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MediaHound
01-04-2010, 11:34 AM
This is a reminder to all members, please do not post anything that is offensive - in images or in threads.
From the rules (http://www.bananas.org/rules.php):
1. (http://www.bananas.org/rules.php#1) No content that is considered racist, sexist, obscene, objectionable, or otherwise offensive comments will be tolerated. All such posts or content will be deleted without notice. This includes avatars and uploaded photos. This could result in the loss of your membership.
Objectionable threads, should you find the desire to post them, should at the bare minimum have a descriptive title if its arguably acceptable content.
Thanks for your understanding.
Patty in Wisc
01-04-2010, 05:38 PM
You are right...I just didn't know what happened to the thread. I'm not crazy about seeing dead animals either & those pics don't belong on banana forum. It started out as a innocent hunting conversation as hunting has been talked about here, but I can understand how the pics could offend some people. Sorry peeps:(
(BTW, I didn't post them)
Abnshrek
01-04-2010, 10:45 PM
Roger That :^)
harveyc
01-04-2010, 10:56 PM
Thanks, Jarred. While the photos didn't bother me, I was concerned for those that do find them objectionable and sure don't want folks leaving this community because of such content.
fishoifc
01-04-2010, 10:58 PM
sorry about the dead animals pics wont do that anymore.
Abnshrek
01-05-2010, 12:29 AM
I think Harvey hit the nail right on the head...
stumpy4700
01-05-2010, 08:34 AM
I fully understand the photo ban on dead or injured animals but I'd have to say that if I read your post right you want the mere mention of the word hunting banned also. I would have to disagree with that. If its put in the Tiki hut I can not see where it is not proper to speak of it. There are topics in there that are not banana or plant growing related. To just ban a topic because some do not agreee with it is just not right. Where do you draw the line? Just my thought, its your site to run.
mbfirey
01-05-2010, 10:38 AM
While I agree completely with the ban on the pictures- most non-hunters don't want to see dead pictures of furry creatures. Banning all talk of hunting is silly. Unless we're all Bananatarians or vegetarians- you have to recognize that meat comes from living things. A thread about hunting (no pics) is certianly no more objectionable that the "Strange Food" thread. Those disgusting creatures people post pictures of that they've eaten are just as much living things as the furry and fluffy ones.
Scuba_Dave
01-05-2010, 11:19 AM
Yes, wouldn't want pictures of dead cows, pigs, chickens etc either :ha:
We just want the food......don't care how we get it :drum:
It's OK to slaughter animals we eat by the millions...but don't shoot those furry creatures :ha:
OrganicBananac
01-05-2010, 12:46 PM
This made me laugh... good one, seriously.
Lets not post anything about funerals either.. dead ppl make me uncomfortable... even tho one day ill be dead.
harveyc
01-05-2010, 01:36 PM
Gosh, I just realized I may have posted offensive material last year though maybe it was okay. I posted a photo of a big rat in a trap. I think most people view rats as pests but it might be offensive to someone to see one, I guess. Is this within reasonable limits or not? I posted that photo in the "what did you kill today" thread that was really meant for plants but had gone astray.
cherokee_greg
01-05-2010, 01:54 PM
LOL now now you guys I thought I was watching Survivor for a moment now we do have rules here :woohoonaner: Lets be good and talk about bananas be kind to Jarred he has allot on his plate :bananas_b
Patty in Wisc
01-05-2010, 02:57 PM
Greg, Tiki Hut is there to talk about anything BUT bananas! There have been pics posted here of other dead animals from hunters but the 'ONE' person who found the dead buck pics didn't see them. I've seen some gross pics of dead bugs/insects on the "Weird Food" thread, & whole pigs layed out in market for ppl to buy. But, if ONE person complains about a bad pic or post that is offensive, I think Jarred has no choice but to delete it even though most of us would like to keep it. I wish the person whom it offended woulda pm'd me or the poster of the pics so they could delete the pics themselves instead of having the whole post deleted.
The pic Fishoifc posted, showed the gunshot wound near the shoulder w/ some blood & I think it was the blood that was offensive, but to hunters it showed that it was a good shot! My brother always says, NEVER shoot an animal from behind as it won't kill it & it will just suffer. So, nice shot Fishoifc!
stumpy4700
01-05-2010, 03:11 PM
What I think it boils down to is that we can't please everyone everytime. For every topic it may or may not offend someone somewhere. I'm sure when we wished everyone a "merry christmas" it might have offended someone, when we say "GOD bless" it may offend someone. There is just no way to bullit proof every topic. while I can agree that the pics might offend some, but the thread did warn of a hunting topic. I just think that sometimes we can go to far in trying not to offend some people ( not singleing any one person but as a whole ). Does the talk of chemical fertilizer offend those who are organic? how about if we have vegan's who are offended at a recipe for pork wrapped in Banana leaves over a open fire pit? Again I don't mean to preach or push values but the world is over senitive enough. If there is a topic that might offend me then I will not open it, but by no means would I be offended if someone else wanted to talk about it. Thank you for the chance to jump on my soapbox.........
stumpy4700
01-05-2010, 03:13 PM
P.S. None of my comments were ever meant as an attack on Jarred. He is a wonderful host here and I dearly apprieciate all the work he has put into the worlds best website.
cherokee_greg
01-05-2010, 03:24 PM
Patty to be honest I just really dont care . Its no big deal to me I just did not go there and look at the pictures myself thats my freedom I have. Im here to have fun meet people and learn about bananas. I was just trying to throw a little humor into the pot I hope you did not get OFFENDED lol
Greg
I guess there is drama in every group on the net
Greg, Tiki Hut is there to talk about anything BUT bananas! There have been pics posted here of other dead animals from hunters but the 'ONE' person who found the dead buck pics didn't see them. I've seen some gross pics of dead bugs/insects on the "Weird Food" thread, & whole pigs layed out in market for ppl to buy. But, if ONE person complains about a bad pic or post that is offensive, I think Jarred has no choice but to delete it even though most of us would like to keep it. I wish the person whom it offended woulda pm'd me or the poster of the pics so they could delete the pics themselves instead of having the whole post deleted.
The pic Fishoifc posted, showed the gunshot wound near the shoulder w/ some blood & I think it was the blood that was offensive, but to hunters it showed that it was a good shot! My brother always says, NEVER shoot an animal from behind as it won't kill it & it will just suffer. So, nice shot Fishoifc!
momoese
01-05-2010, 03:39 PM
Dave, there may be some people that post here who do not eat meat so that line of reasoning doesn't really apply unless the person who complained does eat meat, but even then they might not want to see pics of dead chickens or deer, and I personally don't think there is anything wrong with someone not wanting to revel in the killing of an animal whether they eat meat or not. We all know it's a dirty fact of life that animals must be killed in order to eat them, which I most certainly do. I like animals, they taste good!
The posting of pictures and hunting stories doesn't bother me for the most part, and when it does, like with that bear picture, I just look away. I wish others would do the same instead of complaining about it.
Example: I don't read the cold hardy section much because it doesn't interest me. So if someone wasn't interested in hunting then why would they even look at that thread in the first place?
Well at the end of the day it's Jarred's site to run as he sees fit. I'm just happy to be a part of it. :bananas_b
stumpy4700
01-05-2010, 03:41 PM
Dave, there may be some people that post here who do not eat meat so that line of reasoning doesn't really apply unless the person who complained does eat meat, but even then they might not want to see pics of dead chickens or deer, and I personally don't think there is anything wrong with someone not wanting to revel in the killing of an animal whether they eat meat or not. We all know it's a dirty fact of life that animals must be killed in order to eat them, which I most cetainly do. I like animals, they taste good!
The posting of pictures and hunting stories doesn't bother me for the most part, and when it does, like with that bear picture, I just look away. I wish others would do the same instead of complaining about it.
Example: I don't read the cold hardy section much because it doesn't interest me. So if someone wasn't interested in hunting then why would they even look at that thread in the first place?
Well at the end of the day it's Jarred's site to run as he sees fit. I'm just happy to be a part of it. :bananas_b
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. Well said
Scuba_Dave
01-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Well, when the thread title is HUNTING & something about hunting offends you...don't open the thread
Maybe I'm a non-vegetarian & the site of mashed potates offends me :ha:
fishoifc
01-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Greg, Tiki Hut is there to talk about anything BUT bananas! There have been pics posted here of other dead animals from hunters but the 'ONE' person who found the dead buck pics didn't see them. I've seen some gross pics of dead bugs/insects on the "Weird Food" thread, & whole pigs layed out in market for ppl to buy. But, if ONE person complains about a bad pic or post that is offensive, I think Jarred has no choice but to delete it even though most of us would like to keep it. I wish the person whom it offended woulda pm'd me or the poster of the pics so they could delete the pics themselves instead of having the whole post deleted.
The pic Fishoifc posted, showed the gunshot wound near the shoulder w/ some blood & I think it was the blood that was offensive, but to hunters it showed that it was a good shot! My brother always says, NEVER shoot an animal from behind as it won't kill it & it will just suffer. So, nice shot Fishoifc!
Thanks for the compliment,shot placement is very important to me. since I am a full time fisherman and part time hunter this stuff comes up all the time,nobody ever wins. I once saw a funny comedian joking about save the dolphins, (dolphin safe tuna),what made it funny was he kept saying " what about the tunas there cute and cuddly too"
momoese
01-05-2010, 04:51 PM
Well, when the thread title is HUNTING & something about hunting offends you...don't open the thread
Maybe I'm a non-vegetarian & the site of mashed potates offends me :ha:
Exactly!
First I apologize to anyone I offended with the picture. I will be deleteing that and others from my gallery as well. Same with those on "Post a pic of yourself " which seemed to bother no one at the time. I understand the decision to block the post in the best interests of the org which I have always considered , but would have rather recieved a pm from whoever complained and I would have deleted it myself. There's been plenty of more questionable pics posted here in the past. Tog used to post some of his reptiles but I guess there's a much different group here now.
Sorry Patty, I didn't really think I would get your post banned by posting the picture but was making more of a commentary on the hardship involved. Too bad, it was a popular thread for many of us while it lasted.
Patty in Wisc
01-05-2010, 05:43 PM
Don't be sorry Bob, and don't delete your other hunt pics! Like I said, I think the person didn't like to see the blood where the bullit went in. Or, it's someone who doesn't like me & just wanted the thread deleted LOL. I saw the pic of you behind a (moose? antelope?) large animal you just shot & no one complained, so leave it. It made me proud of you!
Dalmatiansoap
01-05-2010, 05:47 PM
Hey hey guys,
moment of silence please!
As someone that is usead to live all my life in some kind of prohibition I have one importanat massage for all of You:
YouTube - Always Look On The Bright Side of Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ)
One more time,
altogether....
:woohoonaner:
Patty in Wisc
01-05-2010, 06:16 PM
Ante you are so funny:)
Ante just sent me a pic of him standing next to a black bear standing up & his arm around it. Looks like taken in a museum. How cute.
BananaLee
01-05-2010, 06:19 PM
I am not a hunter and don't care for it but it doesn't bother me to see other hunters talk about what they do. Most of my friends are hunters and I don't really mind, it's there hobby and I respect that. The world doesn't revolve around one person. Blood might freak out someone but if it does, just don't look at it. I wouldn't go as far as to delete a forum but if the admin does then, well...that's that. It's just a hobby, not a huge sin or anything like that. Respect that. Patty, sorry about your thread being deleted, a lot of work goes into that, I would hate for that to happen to me.
Patty in Wisc
01-05-2010, 06:50 PM
Don't feel bad! It's OK....really:) Worse things have happened to me here LOL
LilRaverBoi
01-05-2010, 10:22 PM
But, if ONE person complains about a bad pic or post that is offensive, I think Jarred has no choice but to delete it even though most of us would like to keep it.
Yeah, on a different site that I moderate for, we have rules about questionable content as well. Basically, if it's not SUPER offensive, we let it slide...unless there are complaints....then it gets deleted. We don't delete the whole thread, just that picture/content. I know a lot of people are very difficult to offend or disgust, but there are people who don't has as strong of a stomach. Sadly, we all kinda have to abide by the 'if it offends one or two, it should be removed' policy. I've had a lot of disappointed people approach me after I removed this or that on this other website, but that's just the best way to do it to keep everyone comfortable/happy. But I also would tell people not to complain about things unless they are really offended/disgusted by it.
That's my take anyway. I understand the reasons for such policies...I'm sure we all realize that no rule will ever be perfect and keep EVERYONE happy...but we have to do the best we can, right?
Rmplmnz
01-05-2010, 10:47 PM
First I apologize to anyone I offended with the picture. I will be deleteing that and others from my gallery as well. Same with those on "Post a pic of yourself " which seemed to bother no one at the time. I understand the decision to block the post in the best interests of the org which I have always considered , but would have rather recieved a pm from whoever complained and I would have deleted it myself. There's been plenty of more questionable pics posted here in the past. Tog used to post some of his reptiles but I guess there's a much different group here now.
Sorry Patty, I didn't really think I would get your post banned by posting the picture but was making more of a commentary on the hardship involved. Too bad, it was a popular thread for many of us while it lasted.
I have not been following this thread...but Bob take consolation in the fact that whoever it was (I never saw the pics so I do not really have a frame of reference) saw the pics and was offended and their first reaction was to contact one of the moderators and request removal. I say this from experience...as this is something I did a year or so back. I went to High School is Central America, Panama’ and I am very familiar with how all of the baby animals (Parrots, Macaws, Marmosets, Sloths and whatever other “non-domesticated” juvenile/baby animals) that were sold in the markets as “pets” were sourced. Marmosets carried by the male parent were killed, the Macaws/Parrots nesting were killed and so and so and the parents were left discarded. Well a former board member, Josh, since banned posted pics of monkeys that were killed to obtain the young (in Panama’)…I requested of one of the moderators to remove the pics…boom he attacked me and flamed me in a few threads. Sure I should have PM’d him and requested he remove the pics..but I didn’t…I knew him from the board (we actually exchanged some corms); but I was so offended at seeing these pics again (again as from having seen it in person in High school) and having memories of how little respect some people have for the environment.
Ironically he turned out to be a scammer (some benevolent members sent him contributions to aid in protecting these animals from poachers).
99% of the thread has been deleted, this is a link to what remains:
http://www.bananas.org/f9/i-need-your-help-please-read-4609.html
Scam warning:
http://www.bananas.org/f11/beware-scam-i-need-your-help-7417.html
Post from the The Owner of Tigre Salvaje
http://www.bananas.org/f11/tigre-salvaje-punta-burica-panama-7416.html
This is not a statement for or against hunting. Hey I don’t eat animals (except for wild fish); but I am not against popping a squirrel off of my avocado or mango trees and my Rat Terrier bags the occasional banana eating squirrel, no pics; I promise:-) and I understand culturally some folks like to hunt. As long as they obtain the proper licensure, hunt in permitted areas and follow all the rules (skipping the occasional beer; Dick Cheney) have at it. The bottom line is we are all here to make friends and whomever was offended in retrospect would surely have taken a lower key approach . Unfortunately we have occasional differences and I am sure whoever it was would have PM’d you if it had occurred to them at the time.
I think I came across something in the thread disparaging Factory Farming..hey let’s complain about Factory Farming…
Blooms will be mailed soon:nanadrink:
Abnshrek
01-06-2010, 12:18 AM
Well I hope I haven't "wizzed" in anyone's wheaties here and if I have it was by accident and I'm truely sorry.. I know I don't take anything personal so I can say I haven't been offended in any way :^) people are busy these days trying to make a life worth living.. etc but remember stress kills.. so take a chill pill and enjoy life once in while if not all the time :^)
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 12:52 AM
There were at least a few ppl here that said the whole thread should not have been deleted - just the 2 pics of the deer. Why not just delete the offensive part? It was a good thread otherwise.
(just my opinion & some others here)
mbfirey
01-06-2010, 07:41 AM
I think the "scene" of a picture also makes a big difference- blood and "dead looking" animals aren't cool but lots of folks would have no problem taking their kids to a natural history Museum to see literally Thousands of dead animals (many of which were probably shot).
momoese
01-06-2010, 11:43 AM
There were at least a few ppl here that said the whole thread should not have been deleted - just the 2 pics of the deer. Why not just delete the offensive part? It was a good thread otherwise.
(just my opinion & some others here)
I totally agree. If an image is posted that's offensive to someone in the image thread will the whole thread be deleted? I certainly hope not!
What is the ruling on this issue anyway, can we talk about hunting or not? Is it the talk or the pictures that is not allowed?
Edit: re-reading what Jarred first posted it sounds as though any hunting talk is not allowed. At the same time just about anything is offensive to someone. Is there a master list of exactly what is offensive in the off topic area?
cucurbits
01-06-2010, 11:58 AM
I found it quite disturbing to enter the site and see those pictures in the photo gallery. Picture like that should not be on a banana site. By the way, I was not the person that "complained".
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 12:13 PM
Commonly referred to as the wussifcation of the Internet
Turn safe search off & search for "transgender" if you want be offended :ha:
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 12:34 PM
This thread is rolling toward a cage match.....
cherokee_greg
01-06-2010, 12:38 PM
If it had to do with me I would lock this thread down close it up for good no offence but im tired of seeing it. :lurk:
Abnshrek
01-06-2010, 12:48 PM
This thread is rolling toward a cage match.....
I think it's more like a venting session :^)
cherokee_greg
01-06-2010, 12:50 PM
Well I hope I haven't "wizzed" in anyone's wheaties here and if I have it was by accident and I'm truely sorry.. I know I don't take anything personal so I can say I haven't been offended in any way :^) people are busy these days trying to make a life worth living.. etc but remember stress kills.. so take a chill pill and enjoy life once in while if not all the time :^)
amen to that :woohoonaner:
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 12:55 PM
I think it's more like a venting session :^)
I think every point has been covered and additional comments run the risk of offending some of the members (on all sides of the Topic).
Just my opinion.....
momoese
01-06-2010, 01:09 PM
Clair, I was not aware that the pics were hosted here and I agree they should not be where everyone can see them without looking for them. I saw them in the actual thread. I think at this point the bigger question is what is offensive, where do we draw the line, and should whole threads be deleted because of one post or one picture? I'm sure if the hunters knew it was not allowed they would have never posted them in the first place. I personally see nothing wrong with a hunting thread because I don't have to read it if I don't want to.
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 01:24 PM
It's all in the perception of things
The Internet is not the place to be if you are offended by anything :03:
This is a picture of a dead animal too, as are all of the others
http://z.about.com/d/bbq/1/0/_/K/steak_medium_rare.jpg
http://www.lostinthe50sdiner.com/images/FriedChickenPSHOP.jpg
http://www.cancertruth.net/newsletter_2009nov.html/turkey%20platter.jpg
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 01:34 PM
I don't think ANYONE is defending those pics. We are saying that whoever was offended shoulda pm'd me or the poster so it could be removed - that's all. Instead, the whole thread got deleted. Also, it was titled "Dear Hunters, how did you do?" or similar, so, one would know it was about hunting.
And, after all, it was in Tiki Hut where we talk about anything BUT bananas.
Also, if this thread is bothersome, then DON'T READ IT!
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 02:21 PM
It's all in the perception of things
The Internet is not the place to be if you are offended by anything
I disagree...the Internet has many educational, useful, fun, etc., applications. Everyone is going to be offended by something (this is different for each individual), this should not discourage a person from utilizing the Internet to join a community focused on bananas. There is a reasonable expectation that as a community we will isolate potentially offensive material, at a minimum from the home page of the web site.
Jack Daw
01-06-2010, 03:27 PM
What is going on guys? I go on a vacation and return to a fighting place?
BananaLee
01-06-2010, 03:43 PM
I see where Clare is going but then again I find it a bit extreme. Now I myself find hunting for sport kinda useless and I love animals and all things natural but I'm not one of those "save the chimps" and "save the whales" kind of junkies. I like to even it out a little by not choosing with one side or the other and not being extreme on either side. I see it from both sides. Clare loves animals and hates to see them killed, so do I, but there is a limit to that. I personally wouldn't go as far as to not eat pork just because I saw pigs on there way to slaughter house. There just pigs, not humans. Hunters for example are just doing there hobby but personally I find it a little careless to kill everything they see by ramming a deer on the side of the road just for their own amusement. Animals are living things, not brainless mindless machines. It's not bad to love animals but it's not bad to hunt. Just don't go to the extremes and you're fine. I grew up loving animals and I grew up with my friends being hunters and I see it from both sides, not one or the other is bad. But it's just my opinion.
natej740
01-06-2010, 03:44 PM
I'm mad because I'm a hunter too and missed out on the whole thread....I did see some of the pics that were hosted here though.....BTW nice buck Moe.
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 04:58 PM
I never saw animals on a homepage. How do I get to it?
Clare, no one is trying to hunt (pun intended:))down the person(s) who complained. What I'm saying is if it was offensive then a pm to me or the posters woulda done the job. The 2 hunters that posted the pics apologized if they offended anyone & would not have posted them if they knew & woulda gladly removed them if they were pm'd. There was no blood & guts shown & after all, it was a thread about DEER hunting.
I see hunting magazines in the grocery store w/ hunters holding their kill on the cover. If people complain, I really don't think the owner will remove them & all magazines there. There are a lot of restaurants/bars that have mounted animal heads & stuffed animals (taxidermy) all around.
quote from Lee:
"I find it a little careless to kill everything they see by ramming a deer on the side of the road just for their own amusement."
Lee, I never heard of anyone doing this. Everyone I know goes thru the trouble of driving more careful so that they DON'T hit animals. The deer on the roadsides ran out in front of a car...they also damage the cars, so no one wants that. I love animals too & respect them -- all animals.
I hope you see my point as I can see yours:)
BananaLee
01-06-2010, 05:15 PM
Lee, I never heard of anyone doing this. Everyone I know goes thru the trouble of driving more careful so that they DON'T hit animals. The deer on the roadsides ran out in front of a car...they also damage the cars, so no one wants that. I love animals too & respect them -- all animals.
I hope you see my point as I can see yours:)
I know hardly anyone rams deer on purpose, it's probably because I happen to personally know someone who actually does that! Lol! I'm not saying most ppl do, I'm just saying extremest do and I know you're not an extremest Patty. :)
Clare, I didn't mean to offend you in anyway what so ever, I'm sorry if I did, please forgive me. It was just my opinion, nobody has to agree. To tell you the truth, I couldn't shoot a deer to save my life! They're to cute and yes animals do feel pain. It's sad to see pigs go to there doom but I love meat that's why I don't want to work at the slaughter house!
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 05:27 PM
If anyone deliberately kills an animal just for the killing, there are BIG fines & possible jail time - & rightfully so! Hunters don't like these ppl!
I've seen a video & read about how cows are handled. I also know that the way they are slaughtered is quick & basically painless.
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Yes, I just realized where the banner w/ new pics are LOL. I just never saw the animals there. I'm glad we have the chance to air things out here & give our opinions. I respect your views & opinions & especially the reasons you don't eat pork! I sorta don't blame you.
I mentioned the "don't look" thing once because someone posting here keeps saying to stop this thread cuz it's disturbing, but yet keeps posting here so obviously I said 'then don't read it'. It made sense to me.
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 05:39 PM
Hunters for example are just doing there hobby but personally I find it a little careless to kill everything they see by ramming a deer on the side of the road just for their own amusement
That has to be one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard
I don't know any hunter that does not use the FOOD to FEED his FAMILY
momoese
01-06-2010, 06:01 PM
I can guarantee that most caring, sensitive people would eat less meat if they worked in a slaughterhouse or saw video of how the slaughter is done.
I know you said "most" but just for the record, I am also a caring sensitive animal lover who has read the books and read the articles and watched the videos and television shows and talked to people at length about the issue, but none of that has steered me away from eating meat, pardon the pun! I am a serious carnivore just like my dogs and cats are. It did however get me more focused on eating organic meat like free range grass fed beef and bison etc. :)
BananaLee
01-06-2010, 06:13 PM
That has to be one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard
I don't know any hunter that does not use the FOOD to FEED his FAMILY
Cool it will ya! I happen to know people who hunt for the fun of it. Don't be so negative!
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 07:02 PM
I can guarantee that most caring, sensitive people would eat less meat if they worked in a slaughterhouse or saw video of how the slaughter is done
Nope....lived in Maryland & we were there as they slaughtered the cows & then butchered them
Friends were from La (not CA) & they cooked & ate anything & everything
Squirrel, fish, dove, rabbit...any meat basically...you never knew what was in the gumbo
Also we went over for a chicken BBQ, chickens were live
and yes they do run around with their heads cut off
My Uncle raised rabbit for food...very tasty, better then chicken
Mad cow didn't even slow me down, not that I eat a ton of meat
Everyone is entitled to their opinion & their views
I just don't see the point in trampling someone elses opinions/views/rights by whining that you are offended by a picture of a dead animal that was posted here
I've seen far worse on TV on a reg basis
I joined a site because it was about Man Caves & I'm building one
Turns out its a bunch of guys who post some pretty sick stuff (at times)
Anything goes there, if you are offended they basically tell you to shut the "...." Up
Its like the whole "Happy Holidays" thing instead of Merry Christmas :(
How to determine if your cow has mad cow disease...
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Killing animals does not bother me...most if not all are considered food by someone
But I have a hard time watching ER & some of the Doctor shows
BananaLee
01-06-2010, 08:36 PM
I've seen far worse on TV on a reg basis
I joined a site because it was about Man Caves & I'm building one
Turns out its a bunch of guys who post some pretty sick stuff (at times)
Anything goes there, if you are offended they basically tell you to shut the "...." Up
This is not TV and this is not a site about Man Caves. This is a friendly site, how about we speak in a friendly manner and just get along instead of telling everyone to shut up....please...?
Abnshrek
01-06-2010, 08:59 PM
HI I"m Michael and I'm a compulsive squirrel Killer (during squirrel season)... People actually eat them too. I protect my nuts thus I kill squirrels or if they get on my banana's(then they are really Dead meat).. They aren't innocent they are stealing (since none of them live here on the compound) and they will be prosecuted within all applicable Laws & by all means.. lol :^)
I do Love animals.. like my 2 dogs and my pig, and bunnies that run around my backyard eating grass. I don't eat grass therefore I like eating meat but respect other's that don't.. Its america we all have rights.. right..
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 09:12 PM
This is not TV and this is not a site about Man Caves. This is a friendly site, how about we speak in a friendly manner and just get along instead of telling everyone to shut up....please...?
Stop putting words in my mouth & telling me what I told other people to do
Abnshrek
01-06-2010, 09:43 PM
I don't think people run deer over in ditches unless they are disturbed or under the influence.. I don't think anyone should presume anything about anyone.. its like being Prejudice.. You know just cause someone may have gone cow tipping doesn't mean they tipped over a cow.. its like snipe hunting.. a trip to nature and nothing to bag.. :^)
I hope everyone comes to an understanding, and a few that like to get under peoples skin grow to being a bigger help to our community :^)
Lagniappe
01-06-2010, 09:56 PM
Here are the Louisiana regs regarding both snipe and woodcock:
Snipe
Nov. 7 - Dec. 11
Dec. 19 - Feb. 28
limit 8
possession 16
Woodcock
Dec. 18 - Jan. 31
3
6
We actually hunt both near Shreveport.
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 09:58 PM
I only snipe on E-Bay
john_ny
01-06-2010, 10:02 PM
WOW- Does anyone want to make book on how many more posts this thread makes, before it's locked?
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 10:11 PM
Hey if a Mod can post language like what's in the thread below then anything should be OK
http://www.bananas.org/f9/wanabe-loser-country-ruled-comees-10828.html
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 10:11 PM
HI I"m Michael and I'm a compulsive squirrel Killer (during squirrel season)... People actually eat them too. I protect my nuts thus I kill squirrels or if they get on my banana's(then they are really Dead meat).. They aren't innocent they are stealing (since none of them live here on the compound) and they will be prosecuted within all applicable Laws & by all means.. lol :^)
We could easily have a never ending thread on Squirrels....they eat the new green leaves, the blooms as they emerge, the entire banana raceme (if you can get one), tiny forming avocados, Sugar Apples and can strip a mango tree in a couple of days....
My mother lives on a inlet totally devoid of squirrels....she complains that she misses seeing them play...if only she knew..
Yep...always a full time battle with the Tree Rats....even the vegetarians can agree with his....
Dispatching squirrels is self preservation for the garden!
What is "The Compound"?
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 10:14 PM
We have a pair of Red Tail hawks that keep the squirrels in check
Plus a pair of foxes
I used to think chipmunks were neat
Until the bugger started chewing on my tomotoes last year
So this year he's getting popped
Lagniappe
01-06-2010, 10:27 PM
The fact of the matter is, we were designed, by God (That's right, I said it), to evolve into an animal that digests animal protein. This in turn enabled us to grow the big ole brain that we have.
Otherwise, we would all be swinging from vines right now, and none of this would matter.
This is just my opinion. I have no hard facts to post, and most of what I do post is gibberish. Still, I'm as entitled as the next guy or gal. :nanadrink:
I do think that we hunters should be empathetic to non-hunters, and keep the gore out of our posts. This is what they call 'hunters ethics' in the safety courses nowadays.
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 10:27 PM
We have lots of large trees and Squirrel navigable phone lines...and they breed like crazy (not to mention all of the local bird feeders they raid)...so it is an overwhelming never-ending battle. The key for me is to manage the tree line (vertically and horizontally)...so they can not jump tree to tree, then they are deterred by our Rat Terrier (aptly named).
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 10:29 PM
The fact of the matter is, we were designed, by God (That's right, I said it), to evolve into an animal that digests animal protein. This in turn enabled us to grow the big ole brain that we have.
Otherwise, we would all be swinging from vines right now, and none of this would matter.
This is just my opinion. I have no hard facts to post, and most of what I do post is gibberish. Still, I'm as entitled as the next guy or gal. :nanadrink:
Pete...what he heck are you doing buddy...bringing religion in to the mix? :2719::2719:
Protein...as in Muscle Milk....?
CytoSport | Driven By Science. Inspired By Performance. (http://www.cytosport.com/)
Lagniappe
01-06-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm in a "Passive- offensive" mood, I guess.
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 10:37 PM
This is not TV and this is not a site about Man Caves. This is a friendly site, how about we speak in a friendly manner and just get along instead of telling everyone to shut up....please...?
Lee, he's not telling anyone to shut up! We are trying to make a point. I see some pretty discusting stuff on tv too but I can always change the channel or choose to not look! You should see the "weird food- care to share" thread that Tog started! Some things are gross but it's a great thread...I learned a lot there. He started that from my thread on "backyard critters" (Shrek & Dave, you'll love it). Now, I sure hope those don't get deleted! Some might consider them offensive but no one has complained in well over a year. If you think you might be offended, then don't go there!
I don't like blood & guts from E room stuff or cage fighting, so I look away sometimes. I had a hard time watching the twin towers crashed into but it was news/reality so I watched it.
I'm not telling anyone to shut up, just saying it like it is to make a point.
Shrek & Dave, you guys are cracking me up LOL
Rmplmnz
01-06-2010, 10:38 PM
I'm in a "Passive- offensive" mood, I guess.
No offense..just chiding you a little...although that does add a new dynamic to the thread (like it needed one):)
How is the giant worm farm in your garage?
When are you heading South again?
momoese
01-06-2010, 10:45 PM
We could easily have a never ending thread on Squirrels....they eat the new green leaves, the blooms as they emerge, the entire banana raceme (if you can get one), tiny forming avocados, Sugar Apples and can strip a mango tree in a couple of days....
My mother lives on a inlet totally devoid of squirrels....she complains that she misses seeing them play...if only she knew..
Yep...always a full time battle with the Tree Rats....even the vegetarians can agree with his....
Dispatching squirrels is self preservation for the garden!
What is "The Compound"?
Tree rats, you gut that right! I only use the water hose to annoy them enough to leave, but if I lived in a place where a stray pellet wouldn't break a window or bean someone in the head I would not hesitate to use a pellet gun on them. And before you hunters make fun of me, yes I am actually a good shot, I just can't take that chance of hurting someone.
I've also had hand to hand combat with the raccoons, well with a baseball bat or a water hose in my hand! For the most part they don't come around anymore. :)
On a side note, I just had 3 Pølser for dinner! Yum, Danish hot dogs!
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/denmark/zealand/copenhagen/tulippolser/09ristethotdog.jpg
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 10:56 PM
What's Polser? (danish hot dogs?)
Scuba_Dave
01-06-2010, 11:00 PM
Well I was pretty upset & just started word & started to type this
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/Daveywb/Fun/wordhelp.jpg
momoese
01-06-2010, 11:01 PM
It's a Danish Hot Dog. They use a special mustard that's really tasty. My wife is Danish and we have a real Danish Deli run by super old Danish guys just down the street. The "sausage" is made from pork and veal. I feel a little weird about eating veal but omg are these things good! This is my guilty pleasure I guess.
Patty in Wisc
01-06-2010, 11:51 PM
Well I was pretty upset & just started word & started to type this
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/Daveywb/Fun/wordhelp.jpg
O M'gosh, that's hilarious! It says "kill office assistant" at the bottom LOL.
Hey Mitchel, I never heard of that. I have Usingers sausage production place about 2 miles away & they make a ton of GREAT Sausages right there & their shop is always busy. They sell by you? My fav is fresh liver sausage (not braunshweiger).
This thread is getting better than the deer hunter thread LOL.
momoese
01-07-2010, 12:02 AM
This thread is getting better than the deer hunter thread LOL.
We wouldn't have it any other way! :ha: :bananas_b
Abnshrek
01-07-2010, 12:04 AM
The "sausage" is made from pork and veal.
Veal is the most tender meat next to a young deer or a beaver.. Man alive that good stuff if prepared right.. "Not to offend anyone" & "Sorry " if I did.. Truely :^)
By the way the "Compound" is my residence what used to be called the "Pepper House".
A squirrel will eat your garden, the wires off your boat, lawn tractor or anything else it can chew if you give them the time and opportunity to do so. So they don't just eat nuts or banana's or mangos or just fruit & nuts. They are a pest of the worst extreme.. cute but not very good for your property. By the way it wasn't my boat; I don't have a tractor; Squirrels haul when they hear my 4-wheeler coming :^)
LilRaverBoi
01-07-2010, 12:53 AM
I agree with Patty...kill that darn paper clip! He only means to hold you back from expressing you TRUE feelings in the manner they were MEANT to0 be expressed! KILL HIM AND END HIS MEAGER EXISTENCE ON THIS PLANE!
I changed mine to some goofy wizard or something cause the paper clip was FAR too annoying! LOL.
harveyc
01-07-2010, 02:05 AM
I don't think people run deer over in ditches unless they are disturbed or under the influence.. I don't think anyone should presume anything about anyone.. its like being Prejudice.. You know just cause someone may have gone cow tipping doesn't mean they tipped over a cow.. its like snipe hunting.. a trip to nature and nothing to bag.. :^)
I hope everyone comes to an understanding, and a few that like to get under peoples skin grow to being a bigger help to our community :^)
In this day and age, even the harmless snipe hunting is something that apparently considered offensive by some people. I took my son's Cub Scout pack on a snipe hunt at the very same place I learned how to "do it" about 40 years ago and they all had fun and actually continued "hunting" after I told them it was just a gag! I was told by a scout leader later on that snipe hunting has been prohibited in scouting for a number of years as it's a prank that might humiliate someone. I'm glad I didn't know about that until after the boys had fun with it!
On another note, I don't think anybody should be saying that someone else's comment is stupid. Lee did say he actually knew someone that committed such horrible acts which I am quite sure is a very rare occurrence these days, though I know of some old hunting photos at an establishment near me which document some very senseless killing back some 50-70 years ago that I find quite disgusting (zebra, anyone?).
The way this thread has gone on as sure made me wish even more that Tog was here to help rescue us with some amazing tales.
LilRaverBoi
01-07-2010, 02:30 AM
Yeah, I definitely wish Tog was here to cheer us all up! This forum is missing his sense of humor and enlightenment!
lorax
01-07-2010, 05:29 AM
THREAD WRECK! I know that only two of us from the original Thread Wreckers R Us are still here, but let's have a go at it, shall we?
Shrek, Agouti say that I Guanta Guanta for the best-tasting wild game out there. And now I'll Tapir off and let Bob or somebody take over.
Snipe hunting is not a gag--it is one of the toughest game birds I know off--I think a lot of people just use that gag story to cover the fact that they can't hit the fast and erratic flying birds!
Abnshrek
01-07-2010, 08:44 AM
Snipe hunting is not a gag--it is one of the toughest game birds I know off--I think a lot of people just use that gag story to cover the fact that they can't hit the fast and erratic flying birds!
Snipe hunting as a gag is done without weapons where the "snipe" don't live or may live its not done for any other purpose than to have fun :^)
Scuba_Dave
01-07-2010, 09:27 AM
Tree rats, you gut that right! I only use the water hose to annoy them enough to leave, but if I lived in a place where a stray pellet wouldn't break a window or bean someone in the head I would not hesitate to use a pellet gun on them. And before you hunters make fun of me, yes I am actually a good shot, I just can't take that chance of hurting someone.
I've also had hand to hand combat with the raccoons, well with a baseball bat or a water hose in my hand! For the most part they don't come around anymore. :)
On a side note, I just had 3 Pølser for dinner! Yum, Danish hot dogs!
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/denmark/zealand/copenhagen/tulippolser/09ristethotdog.jpg
Looks like your pic was removed
Someone found all that food offensive :ha:
I have found a lot of sites where pics do not link & you are left with the red "X"
I saw your post last nite asking who deleted the pic
http://images114.fotki.com/v647/photos/9/969466/3881843/funnyerror-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1246/photos/9/969466/3881843/red_x_warning-vi.gif
momoese
01-07-2010, 10:22 AM
Looks like your pic was removed
Someone found all that food offensive :ha:
I just checked by pressing the edit button and the link is no longer there meaning a mod must have removed my picture of a hotdog. :rolleyes:
It looked like this. :chefnaner:
MediaHound
01-07-2010, 01:57 PM
When I moved that hunting thread to the X-Files, I did 2 things:
1. I moved the thread to a holding area only viewable to moderators
2. I removed the images from our photo gallery
This thread about the reminder about offensive content was posted in regards to 2 things.
1. Uploading off topic images here to Bananas, as well as
2. the offensive thread.
I think the title of the thread was descriptive enough to warn anyone sensitive to the topic. I read the posts here and reconsidered and put the thread back where it was. Have at it (http://www.bananas.org/f9/deer-hunters-howd-you-do-10474.html).
I have not restored the images, and do not plan to.
Be courteous and please do not upload pictures like that here. The most recently uploaded images are viewable from our main page.
The general rule is, if you have to ask if its allowed, its probably not.
Use your judgment and be courteous of your peers. In addition, if its a topic you are sensitive to, don't read the thread. I realize the pics were unavoidable and that takes us back to the other aspect.
Fair enough?
LilRaverBoi
01-07-2010, 02:12 PM
Snipe hunting as a gag is done without weapons where the "snipe" don't live or may live its not done for any other purpose than to have fun :^)
LOL...oh yeah...I know all about taking people 'snipe hunting!' Give em a pillow case and a stick and set em loose on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Then you tell em something like 'I'm gonna go around to the other side and flush them out and you catch them when they come at ya.'
Then you just leave. :ha:
Dalmatiansoap
01-07-2010, 02:20 PM
When I moved that hunting thread to the X-Files, I did 2 things:
1. I moved the thread to a holding area only viewable to moderators
2. I removed the images from our photo gallery
This thread about the reminder about offensive content was posted in regards to 2 things.
1. Uploading off topic images here to Bananas, as well as
2. the offensive thread.
I think the title of the thread was descriptive enough to warn anyone sensitive to the topic. I read the posts here and reconsidered and put the thread back where it was. Have at it (http://www.bananas.org/f9/deer-hunters-howd-you-do-10474.html).
I have not restored the images, and do not plan to.
Be courteous and please do not upload pictures like that here. The most recently uploaded images are viewable from our main page.
The general rule is, if you have to ask if its allowed, its probably not.
Use your judgment and be courteous of your peers. In addition, if its a topic you are sensitive to, don't read the thread. I realize the pics were unavoidable and that takes us back to the other aspect.
Fair enough?
Amen
:woohoonaner:
Abnshrek
01-07-2010, 03:06 PM
Well I have seen some of the material that is blocked for good conscience sake here.. like the "adult humor" thread.. that's for PM's, emails, & such.... Not to say they aren't funny, but not for here... :^)
momoese
01-07-2010, 03:21 PM
Cool, thanks Jarred! :)
Snipe hunting as a gag is done without weapons where the "snipe" don't live or may live its not done for any other purpose than to have fun :^)
Migael, you have been misled or maybe on a "wild goose chase", with all the wetlands there in LA you are probably right in the middle os some very good snipe hunting. I love snipe hunting when I find a place where there are enough to hunt. They get up flying side to side and are very hard to hit, but good to eat.
Patty in Wisc
01-07-2010, 03:49 PM
I never heard of snipe.
jeffreyp
01-07-2010, 03:51 PM
snipes seem awfully small to eat?
THREAD WRECK! I know that only two of us from the original Thread Wreckers R Us are still here, but let's have a go at it, shall we?
Shrek, Agouti say that I Guanta Guanta for the best-tasting wild game out there. And now I'll Tapir off and let Bob or somebody take over.
Thanks Beth but I won't be commenting. I had to take my first day off of here while home after seeing some of the.... " hunters hit animals on purpose with your car" and other accusations of intentional cruelty. So not true, yet these posts are ok.....Think I'll stick to lurking for a while.....
stumpy4700
01-07-2010, 04:09 PM
Jarred. I think that is exactly what everyone is in agreement on After reading all the prior posts. Thank you for taking the time to hear out all sides of the debate.
djmb74
01-07-2010, 04:11 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28679&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28679&ppuser=5793)
These guys have done a great job of keeping down my squirrel population!
djmb74
01-07-2010, 04:22 PM
Thanks Jared very fair decision on the subject.
My 2 cents: I am in agreement on the issue with the pictures and I understand the point of view. But do not agree with all topics only being on banana's ...
In order to make a forum active and to get it to grow is to get lots of activity and in order to do that you need to get people to socialize on the site and that includes talking about members interests and those that have the same interest chiming in so people can get to know each other even better!
I never heard of snipe.
Common Snipe (http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/Infocenter/i2300id.html)
I can send a link to a hunting season and limit on snipe if you like. Alabama season on snipe is Nov 14 to Feb 28 with a limit of 8 a day--if you have enough shells--that would take me at least 4 boxes.
sunfish
01-07-2010, 07:45 PM
Seaboard Broiled Snipe
Recipe By: Jacqueline E. Knight
Amount Measure Ingredient Preparation Method
Snipe - 1 to 2 per person
1 tablespoon Cooked crumbled bacon per bird
1 teaspoon Minced sweet pickle per bird
2 tablespoons Softened butter per bird
1/2 teaspoon Seasoned salt per bird
1/4 teaspoon Freshly-ground black pepper per bird
1 teaspoon Paprika per bird
1 slice Raw bacon per bird
Fill cavity with crumbled browned bacon and sweet pickle, mixed.
Truss birds, cover with softened butter, and dust with seasoned salt,
pepper, and paprika. Wrap in bacon slice. Brown in the broiler. When
browned, reduce heat to medium or lower rack and broil for 13 to 16
minutes more, basting and turning frequently
harveyc
01-07-2010, 08:01 PM
Migael, you have been misled or maybe on a "wild goose chase", with all the wetlands there in LA you are probably right in the middle os some very good snipe hunting. I love snipe hunting when I find a place where there are enough to hunt. They get up flying side to side and are very hard to hit, but good to eat.
Nah, he wasn't misled, there are just two different types of snipe hunting and some folks have fun with the non-lethal form. I knew that some folks did actually hunt the real snipes in daylight (Wikipedia has a section on it), but I had never known anyone that had done it. I'm quite surprised that they are good eating. I hunted doves almost 40 years ago and they can be quite difficult to hit but I decided that I didn't like hunting a symbol of peace and found that they didn't have enough meat on them to justify killing them. I've had people ask if they could hunt doves on my farm and I always tell them my farm is a safe haven for doves.
That sounds good Tony--I like to cook my dove wrapped in bacon and stuffed with jalapeno and cream cheese.
Here is a like to wikipedia:Wilson's Snipe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson's_Snipe)
harveyc
01-07-2010, 08:14 PM
Thanks, Jarred. Just to clarify: I don't plan on posting any hunting photos but was wondering if it was okay if someone wanted to post a link to a photo hosted elsewhere? Seems safe enough to me.
Thanks again,
Harvey
MediaHound
01-07-2010, 10:52 PM
Thanks Jared very fair decision on the subject.
My 2 cents: I am in agreement on the issue with the pictures and I understand the point of view. But do not agree with all topics only being on banana's ...
In order to make a forum active and to get it to grow is to get lots of activity and in order to do that you need to get people to socialize on the site and that includes talking about members interests and those that have the same interest chiming in so people can get to know each other even better!
Thanks... also in regards to topics being on bananas, that's what the Tiki Hut is for, it's why we have it. A place to discuss all other things.
MediaHound
01-07-2010, 10:55 PM
Thanks, Jarred. Just to clarify: I don't plan on posting any hunting photos but was wondering if it was okay if someone wanted to post a link to a photo hosted elsewhere? Seems safe enough to me.
Thanks again,
Harvey
That's fine, but remember if you delete your picture from xyz picture hosting service, remember it will remove it from your thread here. It's annoying seeing threads where people deleted their source pic and didn't realize it affected other websites where it was embedded from. Most of those services cap your storage space and people find the need to clear it out at times, etc. So just spread the word about the benefits to put banana pics here in our gallery instead.
harveyc
01-07-2010, 11:44 PM
Thanks, Jared. The only place I've ever uploaded banana photos to is right here at the org. In the future, any picture of a trapped rat won't be uploaded here! My host gives me unlimited storage space so I don't plan on deleting any files unless I have a brain malfunction and make a mistake. ;)
varig8
01-08-2010, 11:29 AM
I too agree with Clare; I am also an animal/plant lover and dont wish to cause harm to any living creature while I am graciously allowed to live this life on such a beautiful planet. I believe that EVERYTHING on earth has beauty and is a part of the spirit from which it was created. If your intent to kill is to promote recreation or amusement then it should go against spirit. I grew up in a family of hunters and the family ate what they killed (except for me-I cried!) I dont think we have this right to destroy what we did not create for purposes other than what is necessary. This practice of killing for sport and amusement will hopefully fade from our culture as more of the culture becomes enlightened. (Or the world will be destroyed as we know it and it all just crumbles at our feet from being gobbled up by its blind inhabitants). The bottom line is this is supposed to be a site about BANANAS. If you want to talk about killing for sport or amusement and post pictures of this , then go do it on a site devoted to that. I promise I wont go there and post photos of bananas.
momoese
01-08-2010, 12:34 PM
I am not a vegetarian yet as I do eat chicken and fish
Yeah, those chicken and fish don't really count.
djmb74
01-08-2010, 12:39 PM
I am sorry to hear you say that Clare I enjoy your input on topics and I think there were a few on this thread that voiced their concerns about this topic as you did...
Its just the Internets Clare don't let a difference of view or opinions or lack of other people compassion towards your feelings stop you from continuing the same as you always have with this forum... Who knows maybe your here to help dissuade the people from their evil critter killing ways! :-)
Thanks so much, varig8, for your beautiful words. I wish more people here felt like that.
It has been disappointing for me to see that, even after I expressed the fact that hunting and killing things is upsetting to me, the conversation went on to the topic of killing squirrels, shooting snipe, eating veal and dove wrapped in bacon, and other topics which are objectionable to me. Patty even remarked that the thread was better than the hunting thread. I could have stopped visiting this thread and wanted to, but I wanted to read Jarred's response to it, and now I have.
Since I am the only one that seems to be objecting to this topic, I will gracefully bow out of the community and accept that this community does not care about my feelings or share my feelings and that this may not be a community of my peers.
I did enjoy talking to people about bananas and learning about bananas, and I plan to still occasionally visit threads where I am sure there won't be talk about killing things.
harveyc
01-08-2010, 12:54 PM
Clare, we do care about what you find objectionable but you don't seem to care that others have the right to an opinion different than yours.
Having food right next to you where you live is just letting someone else do the killing for you/us. That doesn't make it any more "right". I believe hunting for our own food is ethical and so is killing to protect our own food (snails, insects, rodents, etc.), especially when deterrents don't work. Killing solely for the "sport" (fun?) of it is not.
I hope you stay. I believe others respect that you and your opinions and hope you can have the same of others.
I believe it is important to protect populations of animals. Hunters were the first conservationist. I do not believe in letting animals suffer, but Mother Nature does. Starvation, disease, predation all result in more suffering of animals than hunting. Man is the only predator left in many cases. Hunting does more to protect the habitat of many non-game animals than most other efforts.
Most people nowadays do not even have to cut up the chicken they eat and that has led to an increase in sensitivity to all things related to eating meat. I am not a vegetarian, I eat meat, most of it meat that I have gotten from nature rather than the hormone and chemically modified meat found in the grocery store.
momoese
01-08-2010, 01:39 PM
Mitchel, you've missed my point completely. This isn't about what I or what you eat. It's about killing living things in the wild when it isn't necessary. If you were to move to a remote area of the world, maybe somewhere in Alaska, then you would need to hunt and fish to survive, but most of us have food and meat available to us right where we live. I never implied that we should all be vegetarians, and I admitted that I am not yet. The bottom line is that people shouldn't have to come to a forum where hunting is being discussed when they are coming to the forum to learn about growing bananas. That's really my point.
Please don't be antagonistic towards me just because you disagree with me. I am not attacking you for your beliefs.
I expressed the fact that hunting and killing things is upsetting to me
So I guess the chicken and fish that you ate just killed themsevles?
I'm just pointing out that you can't have it both ways. Remember we are a comunity of like minded people here, we like to grow bananas, but that's not all we have in common and we like to talk with our fellow banana growers about other aspects of our lives. We can't do that any other place so Jarred has provided us a special forum called the Tiki Hut. You could start a thread about saving animals, knitting with recycled tires or anything else for that matter. I might not read them but I promise I won't complain about them or belittle the people posting in them! :bananas_b
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 01:40 PM
But Clare, you attacked me because I believed that this thread was better than the
deer hunter' thread - (because of the funnies)! I said that BEFORE the recipes showed, and ONLY because of the humor coming from Dave, Shrek & Momo. Daves post of M Word & Momo getting his pic of a animated hot dog deleted was hilarious ya goof. I don't laugh at recipes...I take them serious!
You don't live in Alaska & are not trying to 'survive', so why do you eat chicken & fish? They got slaughtered ya know! You & Varig8 are getting carried away w/ your nitpicking here while at the same time your... Now, go make yourselves a comfort food -like a box of mac & cheese with all the preservatives & chemicals that you are prolly pumping into your kids, & leave the meat-eaters alone.
And, stop accusing ppl here of "killing for amusement" because I really don't think anyone is! We trap/kill animals to protect out kids/property or for food. I don't tell you you're less of a person cuz you don't practice my religion do I?
harveyc
01-08-2010, 01:46 PM
Ouch, no need for that last sentence, Patty. Some ideas that come to mind should stay right there where they originate.
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 02:19 PM
Sorry Harv, ...better now?
Abnshrek
01-08-2010, 02:43 PM
Ok calm down.. I kill only for purpose. I definately respect overyone's views. I was watching the Fine Living Network and some guy was eating Reindeer, whale and some other stuff. Of course he was in Sweden or Norway (I've been there before & frozen butt off) I believe in culture and they can do what they do in moderation. Everyone has choices, and since this is america so I don't press my views on others, now I may share them but I don't think everyone should be like me. I do believe everyone has a purpose to make the world a better place in one way, shape or form. I do believe recreational or people that "kill for the fun of it" have something wrong with them (truly).
By the way this thread based on the conversation is better than Patty's Deer hunting thread just for the record and that's all that was meant by the comment previously. People on here take way to many things personal that aren't intended that way initially. Of course there is always escalation, then compromise, reasoning & a clearing of the air that never should have been cloudy in the first place. Just remember we're all here for a common purpose. Our not so related reasons shouldn't cause such a commotion.. Be Well and don't freeze your buns off :^)
mjdsinsacto
01-08-2010, 02:44 PM
redacted
Wow ...
clearly, this reminder is not working.
... This thread about the reminder ...
Be courteous and please ... be courteous of your peers. In addition, if its a topic you are sensitive to, don't read the thread ...
Fair enough?
All I meant to say is that I really don't want to come to a banana site and find a thread on killing animals because they are pests or killing animals as game.
This site is divided into forums and the forums into threads. If you don't want to find a thread on hunting, don't visit the tiki hut where people may be discussing any of the things not related to bananas that may offend you.
If killing pest disturbs you, then don't read banana threads about pest--there may be someone there out to kill them.
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 03:39 PM
It was varig8 that said ppl here kill for amusement & you said you agreed w/ him/her so I thought it was you Clare.
BTW, mjd, I edited my post at 1:15 & deleted the words you have highlited so I'd appreciate it if you delete them. Look at the time I posted at top of this page - after I edited first time. What's up w/ you posting "Quote" 1/2 hr later after I edited?
mjdsinsacto
01-08-2010, 04:03 PM
It was varig8 that said ppl here kill for amusement & you said you agreed w/ him/her so I thought it was you Clare.
BTW, mjd, I edited my post at 1:15 & deleted the words you have highlited so I'd appreciate it if you delete them. Look at the time I posted at top of this page - after I edited first time. What's up w/ you posting "Quote" 1/2 hr later after I edited?
Yeah, I was quoting your words, and also mediahound's reminder for courtesy to our peers ... and I review and format my posts carefully for grammar and content before submitting. and ... i ... t y p e ... v e r y ... s l o w l y.
as far as the time lapse, that's what happens when you work off of multiple windows, cutting and pasting, editing, spell checking, changing cable stations, popping my cup of chocolate in the micro, cutting myself a chunk of smoked gouda, columbo salami and honey smoked ham, etc., etc. probably took as long to post this message ... no, i take it back, this one took longer.
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 04:09 PM
I'll be right over w/ a bottle of wine!
harveyc
01-08-2010, 05:03 PM
I just killed some hunger pangs and thought I should have had a beer with my cheese pizza (don't eat meat on Fridays), but thought I might get out of hand. Yeah, one beer can just about do me in! lol
Okay, I'll make a more useful point here. I had a career in agricultural lending for about 28 years, with the last 20+ years spent in auditing. Communicating in a tactful and charitable manner goes a long ways in helping preventing conflict. Also, addressing issues in a way that that makes them less personal without unnecessary adjectives, etc. also helps.
For instance, when I found someone intentionally misrepresenting a borrower's repayment ability (included a very large source of income that the file clearly showed now longer existing), I could have written my criticism such as "loan analyst falsified borrower's repayment ability by including fraudulent projections based on income that clearly was no longer available!" This would imply the loan officer's intent (by use of the word falsified and fraudulent) and help make him/her appear stupid with the use of the word clearly. I make it even worse by adding an exclamation point. This would without a doubt help encourage a defensive response and we would get nowhere in addressing the actual problem, but focus on our own character and personalities, etc. Instead, I wrote something to the effect "loan analysis does not accurately reflect borrower's repayment ability as projections includes a major source of income which file documentation shows to no longer exist". This is an actual case from 24 year ago. The officer still became defensive, but nearly as much as if I had made the more aggressive comments.
In general, it's best not to state what another person's intentions or motives were for making a particular comment unless they have specifically said so. Also, writing "I feel...." instead of "you did..." helps.
Finally, we need to consider the point of a comment we are contemplating making. Will it help inform others or resolve this conflict? If we're just making a comment to point out the fault of someone else, it's probably best not to make the comment unless it's something like "Don't ever mix ammonia with bleach or you may kill yourself!"
Peace,
Harvey
fishoifc
01-08-2010, 06:02 PM
Brrrrrrr! how bout those temps.
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 06:10 PM
Cold & cloudy here w/ a chance of meatballs.
harveyc
01-08-2010, 06:52 PM
To make it clear, those comments are directed for everyone, including myself. I was just telling another member that I don't always follow my own advice but I do usually stop and think about my post before clicking "submit" and I've canceled dozens of messages. I'm potentially a bigger jerk than most of you realize! ;)
LilRaverBoi
01-08-2010, 07:08 PM
Wow...this thread is not closed yet?? :ha:
Okay, all opinions aside (trying to remain neutral)...HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES, meaning they are meant to consume/digest/gain sustenance from plants and meat. This has to do with our body's teeth structure, the enzymes our stomachs secrete and the proteins we need to survive/grow. The truth of the matter is that all carnivores/omnivores hunt and eat meat. Humans have a LONG LONG history of hunting animals for food (and protection) since the dawn of our existence.
Due to our intelligence and higher psychological/physical abilities, we have gained methods of obtaining food easier rather than the hunter/gatherer methods we previously relied on. Such methods as growing our own crops, domesticated animals, etc. Some people still choose to hunt wild game and eat it to supplement their diet of field grown/domesticated foods. I don't believe this is in ANY way unnatural as it has been going on for thousands of years. I find no difference in eating a deer you hunted than eating beef or chicken you bought at a supermarket. If anything, it's more natural to hunt for food...since these animals have a MUCH better life than most mass-produced domesticated animals (free range, organic and grass-fed, etc are exceptions).
Some people choose not to eat meat for a variety of reasons. I do not feel that either side should discriminate against or criticize the other. If you choose to eat meat and/or hunt, that's fine. If you choose to eat some meat, but not others or to eat no meat at all...again, that's your choice to make. I don't feel that anyone is in the position to criticize anyone else's motives/reasons or personal choices on the matter. If you find hunting cruel and choose not to part-take, fine. But realize this is a natural thing that has been going on for as long as humans have been on this planet. We either hunt wild animals for food or we grow our own. If it weren't for hunting, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE NOW. Plain and simple. It is a part of our heritage/traditions/history. Have whatever opinion you have on your preference of whether to hunt/not hunt, but no one should be criticized for hunting/not hunting.
Moreover, we can all act like adults here. Petty bickering and personal attacks will get us nowhere. It is counterproductive to progress and it's entirely possible to disagree with someone in a respectful manner without insulting them.
There are my two copper Lincolns. Thanks.
djmb74
01-08-2010, 07:39 PM
Im offended by the ad with the half naked girl on the front page telling me I am fat and need to lose weight!!!!
lol
Harvey, you are right. We never really know what someone else's intentions or feelings are unless they tell us, although sometimes we can make a pretty good guess when we have some evidence as in the case you describe.
It is easy to offend someone by falsely ascribing their intentions as that usually goes directly to their character, but in reality it often reflects badly on the character of the person making the accusations.
MediaHound
01-08-2010, 07:56 PM
Im offended by the ad with the half naked girl on the front page telling me I am fat and need to lose weight!!!!
lol
So its turned to a mockery, is that it?
djmb74
01-08-2010, 08:13 PM
No was not mocking anyone... just was the first thing that came up when I came back to the site. I apologize if that is how it appears...
The amount of posts on this topic does seem to have gotten out of hand though and I guess me adding to the list of comments wasn't helping either...
:coldbanana:
So its turned to a mockery, is that it?
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 08:19 PM
I think Martin was just trying to lighten things up. I saw the humor in it.
Just for record, shortly after I shot my mouth off, I went back & edited/deleted 2 parts but someone else re posted it.
And, I did apologize to Clare.
Scuba_Dave
01-08-2010, 09:20 PM
So its turned to a mockery, is that it?
I hope no-one is mocking you !!
And I must be slow...I just realized that you are the Jarred that everyone talks about
Thank you for this site
I may eventually get some decent size banana plants - maybe never any fruit
And ya know...that girl is one ad I sort of dislike - must be the winter "addage" on me :ha:
But I know ads are what helps pay the cost of running sites like these
So no complaints about ads
Abnshrek
01-08-2010, 09:34 PM
Ok I think things are on the up swing <-Heading to the Bar to hunt down & Kill a couple beers :^) & Dave I hope you get fruit too :^)
Migael, I have just one lingering question. Did you actually go on a "snipe hunt"? The unreal kind you were talking about--or did you take somebody?
Abnshrek
01-08-2010, 10:37 PM
Both.. fool me once.. :^)
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 11:26 PM
So its turned to a mockery, is that it?
No Jarred, No. Maybe you're trying to make the point that Harvey & SBL made which is "we should all refrain from claiming to know others intentions".
and that's cool & TRUE! Martin was making lite of things.
Bryan, nice writing pal! You forgot to mention that the American Indians hunted buffalo for food AND the skins for coats to keep them warm in winter! It was survival!
Very well written Bryan.
Rmplmnz
01-08-2010, 11:41 PM
Brrrrrrr! how bout those temps.
Soooo...what are you catching with those outriggers?
Billfish?
You can still afford to troll with the uptick in fuel prices?
Abnshrek
01-09-2010, 01:39 AM
Im offended by the ad with the half naked girl on the front page telling me I am fat and need to lose weight!!!! lol
I just saw "that ad"... & I'm only offend if it's a dude :^) (not mocking anyone either)
harveyc
01-09-2010, 02:08 AM
FYI - I run Firefox for my browser along with Ad Blocker so I miss that offensive stuff! ;)
Lagniappe
01-09-2010, 02:45 AM
FYI - I run Firefox for my browser along with Ad Blocker so I miss that offensive stuff! ;)
And here I thought you were ignoring me.
Both.. fool me once.. :^)
My uncle tried to fool me and tried to get me to "hold the bag", but I knew too much about the real snipe. I have helped in a few "snipe drives".
cherokee_greg
01-09-2010, 10:39 AM
No Jarred, No. Maybe you're trying to make the point that Harvey & SBL made which is "we should all refrain from claiming to know others intentions".
and that's cool & TRUE! Martin was making lite of things.
Bryan, nice writing pal! You forgot to mention that the American Indians hunted buffalo for food AND the skins for coats to keep them warm in winter! It was survival!
Very well written Bryan.
we cant forget about the Native Americans now :lurk:
Abnshrek
01-09-2010, 11:06 AM
My uncle tried to fool me and tried to get me to "hold the bag", but I knew too much about the real snipe. I have helped in a few "snipe drives".
I don't think we had any bags.. more like half in the bag. :^)
Simply Bananas
01-09-2010, 11:08 AM
LOL... I just tuned in.
Eight pages is evidence to suffice that the recent cold snap has created cabin-fever-run-a-muck. Go outside...check on the plants it not really that cold(I found myself probing p-stems with an instant read thermometer).
I'm not hunter of game, but a hunter of fish like others here. I eat meat and vegetables that have been killed.
If people shy away from the realities of the world because its distasteful, they only decrease their scope of life. So be it. The realities do not go away.
How bad was it really when we had to 'eat everything on their plates' growing up? I learned to appreciate many things that I found to be "horrible" at that time.
School forced me to read books I never would have even looked at(Tess of the d'Urbervilles.... anyone?).
Because we see, hear, taste, things not exactly to our liking its human nature to make choices about them. We can return to them again if need be, ie for a dose of reality.
I've enjoyed all 8 pages....carry on!
Patty in Wisc
01-09-2010, 11:43 AM
Yes, the cold snap & recent full moon did it I guess, along w/ some strong opinions!
Scuba_Dave
01-09-2010, 11:56 AM
Eight pages is evidence to suffice that the recent cold snap has created cabin-fever-run-a-muck. Go outside...check on the plants it not really that cold(I found myself probing p-stems with an instant read thermometer)
I tried to go out & check the plants.........one problem
I can't even get the Christmas decorations out yet :ha:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/Daveywb/xmas/DSCF6463.jpg
Rmplmnz
01-09-2010, 12:21 PM
"Be kind; everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."
- Plato
LilRaverBoi
01-09-2010, 12:58 PM
we cant forget about the Native Americans now :lurk:
LOL....well you know I 100% support the ways/culture of Native Americans. They were definitely implied in my last post. I simply avoided referencing any specific American cultures to keep everything more worldly and less ethnocentric. Again...neutrality and universality were main goals in my previous posting.
I don't think we had any bags.. more like half in the bag. :^)
How did you do it? For us we would tell the new hunters that we knew a ditch where there were a bunch of snipe and that all they had to do was hold the bag (an old croaker sack) open at the end of the ditch and we would drive the snipe down the ditch and they would go right into the bag. We would then set them up at the end of the ditch and leave--telling them we were going to the other end of the ditch and that it would take us a while. We would do this at night and just wait and see how long it took for them to figure it out.
Real snip do like ditches.
Abnshrek
01-09-2010, 08:45 PM
I Like I said I was half in the bag.. it wasn't far from where I had my car parked. folks were spread out in lane in the scrub brush and give the "hey we're going around to the other side to chase them @'cha.. of course they went back down to the lake and sucked some more beer...no bags or gunny sacks, just a gag :^)
varig8
01-09-2010, 09:45 PM
Hey Patty of Wisc; Id appreciate it if you didnt mis-represent what I wrote, please re-read what I wrote- I never stated that "ppl here kill for amusement". Funny how out of everything I wrote that this was the only thing you got out of it. Says a lot.
"I too agree with Clare; I am also an animal/plant lover and dont wish to cause harm to any living creature while I am graciously allowed to live this life on such a beautiful planet. I believe that EVERYTHING on earth has beauty and is a part of the spirit from which it was created. If your intent to kill is to promote recreation or amusement then it should go against spirit. I grew up in a family of hunters and the family ate what they killed (except for me-I cried!) I dont think we have this right to destroy what we did not create for purposes other than what is necessary. This practice of killing for sport and amusement will hopefully fade from our culture as more of the culture becomes enlightened. (Or the world will be destroyed as we know it and it all just crumbles at our feet from being gobbled up by its blind inhabitants). The bottom line is this is supposed to be a site about BANANAS. If you want to talk about killing for sport or amusement and post pictures of this , then go do it on a site devoted to that. I promise I wont go there and post photos of bananas."
Scuba_Dave
01-09-2010, 10:01 PM
I promise I wont go there and post photos of bananas."
Thats what Off-topic is about - anything
And very simple in case you aren't aware of this, if it says "HUNTING" (or something like that) as the thread title don't open it
varig8
01-09-2010, 10:10 PM
I didnt open anything. I was confused and kind of shocked by the new uploaded pictures on the homepage when I was expecting to see new photos of bananas on a bananas site!:eek:
Scuba_Dave
01-09-2010, 10:36 PM
Shocked by a picture of a deer ? :lurk:
Abnshrek
01-09-2010, 10:50 PM
I didnt open anything. I was confused and kind of shocked by the new uploaded pictures on the homepage when I was expecting to see new photos of bananas on a bananas site!:eek:
& it took you this long to express yourself?
Rmplmnz
01-09-2010, 10:51 PM
I didnt open anything. I was confused and kind of shocked by the new uploaded pictures on the homepage when I was expecting to see new photos of bananas on a bananas site!:eek:
The good news is Jarred came up with a resolution that should work for everyone:
When I moved that hunting thread to the X-Files, I did 2 things:
1. I moved the thread to a holding area only viewable to moderators
2. I removed the images from our photo gallery
This thread about the reminder about offensive content was posted in regards to 2 things.
1. Uploading off topic images here to Bananas, as well as
2. the offensive thread.
I think the title of the thread was descriptive enough to warn anyone sensitive to the topic. I read the posts here and reconsidered and put the thread back where it was. Have at it (http://www.bananas.org/f9/deer-hunters-howd-you-do-10474.html).
I have not restored the images, and do not plan to.
Be courteous and please do not upload pictures like that here. The most recently uploaded images are viewable from our main page.
The general rule is, if you have to ask if its allowed, its probably not.
Use your judgment and be courteous of your peers. In addition, if its a topic you are sensitive to, don't read the thread. I realize the pics were unavoidable and that takes us back to the other aspect.
Fair enough?
People that are sensitive to hunting pics will not find them on the home page (certainly this is a reasonable expectation) and people that hunt for various reasons will be able to discuss their common interests (it is beneficial and promotes the board to share interests outside of bananas) on a well labeled thread that members who find this offensive will easily be able to avoid.
Patty in Wisc
01-09-2010, 10:59 PM
quote from varig8:
"If your intent to kill is to promote recreation or amusement then it should go against spirit."
Well, that's where I got my statement from!
Do you really think that every pic here will be of bananas? We also post pics of our kids, dogs, cats, bugs, flowers, farms, houses, citrus ...etc. Open your mind a little. I belong to a citrus forum that also has a forum to post anything about anything just like Tiki Hut.
So, what's your BEEF!??.......Wellington!
LOL:)
Scuba_Dave
01-09-2010, 11:05 PM
I've seen bloodier roasts at the grocery store
And blood spattered butchers
Not to mention what you can see on TV
Patty in Wisc
01-09-2010, 11:24 PM
Exactly!!!
varig8
01-09-2010, 11:28 PM
quote from varig8:
"If your intent to kill is to promote recreation or amusement then it should go against spirit."
Well, that's where I got my statement from!
Do you really think that every pic here will be of bananas? We also post pics of our kids, dogs, cats, bugs, flowers, farms, houses, citrus ...etc. Open your mind a little. I belong to a citrus forum that also has a forum to post anything about anything just like Tiki Hut.
So, what's your BEEF!??.......Wellington!
My BEEF is that you misconstrued what I wrote and took it upon yourself to "blame" me instead when Clare pointed out the bit about being attacked. This is exactly my "BEEF": thats where you got your statement from-this is what YOU got out of it. This is NOT what I wrote; I did not write that "PPl here kill for amusement". If you cant tell the difference between the 2 statements, read them again. The INTENT is more clearly expressed by another sentence I did write; "I dont think we have this right to destroy what we did not create for purposes OTHER THAN WHAT IS NECESSARY." In other words, if you need/want to hunt for food I have no objection. You implied that I did. I do object to hunting for sport or amusement. This is no longer looked upon as acceptable in most cultures, especially animals that are near extinction because they are or were being wiped out by man. That was disgraceful and at one time was 'normal' and culturally acceptable. Thank God, small minded thinking by small minded people usually does fade away as we as a culture do EVOLVE. Just my thoughts and opinion. I also object to your assuming that I don't have an open mind. I have been travelling the world for over 20 years working in the film industry and think I might just have a little bit of an open mind about a lot more than bananas and hunting from many cultures. This thread has gotten way off topic, my bottom line was the same, I believe, as Clares point. If I had never been a member and came to this site looking for information about bananas and saw pictures of dead animals, I would have thought "What the ?". Its just common sense.
Scuba_Dave
01-09-2010, 11:41 PM
Common sense says that you can see almost anything on the Internet
Abnshrek
01-09-2010, 11:45 PM
You if you added 2 sentences when you were whinin' the first time you wouldn't have started the mess all over again...
Patty in Wisc
01-09-2010, 11:53 PM
quote:
"I have been travelling the world for over 20 years working in the film industry and think I might just have a little bit of an open mind about a lot"
But yet you freak out when you see a pic of a deer that looks like he's sleeping? Oh my, you gotta get out more.
That deer fed ppl a lot of meals!
varig8
01-10-2010, 12:04 AM
well, I have no more time tonight for immature bickering and bantering back and forth, and BTW, none of the intent of anything I wrote was meant as antagonistic towards anyone on this site, I have to get up early for another film shoot, Im such a closed minded MORON, that never gets out, I guess, and for having wasted my time trying to get such a simple point across which seems to be incomprehensible to some of your minds. Maybe I should move somewhere like, say, the middle of Wisconsin and sit on the PC 24/7 instead to "open my mind" a bit more...........
Abnshrek
01-10-2010, 12:12 AM
Maybe but I'm sure they may think your just another FIB :^) on vacation.. with that perception..
Patty in Wisc
01-10-2010, 12:20 AM
varig8, I just want to say I'll stand by you in attacking ppl for killing just for the kill, but I think you also said you don't mind it if the animal is put to use - as in feeding a family...or was that Clare? The hunters here, & ppl who don't object, don't kill just for the kill. Maybe you can put your energy into the poachers who are killing friendly dolfins, whales, elephants etc. I am against that. Just leave the legal hunters alone, -who feed their families w/ their legal hunting, . I'm sorry you saw a dead animal on here at homepage...I didn't see it. But the pic was small so, did you click on it to make it bigger to get a better look?
Patty in Wisc
01-10-2010, 12:26 AM
O M'Gosh, varig8 is getting up early tomorrow to go shooting :):):):)
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
harveyc
01-10-2010, 12:53 AM
Please be charitable. Without some kindness, we can be our own worse enemy.
Simply Bananas
01-10-2010, 07:38 AM
I do object to hunting for sport or amusement. This is no longer looked upon as acceptable in most cultures, especially animals that are near extinction because they are or were being wiped out by man. That was disgraceful and at one time was 'normal' and culturally acceptable. Thank God, small minded thinking by small minded people usually does fade away as we as a culture do EVOLVE. Just my thoughts and opinion. I also object to your assuming that I don't have an open mind. I have been travelling the world for over 20 years working in the film industry and think I might just have a little bit of an open mind about a lot more than bananas and hunting from many cultures.
I too have been traveling the world for over 21 years working in the very same film industry(I also have a degree in Biology). However, respectfully, if you think that hunting for sport is no longer looked on as acceptable in MOST cultures, then you have not been very observant.
The truth is that only a minority of cultures find hunting unacceptable. The chief reason being that those cultures have already reduced the game populations to dangerously low levels through habitat destruction or hunting. Its not an 'evolved culture' that deems hunting unacceptable.
What has evolved is the broad understanding about animal populations and the biology/ecology behind that. In the late 1800's, when entire towns in Texas spent weekends emptying the sky of passenger pigeons, they had no idea they were killing the animals to extinction. The technology for knowing animal populations estimates really did not exist back then. However, now, we as humans the world over, are much better at managing wildlife populations(for the most part). Fishing/hunting regulations are designed to sustain animal populations at the carrying capacity for that region and not as moral guidelines by an 'evolved culture'.
Simply Bananas, I don't disagree that there were a lot of passenger pigeons killed by hunters. When the white man came to this country the passenger pigeon population is believed to have been between 4 and 9 billion birds.
But the vast majority of those birds were not killed as adults, they were simply picked up live off the ground as squabs loaded into wheelbarrows and then boxcars and shipped to markets like New York. Passenger pigeons had a strange reproductive process of gathering in massive flocks to nest. They would feed the squabs for 2 weeks and kick them out of the nest as they let the fledglings continue to develop. Predators would feast on the flightless squabs, but the overwhelming numbers satiated the predators--until man arrived.
By the time we realized the population was too low it was too late--they would not breed without the massive numbers. They had a few in captivity that they tried to breed, but they never built a nest.
The biggest effect on most animal populations is loss of habitat. Hunters are one of the major forces protecting critical habitats for many, spending billions of dollars to protect habitat, thru organizations like Ducks Unlimited, support of game management areas, hunting preserves (no hunting) and hunting leases that encourage land owners to manage their land as better habitat for game.
fishoifc
01-10-2010, 09:02 AM
Soooo...what are you catching with those outriggers?
Billfish?
You can still afford to troll with the uptick in fuel prices?
Not many billfish in our area now.Yes fuel prices have led to a great drop in our business but I dont have to pay for fuel. I currently am not doing much sportfishing, Locally we wont get going good until April,I have decided to stick out the winter here on a commercial net boat, and you wouldnt believe how offensive that can be.
For the new people to this thread It is my fault, I saw the hunting thread got excited and thought I could post my pics too. I wasnt thinking about the other people when I posted,again sorry.
I also said nobody ever wins.
Scuba_Dave
01-10-2010, 09:10 AM
I'm sorry you saw a dead animal on here at homepage...I didn't see it. But the pic was small so, did you click on it to make it bigger to get a better look?
That's something I just realized - the pictures are VERY small
There is NO way you could make out any detail - other then it was a deer
And around the world most people hunt for food...very much accepted
Diving in the Carribean we were sad to see the pretty fish that we keep in our salt water aquariums being caught for food
Giant clams harvested for food
Dolphin (the fish) caught & killed with a big stick as they are hauled into a small boat
I've never seen most animals killed that I eat....but the ones that I have it doesn't stop me from eating them at all
I think you perhaps are referring to the trophy hunters - that put the head on their game wall
But the bodies of these animala ARE used for food....not wasted
Generally its the poachers who are taking heads/tusks etc
What TV show was it where a person suddenly could hear plants/fruits screaming in pain as they were "killed" ?
Not many billfish in our area now.Yes fuel prices have led to a great drop in our business but I dont have to pay for fuel. I currently am not doing much sportfishing, Locally we wont get going good until April,I have decided to stick out the winter here on a commercial net boat, and you wouldnt believe how offensive that can be.
For the new people to this thread It is my fault, I saw the hunting thread got excited and thought I could post my pics too. I wasnt thinking about the other people when I posted,again sorry.
I also said nobody ever wins.
Can you believe what a stir we've caused with 2 seemingly harmless photo's.
At least yours was a nice a buck! Mine was just meant as a fairly innocent commentary on the hardships involved...... not anywhere close to commercial netting though. Kind of crazy that this post generated more interest than the original. I have to wonder if the fishing pics would be looked on the same? I think from now on I'll just stick with bananas though:ha: No one "won" this one for sure..... what a shame.:( A lot of nasty words and rhetoric between members ... and for what?
Can you believe what a stir we've caused with 2 seemingly harmless photo's..... A lot of nasty words and rhetoric between members ... and for what?
Maybe we learned that what is offensive to us exist in our own minds. Some may be offended by picures of dead animals, some by talking about hunting or recipies for meat. Others may be offended by the assertion that they are uncivilized or part of a less advanced civilization, leading them to believe that the person who said it is ignorant. Some things are offensive to most people (like nude pictures and foul language) and clearly do not belong on a site like this.
Bottom line is that we cannot know what exist in other people's mind, we do not know their intent or sensitivities. If something offends us, we should avoid it. If you only want to see discussions about bananas, don't visit the Tiki Hut.
I come to this site mainly to learn about bananas, but my world is much bigger than bananas. I enjoy the enlightenment I get in the Tiki Hut.
damaclese
01-10-2010, 10:07 AM
some how i missed this entire thread and the original thread too but after reading a good number of the post i can't say I'm sorry
YUCKY!!
cherokee_greg
01-10-2010, 10:51 AM
:woohoonaner: I cant beleve this is still going on !!!!!!!!!!! :lurk: :drum:
Randy4ut
01-10-2010, 11:50 AM
MY TURN!!!!
I have sat back and followed both these threads and am appalled at how some of the folks on here can sit there and keep this crap going!!! Why don't we all just let this thing die and go on sharing our experiences with what we are all here for, bananas, and other plants that we all share a common interest in. If I want to talk about other topics with folks, I use a site like Facebook or MySpace. This site is for sharing information on growing and caring for bananas and other plants.
As far as pictures go, I have been amazed at what some people upload in our, bananas.org's, picture gallery! Why don't you use a photosharing site like Photobucket to store pics and save this site's gallery for its intended purpose. Photobucket is free and is easy to use that I can even use it!! You can always link a pic off photobucket to a thread and not have it downloaded here. Sure would have kept this crap from ever happening in the first place!!!
I am trying to be nice here and voice my opinion that I have held back for quite some time, but can't keep quiet any longer!!!
People get a grip and shut up and get on with other topics for which Jarred has so graciously provided this site for!!!!
Jarred has tried to be impartial and provided some explanation of what he expects and many of you are more or less "snubbing your nose" at him and keeping this thread going!!!
Sure do miss the way it used to be here when there were people who respected each other and agreed to disagree! Many VERY knowledgable people have left this site because of how some of you are acting right now and I honestly cannot blame them, but I am still hopeful that there are enough of us "old timers" here that can help get everyone on the same page.
All I want is for people to respect one another and treat each other kindly!!!
Okay, now that is off my chest, have a good day and lets talk BANANAS!!!
momoese
01-10-2010, 12:10 PM
If I want to talk about other topics with folks, I use a site like Facebook or MySpace. This site is for sharing information on growing and caring for bananas and other plants.
While id like to see the needless bickering end as well it's people saying exactly this ^^ that really bothers me. Why do you and others keep suggesting to talk about other things elsewhere when Jarred was kind enough to provide us with a place to talk right here, with people we already know and respect?
As far as pictures go, I have been amazed at what some people upload in our, bananas.org's, picture gallery! Why don't you use a photosharing site like Photobucket to store pics and save this site's gallery for its intended purpose. Photobucket is free and is easy to use that I can even use it!! You can always link a pic off photobucket to a thread and not have it downloaded here. Sure would have kept this crap from ever happening in the first place!!!
Agreed and the people who uploaded pictures here have already said they were sorry, enough already!
Many VERY knowledgable people have left this site because of how some of you are acting right now and I honestly cannot blame them, but I am still hopeful that there are enough of us "old timers" here that can help get everyone on the same page.
While I don't doubt this do you have any proof of it? Sometimes people get bored and move on to other things/places.
All I want is for people to respect one another and treat each other kindly!!!
That would be great! :bananas_b
Okay, now that is off my chest, have a good day and lets talk BANANAS!!!
And other things in the Tiki Hut :)
Abnshrek
01-10-2010, 01:22 PM
What TV show was it where a person suddenly could hear plants/fruits screaming in pain as they were "killed" ?
Was it Veggie Tales? :^)
Randy4ut
01-10-2010, 01:31 PM
Mitchel,
I figured you would be one of the first to try and tear me apart for posting my feelings. You are so good at it along with a few others here! Agree that Jarred did indeed provide us with the Tiki Hut, obviously, the Tiki Hut is where 90% of the problems exist and that is why I VERY seldom even venture in there!
As far as having "proof" that older members have left because to the direction you and a few others seem to try and push this site toward, yes I do have proof, but do not feel that providing you with anything is needed. You have NO idea how many people I have talked with that have left or are still here and about to leave, but that is between me and them. There is such a thing as trusting someone's word without having to have proof. I have never given you or anyone else a reason to doubt my word!
I know the people that posted the pics in question apologized and I believe they meant no harm, but like I stated at the beginning of my post, I have sat back and wanted to voice my opinion on this. I was not bringing it back up for any reason but to state that this would have all been avoided if this was done in the first place.
Now, if you feel like you want to pick my words apart again, go ahead, but I would appreciate it if you would pm me about your concerns so we can work it out in private and not waste anymore energy on this. Thanks....
Patty in Wisc
01-10-2010, 02:18 PM
aw c'mon Randy, I don't think anyone wants to tear you apart:)
Hey, we have an imaginary bar in Tiki Hut so, I'm going there now to have a bloody mary & watch the football game:)
(oh, on Mitchels tab of course)
momoese
01-10-2010, 02:19 PM
Sorry Randy, that was not my intention to "tear you apart" I'll send you a "nice" pm. :)
Patty in Wisc
01-10-2010, 02:34 PM
There was a 60's movie called "Little Shop of Horrors" with a plant named Audry (I think), who said "feed me" & he was fed ppl. Is that it?
momoese
01-10-2010, 02:39 PM
Patty, I made a separate thread about it here:
http://www.bananas.org/f9/secret-life-plants-10856.html
Dalmatiansoap
01-10-2010, 03:10 PM
There was a 60's movie called "Little Shop of Horrors" with a plant named Audry (I think), who said "feed me" & he was fed ppl. Is that it?
Haha, Patty that was the movie that forced me to learn English:ha:
YouTube - Feed Me (Git It) - Little Shop of Horrors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRN39oifsE)
Wonderfull
:woohoonaner:
Patty in Wisc
01-10-2010, 03:26 PM
Oh thanks Ante, I never saw this before. I only saw the original made in 60's (?)
Abnshrek
01-10-2010, 04:13 PM
[QUOTE=Patty in Wisc;117668]I never saw this before.[QUOTE]
Me either looked like steve martin & dude from Honey I shrunk the kids.. Pretty funny :^)
sirmoebly
01-10-2010, 04:13 PM
Bob, you should of seen the deer my dad missed ooohh my gosh talking about bullwinkle..... put that one to shame. Thought there was a wild cow out there? Well anyways just wanted to say sorry for posting the picture in question to everyone..... I think?mabe I don't know! (would of been nice if one of the moderaters would of notified me thou......) & gave me a reason other than just kicking me off the thread & taking the picture out of my gallery....... A short pm would of worked.... If I get out of line let me know. How else do you learn..... I really don't post stuff if it didn't mean anything. I do come here for plants & to learn from other people.... Go figure I go to the tikki hut for the first time & start all this stuff!!!!! Just wanted to say sorry & it won't happen again. Just plants from now on......
Randy4ut
01-10-2010, 07:10 PM
aw c'mon Randy, I don't think anyone wants to tear you apart:)
Hey, we have an imaginary bar in Tiki Hut so, I'm going there now to have a bloody mary & watch the football game:)
(oh, on Mitchels tab of course)
You never cease to amaze me, lady!!! You just have to get your two cents in on everything don't you!!! Why don't you learn to mind your own business and let others work out differences between themselves without you sticking your nose into their business!?!?!?!
MY TURN!!!!
I have sat back and followed both these threads and am appalled at how some of the folks on here can sit there and keep this crap going!!! Why don't we all just let this thing die and go on sharing our experiences with what we are all here for, bananas, and other plants that we all share a common interest in. If I want to talk about other topics with folks, I use a site like Facebook or MySpace. This site is for sharing information on growing and caring for bananas and other plants.
As far as pictures go, I have been amazed at what some people upload in our, bananas.org's, picture gallery! Why don't you use a photosharing site like Photobucket to store pics and save this site's gallery for its intended purpose. Photobucket is free and is easy to use that I can even use it!! You can always link a pic off photobucket to a thread and not have it downloaded here. Sure would have kept this crap from ever happening in the first place!!!
I am trying to be nice here and voice my opinion that I have held back for quite some time, but can't keep quiet any longer!!!
People get a grip and shut up and get on with other topics for which Jarred has so graciously provided this site for!!!!
Jarred has tried to be impartial and provided some explanation of what he expects and many of you are more or less "snubbing your nose" at him and keeping this thread going!!!
Sure do miss the way it used to be here when there were people who respected each other and agreed to disagree! Many VERY knowledgable people have left this site because of how some of you are acting right now and I honestly cannot blame them, but I am still hopeful that there are enough of us "old timers" here that can help get everyone on the same page.
All I want is for people to respect one another and treat each other kindly!!!
Okay, now that is off my chest, have a good day and lets talk BANANAS!!!
Wow! You obviously think you can read minds and either don't care or did not read my post about offending people by asserting motives in their post. It offends me when you assert that I am a mean person that is snubbing my nose at Jarred--nothing could be further from the truth.
I believe that I have been respectful (as well as have most of the people posting here). I have continued to read and post on this thread because I find it enlightening and at times humorous (like the part about snipe hunting (the imaginary kind) and the recipe for snipe--"truss the legs of the snipe" lol). I like chatting with most of the people on this thread. There are other threads in the Tiki Hut I have not read or posted to--I am not interested in them--so I do not read them.
Patty in Wisc
01-10-2010, 08:22 PM
You never cease to amaze me, lady!!! You just have to get your two cents in on everything don't you!!! Why don't you learn to mind your own business and let others work out differences between themselves without you sticking your nose into their business!?!?!?!
Wow Randy, I was trying to lighten you up a bit. I never said a bad word/thing to you. Everyone here has been posting their opinions, including you. If it was just between you 2 maybe it should not've been posted for all to see. Sorry if what I said offended you - I didn't mean to.
I don't know why, but you seem very angry.
island cassie
01-10-2010, 08:29 PM
C'mon guys - don't spoil this site with one set of bickering after another.
harveyc
01-10-2010, 08:32 PM
C'mon guys - don't spoil this site with one set of bickering after another.
Amen!
Scuba_Dave
01-10-2010, 08:46 PM
3,222 Views....making it about the 4th most viewed thread recently - almost 3rd
Everyone loves a trainwreck :(
island cassie
01-10-2010, 08:48 PM
sadly and destructive to no point.
Abnshrek
01-10-2010, 08:59 PM
I second that motion.. I think the recent cold spurt isn't helping much.. It's like a feeding frenzy..
Randy4ut
01-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Wow Randy, I was trying to lighten you up a bit. I never said a bad word/thing to you. Everyone here has been posting their opinions, including you. If it was just between you 2 maybe it should not've been posted for all to see. Sorry if what I said offended you - I didn't mean to.
I don't know why, but you seem very angry.
Dear lady, I suggest you reread the thread where I posted my FIRST OPINION and then Momese dissected it. I, then responded and asked him to pm me if he would like to discuss it in private, which he did and we have discussed it and all is good. This leads me back to you having to throw your "2 cents" in where it was not needed or asked for. I am NOT angry, just been sitting by watching and felt I had a right to voice my opinion, which I did.
sbl, I never mentioned you or even thought of you when I wrote it, but if the shoe fits.... Maybe you feel I was directing this toward you, which I wasn't, for a reason!!!
Now, I am completely done with this thread and will not respond to anymore comment on here. If someone wishes to discuss this with me in private, I am more than willing to do so in private via pm.....
Dear lady, I suggest you reread the thread where I posted my FIRST OPINION and then Momese dissected it. I, then responded and asked him to pm me if he would like to discuss it in private, which he did and we have discussed it and all is good. This leads me back to you having to throw your "2 cents" in where it was not needed or asked for. I am NOT angry, just been sitting by watching and felt I had a right to voice my opinion, which I did.
sbl, I never mentioned you or even thought of you when I wrote it, but if the shoe fits.... Maybe you feel I was directing this toward you, which I wasn't, for a reason!!!
Now, I am completely done with this thread and will not respond to anymore comment on here. If someone wishes to discuss this with me in private, I am more than willing to do so in private via pm.....
You did not specify who you were addressing, so in that case your post appears to be addressing everyone that has posted on this thread.
Everybody should refrain from making negative comments about others, but I believe that everyone has a right to express their opinions about subjects or their feelings and does not need to be asked to comment.
The point that I have made several times is that it can be offensive to people (all people) to have their motives misrepresented--that is probably more offensive to most people than the subject that started this thread. Nobody but the person making the post knows what their motivation is.
Patty in Wisc
01-11-2010, 10:54 AM
"with things like murder, suicide, child abuse, spousal abuse, domestic violence, accidental drownings, gang violence, etc., "
None of this was topic here, ..so go to your friends and talk of this.
Simply Bananas
01-11-2010, 11:03 AM
Clare! Touchy Touchy.
I never addressed/judged you or your views. Pot meet kettle.
Hunting/Fishing are accepted hobbies. Murder, suicide, child abuse, spousal abuse, domestic violence, accidental drownings, gang violence, etc., are not and no pictures were posted of such. Please do not assume that I equated the two.
Patty in Wisc
01-11-2010, 11:53 AM
Clare! Touchy Touchy.
I never addressed/judged you or your views. Pot meet kettle.
Hunting/Fishing are accepted hobbies. Murder, suicide, child abuse, spousal abuse, domestic violence, accidental drownings, gang violence, etc., are not and no pictures were posted of such. Please do not assume that I equated the two.
I'm not the only one wondering why you would even bring this up. We were discussing hunting here & there really were no "gory details' OK?
Abnshrek
01-11-2010, 01:15 PM
My point was wouldn't it be nice if there were somewhere where you can go to get away from all that, like a forum about the love of growing bananas?
Nicely put :^) ((I'm not choosing sides)(putting on protective armor)) lol
momoese
01-11-2010, 01:43 PM
Just thought I'd point out that there different way of navigating this website. I generally just click on the "Daily Posts" button and in doing that I subject my self to seeing every new thing that's been posted that day. Obviously this includes all things that have been posted in the "Tiki Hut" A person can also go directly to the area they want to visit right from the home page, like the "Main Banana Discussion" "Cold Hardy Bananas" etc etc. and not be subjected to anything but what's specific to that area of the site. I actually used to navigate the site that way but I have broadened my interests and now do read some of the other areas like the TC, Cold Hardy and other plants sections so it's easier to just click the "Daily Posts" button.
Here is an idea for Jarred. Is there a way to code the board so that the only way a person can see anything in the Tiki Hut is by actually entering that area? This way the new posts or daily posts buttons wouldn't show anything but plant areas. Just a thought.
harveyc
01-11-2010, 02:21 PM
Not in a big way, I'm a little perturbed that a bunch of non-banana photos have pushed my ripe banana bunch off of the main page. They are nice plants, but not a single plant being displayed on the home page banner right now is a banana. There ought to be a law... ;) I wonder if maybe a photo should have to have a keyword "banana" to pop up there. Thoughts?
Good point Mitchel, I do the same as you, but I just noticed something about this thread--it is not in the Tiki Hut--it is under Site News & Help. The hunting thread that started this, however, is in the Tiki Hut.
Not in a big way, I'm a little perturbed that a bunch of non-banana photos have pushed my ripe banana bunch off of the main page. They are nice plants, but not a single plant being displayed on the home page banner right now is a banana. There ought to be a law... ;) I wonder if maybe a photo should have to have a keyword "banana" to pop up there. Thoughts?
Picture of my bananas now would not be very nice--very sad--dead things, in fact they could even be considered offensive to some people!
Scuba_Dave
01-11-2010, 02:39 PM
Picture of my bananas now would not be very nice--very sad--dead things, in fact they could even be considered offensive to some people!
Is this due to the freeze you guys are having down there ? :(
I use Quick links - Today's post - to see threads
Patty in Wisc
01-11-2010, 02:49 PM
I never used that, but Mitchel, I think that's a great idea.
Is this due to the freeze you guys are having down there ? :(
Yeah, I started uncovering things today and looked inside my shop (unheated) where I put most of my container bananas and sensitive plants--pineapple, dragon fruit--mushy plants. All of the outdoor bananas are just black mush, I am not even sure if the wrapping and insulation saved the stems--at least the corms will survive. My citrus is frozen, I spent much of today juicing frozen fruit, I can only hope that the damage to the trees is not permanent--ie death of the tree. I probably won't be enjoying home grown fruit next fall and winter like I have this yr.
cherokee_greg
01-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Yeah, I started uncovering things today and looked inside my shop (unheated) where I put most of my container bananas and sensitive plants--pineapple, dragon fruit--mushy plants. All of the outdoor bananas are just black mush, I am not even sure if the wrapping and insulation saved the stems--at least the corms will survive. My citrus is frozen, I spent much of today juicing frozen fruit, I can only hope that the damage to the trees is not permanent--ie death of the tree. I probably won't be enjoying home grown fruit next fall and winter like I have this yr.
Sorry to hear about your plants:2141:
It is not all bad news, I think my avocados survived unharmed and I know I did not loose my big citrus trees--just probably some leaves and maybe some limbs. I did have 2 pinapples that were almost ripe that I put in the garage--they are OK--I will get new plants from them, but I would have had 2 more blooming in spring.
I am sorry about that too, sbl. That's awful. I can send you some dragon fruit cuttings in the spring, and lot of my bananas have pups so remind me in the spring.
Mitchel, you are right. I have starting using "New Posts" recently and see all the threads that were posted on, but I can go back to just visiting the Main Menu, which is where my interests lie mainly other than Classifieds.
Thanks Clare, I might take you up in the dragon fruit, but I am sure my bananas survived at the corm--I just don't expect any blooms this yr.
harveyc
01-11-2010, 06:15 PM
Someone said earlier that dead bananas might be offensive to someone. These bananas are definitely dead but I can't imagine them being offensive to anybody! I'm proud of my bananas (and Michael, my son!) :D Banana Gallery - Update on 2009 Mystery (Namwah?) Banana (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28816&cat=500&ppuser=775)
Clare, I hope this means you'll continue visiting our banana threads.
varig8
01-11-2010, 06:37 PM
Just thought I'd point out that there different way of navigating this website. I generally just click on the "Daily Posts" button and in doing that I subject my self to seeing every new thing that's been posted that day. Obviously this includes all things that have been posted in the "Tiki Hut" A person can also go directly to the area they want to visit right from the home page, like the "Main Banana Discussion" "Cold Hardy Bananas" etc etc. and not be subjected to anything but what's specific to that area of the site. I actually used to navigate the site that way but I have broadened my interests and now do read some of the other areas like the TC, Cold Hardy and other plants sections so it's easier to just click the "Daily Posts" button.
Here is an idea for Jarred. Is there a way to code the board so that the only way a person can see anything in the Tiki Hut is by actually entering that area? This way the new posts or daily posts buttons wouldn't show anything but plant areas. Just a thought.
Heres another idea, Is there a way to code the board so that the only way a person can see anything written by Patty in Wisconsin (tropical NUT) is by actually entering that area? Just a thought.
momoese
01-11-2010, 06:48 PM
Heres another idea, Is there a way to code the board so that the only way a person can see anything written by Patty in Wisconsin (tropical NUT) is by actually entering that area? Just a thought.
I think you can go to your control panel and opt to ignore any person you want, then their posts won't show up for you.
mjdsinsacto
01-11-2010, 06:55 PM
Heres another idea, Is there a way to code the board so that the only way a person can see anything written by Patty in Wisconsin (tropical NUT) is by actually entering that area? Just a thought.
Tune out undesirables by adding their usernames to the "Ignore List"; you can find it in Control Panel, under Miscellaneous. Any and all posts by the undesirable will look as follows:
Today, 11:49 AM
Remove user from ignore list
Patty in Wisc
This message is hidden because Patty in Wisc is on your ignore list.
Works just as well for private messages. But not as well as banning.
It's reversible. To show specific postings, you can click the "view this post" button for the post. To "undo"the general ignore, click on "Remove user from ignore list".
Very helpful in keeping the ranting and raving to a minimum.
Rmplmnz
01-11-2010, 10:41 PM
Not in a big way, I'm a little perturbed that a bunch of non-banana photos have pushed my ripe banana bunch off of the main page. They are nice plants, but not a single plant being displayed on the home page banner right now is a banana. There ought to be a law... ;) I wonder if maybe a photo should have to have a keyword "banana" to pop up there. Thoughts?
Not to jump in the mix on this one...just a general comment about the picture volume and an opportunity to throw out a compliment in particular to Jarred and the growth of the forum. I remember when the same pics would stay on the home page for days on end...some threads limped along with an occasional post. Not anymore.
There have been a few eerrrrr..........occasional "differences in opinion"....but wow what a job Jarred and the other moderators have done in controlling/limiting the flaming. Gardeners are so #@*&^%$ opinionated. I recall almost getting kicked off another board (exaggeration) over getting in to a discussion about the hazards of parasites in animal manure within a compost pile (not that it is relevant; but I dismissed the idea as being insignificant. I can not even recall the name of the parasite we discussed).
We all searched through other forums/web sites looking for more "Banana" specific sites. Never enough "Banana" discussions to satiate the quest for knowledge. I have added more cultivars (some are mush now) to my collection in 2009 than in any other single year (I have been growing bananas for over 40 years). Not to mention all of the great people (many in person; way more than I would have thought) I have met.
Kudos to Jarred, the other moderators and the "entire membership base (even the ones i do not always agree with!
:woohoonaner:
Patty in Wisc
01-12-2010, 01:44 PM
Ignore list is a good idea! Click on "private messages" then on left - bottom, click on buddy/ ignore list & type in the person screen name in IGNORE list & then 'save'.
I like to go right to homepage & I click whatever I want to read on so that's best for me. If I click on "new post", there are some that I don't care to read at the time.
MediaHound
01-12-2010, 06:55 PM
Just thought I'd point out that there different way of navigating this website. I generally just click on the "Daily Posts" button and in doing that I subject my self to seeing every new thing that's been posted that day. Obviously this includes all things that have been posted in the "Tiki Hut" A person can also go directly to the area they want to visit right from the home page, like the "Main Banana Discussion" "Cold Hardy Bananas" etc etc. and not be subjected to anything but what's specific to that area of the site. I actually used to navigate the site that way but I have broadened my interests and now do read some of the other areas like the TC, Cold Hardy and other plants sections so it's easier to just click the "Daily Posts" button.
Here is an idea for Jarred. Is there a way to code the board so that the only way a person can see anything in the Tiki Hut is by actually entering that area? This way the new posts or daily posts buttons wouldn't show anything but plant areas. Just a thought.
Thanks Mitchel, its a good idea.
What we can also do is create an Adults Only / Mature area (or give it an even better name) and make people A) "log in" and then, B) "opt in" to that section to participate. Then the Tiki Hut can be kept even cleaner and all the obscenity, foul language, politics, religion, amputation, non-plant death, hunting, dirty jokes, and other forms of controversial topics can be kept inside there. And it'll basically be a free for all. Offenders and people who make casual mistakes will get their threads moved into said section. And we could easily exclude it from showing up in the daily/new posts links.
Any other ideas to enhance the upcoming changes? Thanks for your help, I think we're finding a better way to handle things moving forward.
momoese
01-12-2010, 07:04 PM
Jarred, when you say "opt in" does that mean that once opted in to the Tiki hut, that the daily or new posts would show up for me when "I" press the daily button?
Thanks Mitchel, its a good idea.
What we can also do is create an Adults Only / Mature area (or give it an even better name) and make people A) "log in" and then, B) "opt in" to that section to participate. Then the Tiki Hut can be kept even cleaner and all the obscenity, foul language, politics, religion, amputation, non-plant death, hunting, dirty jokes, and other forms of controversial topics can be kept inside there. And it'll basically be a free for all. Offenders and people who make casual mistakes will get their threads moved into said section. And we could easily exclude it from showing up in the daily/new posts links.
Any other ideas to enhance the upcoming changes? Thanks for your help, I think we're finding a better way to handle things moving forward.
Great idea.......if it eliminates the sensless bickering that's been going on...so much better for the .org.
lorax
01-12-2010, 07:39 PM
I like it.
Randy4ut
01-12-2010, 08:01 PM
Thanks Mitchel, its a good idea.
What we can also do is create an Adults Only / Mature area (or give it an even better name) and make people A) "log in" and then, B) "opt in" to that section to participate. Then the Tiki Hut can be kept even cleaner and all the obscenity, foul language, politics, religion, amputation, non-plant death, hunting, dirty jokes, and other forms of controversial topics can be kept inside there. And it'll basically be a free for all. Offenders and people who make casual mistakes will get their threads moved into said section. And we could easily exclude it from showing up in the daily/new posts links.
Any other ideas to enhance the upcoming changes? Thanks for your help, I think we're finding a better way to handle things moving forward.
I just don't understand why this site would need an Adults Only/Mature area. Why not just take the Adult topics to an adult site!!! This IS bananas.org and thought it was designed for sharing information about bananas and other like plants. Always felt this site was a spot where I didn't mind even letting my kids visit. I was always proud to tell people about this forum, but if someone sees there is an Adults Only section, it might show this place with a bad preception. Still do not see the need for it...
Randy4ut
01-12-2010, 08:03 PM
Great idea.......if it eliminates the sensless bickering that's been going on...so much better for the .org.
There is going to be bickering no matter where the area is. Folks this time of year just have to "bicker" for some reason. Seen it on all forums I have ever been a part of. This site is no different and an Adults Only section will not solve that... I mean I have seen some ugly wars over something as simple as someones hardiness zone.
jrozier
01-12-2010, 08:08 PM
I like the idea, but maybe just call it "Off-topic area" or something like that...."Adults Only/Mature area" has sleazy connotations. (Although we should all be acting like mature adults!)
jrozier
01-12-2010, 08:14 PM
There is going to be bickering no matter where the area is. Folks this time of year just have to "bicker" for some reason. Seen it on all forums I have ever been a part of. This site is no different and an Adults Only section will not solve that... I mean I have seen some ugly wars over something as simple as someones hardiness zone.
This is true, Randy. I've noticed the winter conversations of all the gardening boards go a little crazy.:gif_esqui
harveyc
01-12-2010, 08:34 PM
I've been a member of a gardening Yahoo group (focused on gardening in state not very close to where I live!) for about a year and it's been quite pleasant there. I feel kind of funny posting to their group since I'm not from their state but I've been told by a couple of members that they appreciate my involvement. I was telling one of the other members last night that I what a pleasant group it is (especially significant since they've had temps in the teens) and he agreed and said he had been a member of about five other groups but he has quit all of the others because of the politics, bickering, etc. I keep wondering if maybe I should move. Some part of the country sure tend to have friendlier folks than others based on my travel experiences. Reminds me of when I met a guy named Cookie down at Avery Island in August 1988. He wondered what the heck these bankers were looking at him and his friends in his boat (one of my co-workers had an aloha shirt on and a camera danging from his neck, we really looked like our spaceship had just landed). We chatted a bit and he offered us a boat ride on the boyou (Deliverance crossed our mind) and, when he learned we were staying at a hotel, he suggested we just crash out at his place and party. Unfortunately, we had a work assignment to complete, but the hospitality there will never be forgotten!
And, no, I'm not going to tell you the name of that other group because I'd like it to stay just like it is! ;)
Peace,
Harvey
Randy4ut
01-12-2010, 08:47 PM
I've been a member of a gardening Yahoo group (focused on gardening in state not very close to where I live!) for about a year and it's been quite pleasant there. I feel kind of funny posting to their group since I'm not from their state but I've been told by a couple of members that they appreciate my involvement. I was telling one of the other members last night that I what a pleasant group it is (especially significant since they've had temps in the teens) and he agreed and said he had been a member of about five other groups but he has quit all of the others because of the politics, bickering, etc. I keep wondering if maybe I should move. Some part of the country sure tend to have friendlier folks than others based on my travel experiences. Reminds me of when I met a guy named Cookie down at Avery Island in August 1988. He wondered what the heck these bankers were looking at him and his friends in his boat (one of my co-workers had an aloha shirt on and a camera danging from his neck, we really looked like our spaceship had just landed). We chatted a bit and he offered us a boat ride on the boyou (Deliverance crossed our mind) and, when he learned we were staying at a hotel, he suggested we just crash out at his place and party. Unfortunately, we had a work assignment to complete, but the hospitality there will never be forgotten!
And, no, I'm not going to tell you the name of that other group because I'd like it to stay just like it is! ;)
Peace,
Harvey
Harvey, I do not blame you!!! I would keep it to myself also... I used to tell everyone that bananas.org was a place like that, but can't any more... shame it has come to this...
damaclese
01-12-2010, 09:06 PM
hmm i have no idea what to say to all of this. i talk to the people i like and i dont to the people i dont like. it makes it prity simple and no one gets that mad at me that i know of any way.
lets argue over my zone LOL just kidding!!!!
CookieCows
01-12-2010, 09:30 PM
Ok I'm just shaking my head in disbelief at the mention of an adults only section here. This is a gardening forum for petes sake!!!
Winter is no excuse for problems in my opinion.
Deb
Patty in Wisc
01-12-2010, 10:01 PM
Winter is not a problem here either. With the cold we've had, no one has ranted. Up here, it brings us closer. I think 1 or 2 peeps here didn't take their meds though.
Yeah, I think "adults only" forum sounds like a porno site LOL.
I do not think we need a separate forum, the Tiki Hut is a separate forum. I can see installing some mechanism to select or exclude specific forums, or threads from being listed on your individual "daily post" or "new post" listings.
What some people are calling bickering is simple discussion or different opinions (everyone has a right to express their opinion about a subject), but we should all refrain from personal attacks and keep the discussions focused on the subject (not meaning that the subject cannot change--thread derailers are OK--sometimes funny).
Scuba_Dave
01-12-2010, 10:40 PM
Yes it's shame that something as simple as a few pictures were blown out of proportion by a few people
Every forum that I am on has an area like the Tiki hut
Lagniappe
01-12-2010, 10:42 PM
Ok I'm just shaking my head in disbelief at the mention of an adults only section here. This is a gardening forum for petes sake!!!
Winter is no excuse for problems in my opinion.
Deb
Leave me out of this!
CookieCows
01-12-2010, 10:50 PM
Leave me out of this!
Good one Pete! You made me really laugh out loud!!!
Patty in Wisc
01-12-2010, 11:10 PM
That was funny LOL...there's a lot of good humor on this thread. M'gosh, over 4200 views in 8 days!
Scuba_Dave
01-12-2010, 11:28 PM
Ok....I didn't get it....but now I do...so his name is Pete :ha:
saltydad
01-12-2010, 11:39 PM
Possibly 'Uncensored" or 'Opt In" could be better names. This issue came up in a baseball forum I'm in. Some of the discussions on politics, religion, etc. threatened the integrity of the forum. It is an excellent forum, and we didn't want to see the forum beset by all the rancor. So we did exactly what has been proposed, create an 'Opt In' section. Just about anything goes there (except for nudity), but you can have political discussions, adult jokes, etc. without worrying about the age of the persons or if they might be offended. Anyone who opts in to the section agrees that it's an anything goes section, and except for racial or religious attacks. etc., it's accepted. It has worked out quite well for us. We find that people of a common interest can also share other interests. In other words, we like to hang around together on line. I think it's certainly worth considering.
djmb74
01-13-2010, 10:16 AM
I think this was already resolved when the problem was pointed out about pictures showing up on the front page and the solution is to not post pictures that some may consider offensive on the site...
I think it is ridiculous to have to have an "adult only section", tiki hut the way it is, is fine. This whole issue just got blown out of proportion by back and forth jabs and the fact it so cold out and people aren't spending enough time outside planting!
If you feel you are getting worked up about conversations others are having that you do not agree with stop reading, turn your computer off take a deep breath and move on! That applies to both sides of all the conversations! Come on guys get a grip and stop making Jarred's job here harder than it should be!!! I am sure he has better things to do than to babysit and recreate the site with some other opt in garbage! I am sure every person here has the ability to censor what they want to participate in just fine all on their own!
Personality conflicts happen its a fact of life whether on the internet or when you step out your front door. It is not a reflection on this site or showing a drastic change of the site, it just happens and you move on and the ignore list is a perfect tool to deal with that here!
I think this has been an awesome site, still is and will continue to be in the future!
Bananaman88
01-13-2010, 12:48 PM
I just don't understand why this site would need an Adults Only/Mature area. Why not just take the Adult topics to an adult site!!! This IS bananas.org and thought it was designed for sharing information about bananas and other like plants. Always felt this site was a spot where I didn't mind even letting my kids visit. I was always proud to tell people about this forum, but if someone sees there is an Adults Only section, it might show this place with a bad preception. Still do not see the need for it...
I agree. I'm not a prude, but as Randy mentioned, this isa site about bananas.
I think this was already resolved when the problem was pointed out about pictures showing up on the front page and the solution is to not post pictures that some may consider offensive on the site...
I think it is ridiculous to have to have an "adult only section", tiki hut the way it is, is fine. This whole issue just got blown out of proportion by back and forth jabs and the fact it so cold out and people aren't spending enough time outside planting!
If you feel you are getting worked up about conversations others are having that you do not agree with stop reading, turn your computer off take a deep breath and move on! That applies to both sides of all the conversations! Come on guys get a grip and stop making Jarred's job here harder than it should be!!! I am sure he has better things to do than to babysit and recreate the site with some other opt in garbage! I am sure every person here has the ability to censor what they want to participate in just fine all on their own!
Personality conflicts happen its a fact of life whether on the internet or when you step out your front door. It is not a reflection on this site or showing a drastic change of the site, it just happens and you move on and the ignore list is a perfect tool to deal with that here!
I think this has been an awesome site, still is and will continue to be in the future!
Right on!
Abnshrek
01-13-2010, 12:52 PM
I don't think it should be called an adult section; more like as non-banana & plant section.. My only question will adult Humor be stored in that section? then I can read all of Tog's jokes he posted completely :^)
saltydad
01-13-2010, 01:11 PM
I really don't appreciate my comments being called 'garbage' by other members here. I have tried very hard not to come down on one or the other side here. I think it is totally unreasonable to think that banana-loving people couldn't have other interests that they would like to share with other members. I'm not a hunter anymore, just with my camera, but I refrained from comments either way. With an opt-in system, such threads (which are NOT about bananas but definitely are not everyone's cup of tea) would no longer be a problem. I had an adult joke thread a while ago. It seemed to be popular but some here were offended. So I stopped. This could also be in the opt-in section. I am trying very hard to help keep this a cordial group with many diverse interests but with one overarching interest, bananas. Work with us guys instead of the negative comments and derogatory words. And those of you against the idea? Just don't opt in. Simple.Thanks.
djmb74
01-13-2010, 01:25 PM
Grow up!
Sorry your idea wasn't garbage... that's just what this whole thread has become.
You totally missed that point of my post!
The site does not need an area dedicated to dirty jokes...
This was about posting pics of dead animals not about having an x rated area to opt into... jeeze! The issue has been resolved by the parties involved saying they will not post pics that may be offensive...
"Move on, nothing to see here! These are not the droids you are looking for!"
Ok shutting down my computer now and walking away... actually gonna go fix one of my computers that lost a vid card!
I really don't appreciate my comments being called 'garbage' by other members here. I have tried very hard not to come down on one or the other side here. I think it is totally unreasonable to think that banana-loving people couldn't have other interests that they would like to share with other members. I'm not a hunter anymore, just with my camera, but I refrained from comments either way. With an opt-in system, such threads (which are NOT about bananas but definitely are not everyone's cup of tea) would no longer be a problem. I had an adult joke thread a while ago. It seemed to be popular but some here were offended. So I stopped. This could also be in the opt-in section. I am trying very hard to help keep this a cordial group with many diverse interests but with one overarching interest, bananas. Work with us guys instead of the negative comments and derogatory words. And those of you against the idea? Just don't opt in. Simple.Thanks.
momoese
01-13-2010, 01:44 PM
I don't remember anything being said about an x-rated area. I think what Jarred was saying is that with an opt in we could have the adult humor thread or similar back again which many people did enjoy and no one would be subjected to anything other than bananas and other plants unless they choose to opt in, and I'm sure there would still be rules even in that area. Seems like a win win to me.
djmb74
01-13-2010, 05:25 PM
I know it was an exaggeration of the point!
I don't remember anything being said about an x-rated area. I think what Jarred was saying is that with an opt in we could have the adult humor thread or similar back again which many people did enjoy and no one would be subjected to anything other than bananas and other plants unless they choose to opt in, and I'm sure there would still be rules even in that area. Seems like a win win to me.
Patty in Wisc
01-13-2010, 10:33 PM
After reading here, I realize why none of the pics I ever posted here never came up on homepage (I wondered why over a year ago). I never put pics in this gallery LOL!
saltydad
01-14-2010, 12:25 AM
Grow up!
Sorry your idea wasn't garbage... that's just what this whole thread has become.
You totally missed that point of my post!
The site does not need an area dedicated to dirty jokes...
This was about posting pics of dead animals not about having an x rated area to opt into... jeeze! The issue has been resolved by the parties involved saying they will not post pics that may be offensive...
"Move on, nothing to see here! These are not the droids you are looking for!"
Ok shutting down my computer now and walking away... actually gonna go fix one of my computers that lost a vid card!
Grow up?? Grow up?? This is the type of discourse you want? Let me tell you something, sonny boy, I grew too damn fast in a little Asian nation in the late 60s while serving as an Army medic. I earned the right to express myself, and I've been doing it in a calm and I thought gentlemanly fashion. That what I've asked for in this discussion, a calm conversation with respect all around. I see some might not want that. Fine. If further need to insult me is necessary for you to sound off, do it to me in a PM and don't bother the rest of the org. Now can we get back to bananas?
djmb74
01-14-2010, 09:33 AM
I'm sorry Salty didn't mean to be disrespectful!
And thank you for your service in the military!
You may have been on of those that saved my father's life after a 5 hour hand grenade fight! He still has shrapnel in his back!
saltydad
01-14-2010, 02:29 PM
djmb74 was kind enough to send me a nice PM on this. Thanks to you; I appreciate this!
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