Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Banana Forum > Main Banana Discussion
The Facebook Platform
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Main Banana Discussion This is where we discuss our banana collections; tips on growing bananas, tips on harvesting bananas, sharing our banana photos and stories.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-03-2020, 12:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
sirdoofus's Avatar
 
Location: Central Vancouver Island, BC Canada
Zone: AgCan 7b, USDA 6b
Name: Mike
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 185
BananaBucks : 8,063
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 636 Times
Was Thanked 162 Times in 92 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Hugelkultur style bed for bananas?

So I have used Hugelkultur style beds for young trees with good results, but I don't really know if it will be beneficial for bananas or just a bunch of extra work.

Does anyone else have any experience with this planting technique for bananas?

Whatever the case may be I thought I would share the process I go through of building one if anyone is interested. This is where my basjoo will be going.

First cut the turf away



sift the rocks out



The finished hole dug below grade



Some of the stuff that will go into the hugel bed



The first layer of logs, partially rotted maple and some alder



Layer of partially composted alpaca dung tossed on



Then native soil and watered in so the nooks and crannies fill in



A layer of charcoal and wood ash



Another layer of logs - this time very rotten fir and then some native soil on top and watered in



A shot from above showing what came out of the hole - all the dirt in the pile with the pickax sitting on it and all the rocks in the little trailer



Then the riser/grass barrier goes on. The water table in this part of the yard is at ground level in the winter so the entire plant needs to be sitting above it.



Add some grass clippings and other green organics



Then a layer of 4 mix (native soil mixed with municipal compost, aged fir, charcoal and wood ash)



Watered in to fill the nooks and crannies



Then a layer of smaller sticks, dry but not rotted and on top of that a layer of dried leaves collected last fall



Another layer of 4 mix



I decided to add another riser to the box so I can add an adequate amount of compost and mulch and still keep the plant sitting on top of the surrounding grade.



That's it for today but to be continued......
__________________
Who keeps calling me nuts??
sirdoofus is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sirdoofus

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 08-03-2020, 08:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
Zone: Zone 9a
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 826
BananaBucks : 6,880
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 1,679 Times
Was Thanked 1,591 Times in 525 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 106 Times
Default Re: Hugelkultur style bed for bananas?

I recommend skiping that last layer of sticks. I think it might make it very difficult to separate/remove pups, old corm, etc. in the future.

Removing those rocks and stone is an excellent idea...of course being from Florida I have only read about rocks in books and blogs...haha.

I think I would retain a zone from surface to about 1' 1/2' depth free of sticks, wood, etc. so the roots can move around and grow without being impeded. There is a greater risk from excess moisture causing rot in colder zones especally during the winter and fall months when the plants are not growing so be mindful of that issue. My plants are in slightly elevated beds and they do great so your setup should work taking into account moisture issues and root rot.
Akula is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Akula
Old 08-03-2020, 09:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
sirdoofus's Avatar
 
Location: Central Vancouver Island, BC Canada
Zone: AgCan 7b, USDA 6b
Name: Mike
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 185
BananaBucks : 8,063
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 636 Times
Was Thanked 162 Times in 92 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Hugelkultur style bed for bananas?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akula View Post
I recommend skiping that last layer of sticks. I think it might make it very difficult to separate/remove pups, old corm, etc. in the future.

Good Point, hadn't really thought about that, hopefully being relatively small they will soften quickly

Removing those rocks and stone is an excellent idea...of course being from Florida I have only read about rocks in books and blogs...haha.

Lucky, lucky - often I pull out and equal volume of rocks and soil - this area wasn't quite so bad

I think I would retain a zone from surface to about 1' 1/2' depth free of sticks, wood, etc. so the roots can move around and grow without being impeded.

Makes sense

There is a greater risk from excess moisture causing rot in colder zones especally during the winter and fall months when the plants are not growing so be mindful of that issue. My plants are in slightly elevated beds and they do great so your setup should work taking into account moisture issues and root rot.

That's the idea, hopefully it works. I do plan on expanding the area in the future when we finally get around to fencing and landscaping this part of the yard. For now I wanted to get the plant in the ground and growing
The primary reason I did it this way was to hopefully decrease the frequency of watering. I know bananas are relatively shallow rooted but I am assuming they do put some roots down in search of water? That's where the rotten wood comes in, acting like a sponge to hold water for the plant. Although maybe because of where they evolved, deeper roots weren't necessary?
__________________
Who keeps calling me nuts??

Last edited by sirdoofus : 08-03-2020 at 09:50 AM. Reason: add explanatory paragraph
sirdoofus is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sirdoofus
Said thanks:
Old 08-03-2020, 08:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
sirdoofus's Avatar
 
Location: Central Vancouver Island, BC Canada
Zone: AgCan 7b, USDA 6b
Name: Mike
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 185
BananaBucks : 8,063
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 636 Times
Was Thanked 162 Times in 92 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Hugelkultur style bed for bananas?

And done - had to put the netting around it to prevent my ducks from rooting around in the bed and my geese from stripping the leaves off.



Go baby go
__________________
Who keeps calling me nuts??
sirdoofus is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sirdoofus
Said thanks:
Old 08-06-2020, 08:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
Container grower
 
cincinnana's Avatar
 
Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Name: taryl
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,273
BananaBucks : 8,470
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,631 Times
Was Thanked 9,588 Times in 3,786 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,543 Times
Smile Re: Hugelkultur style bed for bananas?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sirdoofus View Post
And done - had to put the netting around it to prevent my ducks from rooting around in the bed and my geese from stripping the leaves off.



Go baby go
Sweet...
Well done.
Once the grow system aligns itself .....your good to go for many seasons.
cincinnana is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To cincinnana
Said thanks:
Sponsors

Old 08-06-2020, 10:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
sirdoofus's Avatar
 
Location: Central Vancouver Island, BC Canada
Zone: AgCan 7b, USDA 6b
Name: Mike
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 185
BananaBucks : 8,063
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 636 Times
Was Thanked 162 Times in 92 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Hugelkultur style bed for bananas?

Thank you, I certainly hope so. Looking forward to seeing what happens with it and if it will in fact decrease irrigation requirements.
__________________
Who keeps calling me nuts??
sirdoofus is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sirdoofus
Reply   Email this Page Email this Page




Newest Classified Listings
Orinoco sword sucker

Random Classified Listings
Orinoco sword sucker

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Banana wine my style JoeReal Banana Recipes 8 03-12-2018 12:18 PM
Flavor and Fortune - Bananas Chinese Style PR-Giants Banana Recipes 0 10-01-2014 07:58 AM
A New Experiment.. VC Style Abnshrek Main Banana Discussion 8 09-25-2014 12:07 PM
Desuckering Aussie Style RandyGHO Main Banana Discussion 4 06-25-2012 02:53 PM
Fried Tostones- Mama's style shopgirl2 Banana Recipes 0 12-12-2007 08:01 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:53 AM.





Follow us:
Twitter YouTube

All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.