Jelled nectar- who has it?

keikikid · 04-12-2014, 12:39 AM

My Mysore does. Iholena does. !000 fingers too.
Any other nectar jelly makers out there?

kubali · 06-24-2014, 09:34 AM

I love making jam, I like bit and pieces of fruit in mine.
Just made some star fruit jam, and peach jam.
So much more rewarding making your own, rather than buying it in the store. The difference is like night and day..
I might add, I make the best bread and butter pickles this side of Florida, so I've been told. And I am a bit parcel to believe it..hehe

robguz24 · 06-24-2014, 12:58 PM

Kub, what she's talking about it not making jelly out of nectar, but that certain cultivars have naturally occurring nectar jelly in the male flowers, rather than just liquid nectar. It is a nice edible treat. The Hawaiian word is pilali, and apparently it would be fed to babies.

PR-Giants · 06-24-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by robguz24

Kub, what she's talking about it not making jelly out of nectar, but that certain cultivars have naturally occurring nectar jelly in the male flowers, rather than just liquid nectar. It is a nice edible treat. The Hawaiian word is pilali, and apparently it would be fed to babies.

Maybe before rats/rodents were introduced to Hawaii.

Now it's a nice edible treat that might kill you.

It is estimated that seven to ten million people are infected by leptospirosis a year. The number of deaths this causes is not clear. The disease is most common in tropical areas of the world but may occur anywhere.

Leptospirosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Threat: Rodents « Partnership to Protect Hawaiâ€˜i's Native Species

Fun Facts about Rats - Hamakua coast area on the Big Island

robguz24 · 06-24-2014, 06:21 PM

I'm willing to take my chances that a rat did not pee on the male flowers that opened that morning, making contact with the somewhat protected glob of nectar. My dogs get lepto vaccines, why can't I get one?

kubali · 06-24-2014, 06:37 PM

I'll stick to my kind of jelly.

keikikid · 06-24-2014, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kubali

I love making jam, I like bit and pieces of fruit in mine.
Just made some star fruit jam, and peach jam.
So much more rewarding making your own, rather than buying it in the store. The difference is like night and day..
I might add, I make the best bread and butter pickles this side of Florida, so I've been told. And I am a bit parcel to believe it..hehe

Kub! Now you are making me hungry! I'll be looking for Kub's Famous Pickles & Jams at the supermarket.

PR-Giants · 06-24-2014, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robguz24

I'm willing to take my chances that a rat did not pee on the male flowers that opened that morning, making contact with the somewhat protected glob of nectar. My dogs get lepto vaccines, why can't I get one?

I would not take that risk, I always wash my hands after touching a banana plant. Being in the morning just increases the risk because of the dew.

Leptospirosis is a serious problem on banana farms and it seems crazy to take that risk but I'm guessing you don't personally know someone affected by this. It's a common topic among farmers and most people here are probably just more conscious of it.

If you do a search, you'll find better info.

http://www.health.qld.gov.au/ph/docu...tphn/29073.pdf

"On average, about two thirds of notified cases
of leptospirosis from the Innisfail/Tully area are
banana workers.
This is because the leptospirosis bacteria thrives in wet
conditions, and because banana farming involves lots of
exposure to soil and water that may be contaminated
with animal urine. Leptospirosis is most probably spread by rodents on banana farms – but bats,
pigs, dogs, frogs and bandicoots could also be involved.
Banana workers who don’t wear protective clothing (boots or shoes, long sleeved clothing, gloves),
and who don’t wash their hands frequently and thoroughly, are most at risk of catching leptospirosis.
Smokers are at greater risk because their hands are always going to their mouths.
There are 23 strains of leptospirosis bacteria in Australia (and over 230 strains worldwide).
Unfortunately there is no vaccine to cover all the strains of leptospirosis in the Innisfail/Tully area."

keikikid · 06-25-2014, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

There are 23 strains of leptospirosis bacteria in Australia (and over 230 strains worldwide).
Unfortunately there is no vaccine to cover all the strains of leptospirosis in the Innisfail/Tully area."

My vet said the vaccine for dogs does not cover all the stains we have in Hawaii. Apparently "lepto" is not as widespread here, although certainly present and something to be aware of.

keikikid · 06-25-2014, 01:13 AM

Back to the thread topic!
What my question should have been-
Is jelled nectar uncommon and thus a useful identification trait?
If so, which cultivars have it?

PR-Giants · 06-25-2014, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keikikid

My vet said the vaccine for dogs does not cover all the stains we have in Hawaii. Apparently "lepto" is not as widespread here, although certainly present and something to be aware of.

Hawaii is a Known Place for Leptospirosis

"Fifty percent of all human cases of Leptospirosis reported in the entire United States occur in Hawaii. Animal cases occur more commonly as well, particularly in wet parts of our islands."

"Keep in mind, however, that vaccinated dogs can still get Leptospirosis. The current vaccines offer protection against some, but not all, of the strains of Lepto found in Hawaii. The most potent Lepto vaccine offers protection against 4 strains of Lepto. According to public health records for the state of Hawaii, 15 different strains of Lepto have been isolated from infected humans."

Hawaii’s Killer: Leptospirosis - Honolulu Magazine

After a century, we still underestimate leptospirosis.
And what we don’t know can kill us.

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Originally Posted by robguz24

I'm willing to take my chances ...

Leptospira bacteria can be found in, spread, or transferred by

bats, rats, mice, frogs, lizards, snakes, birds and insects.

Simple Facts

People who grow bananas are in a higher risk group.

People who put things in their mouth after touching a banana plant

are dramatically increasing their risk.

If a worker was eating banana nectar, an employer might try first to educate.

PR-Giants · 06-25-2014, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keikikid

Back to the thread topic!
What my question should have been-
Is jelled nectar uncommon and thus a useful identification trait?
If so, which cultivars have it?

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robguz24 · 06-25-2014, 04:23 PM

I appreciate your concern Keith, but as an epidemiologist and a health educator, I'm familiar with the issues here. As with many diseases, a public structural response (education, safety practices for employers) can be beneficial even if any one individual's risk is extremely low. I live in an area with 50,000 living with catchment water. The vast majority of those have no filtration to stop lepto and they shower, shave, brush teeth with it, etc even if they don't drink it. You would think there would be massive lepto outbreaks here constantly and that's not the case. The biggest lepto concern for most people here is exposure to fresh water streams when they have open cuts, and indeed I have known others who have acquired lepto that way.

As for pilali, the Hawaiians actually brought rats, though I don't know if lepto was present pre Western contact.

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robguz24 Rob Location: Kalapana, Hawaii Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Name: Rob Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,506 BananaBucks : 285,206 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,320 Times Was Thanked 4,961 Times in 1,080 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 204 Times	Re: Jelled nectar- who has it? I appreciate your concern Keith, but as an epidemiologist and a health educator, I'm familiar with the issues here. As with many diseases, a public structural response (education, safety practices for employers) can be beneficial even if any one individual's risk is extremely low. I live in an area with 50,000 living with catchment water. The vast majority of those have no filtration to stop lepto and they shower, shave, brush teeth with it, etc even if they don't drink it. You would think there would be massive lepto outbreaks here constantly and that's not the case. The biggest lepto concern for most people here is exposure to fresh water streams when they have open cuts, and indeed I have known others who have acquired lepto that way. As for pilali, the Hawaiians actually brought rats, though I don't know if lepto was present pre Western contact. __________________ My micro-farm Stay on my Big Island banana farm cottage

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