Musa Pisang Ceylon - Page 3

Hammocked Banana · 12-13-2014, 11:42 AM

Resistant means that is generally less susceptible to getting the disease. Immune means it could never get it.

Cikas33 · 12-13-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Resistant means that is generally less susceptible to getting the disease.
Immune means it could never get it.

Immunity by definition is a disease resistance. immune is the same as resistant.

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Immunity, resistance of an organism to infection or disease

Immunity ( immunitatem ) is a word of latin origin, and basically means resistance

Hammocked Banana · 12-13-2014, 12:32 PM

Immunity means resisance, but resistance does not necessarily mean immunity.

Richard · 12-14-2014, 01:33 AM

Immune - Merriam Webster

: not capable of being affected by a disease

: not influenced or affected by something

: having special protection from something that is required for most people by law

PR-Giants · 12-14-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Julian

Who is the designer? It does not come with BSV but I am wondering if you can still catch it?

BSMysV is integrated in the genome of the Pisang Ceylan.

Cavendish can catch BSMysV, which is severe compared to BSVCav.

PR-Giants · 12-14-2014, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Immunity means resisance, but resistance does not necessarily mean immunity.

I agree, there are different levels to resistant.

HR - Highly Resistant

PR - Partially Resistant

I've never seen "Partially Immune" written in any journals.

Cikas33 · 12-14-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Immunity means resisance, but resistance does not necessarily mean immunity.

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Originally Posted by Richard

Immune - Merriam Webster

: not capable of being affected by a disease

: not influenced or affected by something

: having special protection from something that is required for most people by law

As an medical technician and someone who is studying biology in college, I know what immune means.

Immunity, resistance of an organism to infection or disease

Resistent = immune

Partially resistant ( Half resistant ) = Partially Immune

When I speak about Pisang Ceylon, this specific cultivar can not be infected with BSV.

More about Pisang Ceylon in this articles.

The Improvement and Testing of Musa - Google Knjige

http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/download/pdf/12104267.pdf

http://iita.titaninternet.co.uk/cms/...es/440-448.pdf

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...79908130,d.bGQ

Cikas33 · 12-14-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

I agree, there are different levels to resistant.

HR - Highly Resistant

PR - Partially Resistant

I've never seen "Partially Immune" written in any journals.

Actually "Partially Immune" is a term that exist in biology and medicine.

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

BSMysV is integrated in the genome of the Pisang Ceylan.

Cavendish can catch BSMysV, which is severe compared to BSVCav.

It is not.

It is integrated in the genome of Musa Mysore. Musa Pisang Ceylon is free of that virus in its genes. That is one of the major difference between Mysore and Pisang Ceylon.

Musa Pisang Ceylon is developed specifically to be resistant. It has been tested in laboratories. All deliberate attempts to cause infection of BSV on Musa Pisang Ceylon in the laboratories were unsuccessful. So it is proven that Pisang Ceylon can not be infected.

Musa Pisang Ceylon is improved cultivar from Musa Mysore. In Asia, they intend to replace all Mysore with Pisang Ceylon.

Julian · 12-14-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cikas33

Musa Pisang Ceylon is developed specifically to be resistant. It has been tested in laboratories. All deliberate attempts to cause infection of BSV on Musa Pisang Ceylon in the laboratories were unsuccessful. .

Who developed it. Can you post your resource for this info? I would be interested.

Cikas33 · 12-14-2014, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Julian

Who developed it. Can you post your resource for this info? I would be interested.

I've already put articles about Musa Pisang Ceylon in this post.

Musa Pisang Ceylon

PR-Giants · 12-14-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cikas33

Actually "Partially Immune" is a term that exist in biology and medicine.

OK, it may be a term that exist in biology and medicine.

, but it still isn't a term I've seen written in any journals about bananas.

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Originally Posted by Cikas33

It is not.

It is integrated in the genome of Musa Mysore. Musa Pisang Ceylon is free of that virus in its genes. That is one of the major difference between Mysore and Pisang Ceylon.

Read the links that you posted and you will see that BSMysV is integrated in the genome of the Pisang Ceylan.

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Originally Posted by Cikas33

The Improvement and Testing of Musa - Google Knjige

http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/download/pdf/12104267.pdf

http://iita.titaninternet.co.uk/cms/...es/440-448.pdf

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...79908130,d.bGQ

Julian · 12-15-2014, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cikas33

I've already put articles about Musa Pisang Ceylon in this post.

Musa Pisang Ceylon

That's a bit much to read through. Lazy, yeah… Could you just say developed Ceylon? Thank you

Cikas33 · 12-15-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

OK, it may be a term that exist in biology and medicine.

, but it still isn't a term I've seen written in any journals about bananas.

That really does not matter anything.

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Read the links that you posted and you will see that BSMysV is integrated in the genome of the Pisang Ceylan.

Really!?

Julian · 12-15-2014, 10:39 AM

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Does not sound like anyone designed it.

siege2050 · 12-15-2014, 01:11 PM

Resistant and immune are two different things, I have Double Knock Out roses that are resistant to Black Spot disease, yet every year they do get a little Black Spot. They just look better, and dont defoliate as bad as other roses do. I could tell your banana was virused in the earlier posts before you mentioned the variegation. Its very disappointing to get a virused plant, I know I have bought Cannas that have been virused and had to discard them. Pisang Ceylon may be resistant to this virus, but factors like being stressed, and weakened can make it susceptible to being infected, because it is not fully immune, just resistant. Some plants can be carriers of a virus with the virus dormant. When the plant is stressed by cold or some other factor, the virus surfaces even though the plant never had symptoms before. I have seen this with Cannas, and also with colocasia with feathery mottle virus. Nobody is trying to put down your plant, but you need to be aware of it. If you have other bananas in your collection they may also be infected if the two plants have common pests, or you use the same cutting tools on them. I am not saying to destroy it, but at least dont use unsanitized cutting tools on it and then others in your collection. And be aware that during this time, sucking insects may spread the virus to your uninfected bananas. Good luck.

Cikas33 · 12-15-2014, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by siege2050

Resistant and immune are two different things, I have Double Knock Out roses that are resistant to Black Spot disease, yet every year they do get a little Black Spot. They just look better, and dont defoliate as bad as other roses do. I could tell your banana was virused in the earlier posts before you mentioned the variegation. Its very disappointing to get a virused plant, I know I have bought Cannas that have been virused and had to discard them. Pisang Ceylon may be resistant to this virus, but factors like being stressed, and weakened can make it susceptible to being infected, because it is not fully immune, just resistant. Some plants can be carriers of a virus with the virus dormant. When the plant is stressed by cold or some other factor, the virus surfaces even though the plant never had symptoms before. I have seen this with Cannas, and also with colocasia with feathery mottle virus. Nobody is trying to put down your plant, but you need to be aware of it. If you have other bananas in your collection they may also be infected if the two plants have common pests, or you use the same cutting tools on them. I am not saying to destroy it, but at least dont use unsanitized cutting tools on it and then others in your collection. And be aware that during this time, sucking insects may spread the virus to your uninfected bananas. Good luck.

Like I said, Resistant and immune is the same.

You are speaking about partial immunity or partial resistance.

Animals and plants with partial immunity or partial resistance can get diseases in weakened form.

Pisang Ceylon is immune. It can not get that virus. There is no recorded case of Pisang Ceylon with BSV. Deliberate attempts to cause infection were unsuccessful

That is the whole point of that cultivar and main difference from Mysore.

Like I said biology and medicine is my field.

''Immune'' is only official term for plant and animal disease resistance.

Your roses are not resistant, they are just partially resistant if they show symptoms of the disease.

siege2050 · 12-15-2014, 02:05 PM

There are a lot of people that would argue with you about your idea of resistance and immunity lol. But lets move on to the next possibility. Perhaps it is not a Pisang Ceylon, how similar are standard Mysore to Pisang Ceylon, can they be mistaken? Maybe you were sold a Mysore instead, it happens all the time with bananas. I ordered a Dwarf Cavendish once, and it is most definitely a Super Dwarf instead.

Cikas33 · 12-15-2014, 02:14 PM

Some more.

Richard · 12-15-2014, 02:15 PM

It's also a beautiful plant that grows well here 5 miles from the cool Pacific coast in zone 10b. It's not as stocky as Namwa and needs a bit more support, but otherwise trouble-free in my location.

Cikas33 · 12-15-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by siege2050

There are a lot of people that would argue with you about your idea of resistance and immunity lol. But lets move on to the next possibility. Perhaps it is not a Pisang Ceylon, how similar are standard Mysore to Pisang Ceylon, can they be mistaken? Maybe you were sold a Mysore instead, it happens all the time with bananas. I ordered a Dwarf Cavendish once, and it is most definitely a Super Dwarf instead.

It is not my idea. It is something that I learned on college.
But it seems that some people are confused with these terms.

Pisang Ceylon and Mysore look identical. Their difference is not in appearance, but in resistance.

I bought my banana from a trusted vendor.

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