in this forum because I can not speak so good English and canīt express me so good. But I see the good reputation of our company in danger.

Scot you have sent me two E-Mails that you wants the paid money for the seeds back because you say they are usuall Ensete ventricosum seeds. This is no problem for me.
I have already tried to send the whole amount back, but you donīt accept PayPal Payment from outside the USA. Please change this and I will send you the money back immediatelly. I hope you send the seeds back to me as soon as I have send you them. I sold the seeds as they have been delivered to me in trust of their authenticity. I whould not cheat you for your 8€ for 70 E. perrieri seeds?
First I have to say that I am a bit irritated and dissapointed to read in this forum that it is a fact that as thought I have send seeds on a wrong name. In this thread my E-Mail adress is listed and everybody could have talked about doubts of the authenticity of the seeds with me.

I have received the seeds from a gentleman who is a seed wholesaller and I have his verification of their authenticity. The following is what he has wrote to me:

The seeds are from a controlled nursery in Madagascar. They have collected them in the wild. The government of madagascar controlled them to produce the seeds in mass production.
Ensete perrieri seeds have only been on the market one time a few years ago, itīs not possible to judge this seeds on them.
It is correct that E.perrieri seeds are a bit smaller than E. ventricosum seeds.
But also the seeds of some E. perrieri plants have a smooth shell.
The form of E. ventricosum and E. perrieri is different.
To see that I have attached a photo. I hope you can see the picture.
On the left side you can see E. ventricosum seeds on the right side you can see E. perrieri seeds as comparison.

Tog in good faith says he will grow them to verify the species.

Thank you.
Markus, no one, myself included, has said anything bad about you or your company. I did not know what your username was on this site and Tog sent your email address to me.
You received 2 emails because I sent one from Yahoo, and the other from eBay to be certain that you knew of the issue for your eBay offering to avoid future problems.

I asked you in both emails to refund or provide the correct seeds. No big deal, just want to gt the correct seeds. I have to say that neither of the seeds in your post look like E perrieri to me when compared with my photo of E. perrieri seeds. If your wholesaler is selling these as E. perrieri, perhaps this is a different subspecies as the seeds do not match the accepted description from accepted taxonomists. If this is the case, then I apologize.

I have decided to just keep the seeds rather than incur additional shipping charges. Mistakes can happenand as I said in my previous post, I am not angry. Tog and I discussed this. In fact, Tog defended you and your company. All is forgiven.

There are some people on this site who have E perrieri grown from seeds. Perhaps they (Jeff) will be able to tell us what the seeds look like with more certainty.
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