ron_mcb

first off i know this is possible. i have seen video of people grafting and i have read about it.this technique is centuries old..i want to know who has personally tried to graft two banana varieties via corm? what 2 varieties did you use in your experiment? did you fail?? did it work?? will you try it again? do you have pictures of the outcome? please post pics

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asacomm

I personally don't think it possible due to the structure of the plant.
However it is indeed an interesting dream whatever merits will be occured.
Mauro Gibo once posted about this subject on this colum.

alpha010

I have seen the videos, read up on the subject about a month ago..... For bananas at least, I still don't see the benefit of doing this, just mho.

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plus, since there is no true stem, and every part of the plant derives from the growing point of the corm, so eventually, if you graft a raja puri to a saba, you still only have a raja puri and a saba...both separate, just taking a smaller footprint in the dirt. It's not like citrus where you use a rootstock of one that is hardy to graft say a meyers lemon and the plant will become just the grafted plant after so long, unless graftstock is removed. The only way that I have seen or heard of to graft a nanner is corm splicing. You cant make a 'V' cut in the lower end of p-stem of a basjoo and graft in a Williams and hope to grow a Williams with edible fruit, you will in turn end up with one fugly basjoo and after a while no matter what goes on the outer petioles of the williams will perish and leave the basjoo on its own. OR, that spacific type of graft will only last long enough untill the basjoo kicks out a leaf and pushes the graft completely off the top.

I cannot logically think of even one half-way decent purpose to validate and perform this type of surgery to my babies.

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bencelest

I"ve grafted a lot of different fruit trees and for the life of me I can't see any advantage grafting bananas if it is possible since bananas has no wooden parts, parts are all soft and there is no cambium to speak of.
You are all going in an uphill battle.
So I agree with Fernie, why mess with something that is not broke.

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alpha010

Benny, Ronald was just asking about it and pretty much the three or four of us that responded so far said the same thing you just did.......

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just j

never will work bananas are a plant made of almost all water not a tree and i dont see a point in doin this

Tog Tan

Hey guys, chill.... Take a look at this thread, fun to read;
Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro

Let's say it can be done, it is probably something in the past when 'naner cultivars were being transported around as a food source. What are you gonna to do if the corm of your latest cultivar is rotting? I think by pre-science/TC era, someone would have thought of grafting it to save a potentially new and valuable food source. People then were very resourceful and did weird things. There in China, people made pliable mats out of ivory, yes, elephants' tusk and now the method is lost in time.

Remember, then, you don't order over the inter net and it is flown to you. Those times, it would have taken many days of walking (Marco Polo?), ship on the crazy high seas to get a replacement. So in the meantime, in all legality, I guess we will have to use the infamous line, innocent until proven guilty...

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ron_mcb

yep.. has anyone actually watched any video before commenting?? of course im talking about splicing two corms together.from what i have seen in the videos the guys doing the grafting are simply putting the cut side of two corms together and binding the them together with rope or something hoping they fuse together. its not a complicated procedure,it looks very primative. i would think they are doing this to make one cold hardy more desirable plant.



please do a search for other banana grafting videos using this player when the video is done.. look at the video icons at the bottom of this video after its done playing you may click those as well. there are several like this on youtube and other sites. i said in the first post people have been allegedly doing this for centuries..ive seen people taking a risk and destroy full grown ensettes to see if they could get more pups..i just wanted to know if someone has even tried this out of curiousity?? i read that antonio musa brassavolta allegedly did this in the 1500's he was a consulting physican of several kings. ex: henry vIII francis I charles V leo X and julious ceasar. he also allegedly performed the first tracheotomy..do you think he was just a mad scientist??? it looks simple enough will give it a try.i will use basjoo and whatever. maybe its how a certain south ga nursery gets their bananas to be so "cold hardy'. since i dont know everything about bananas i cant call this quackery.maybe a banana expert will give us a definate answer?

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CookieCows

You forgot to put a link to the video with your question

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mm4birds

Watched the video and am not impressed. All you see are two plants growing in the same pot and any new pups are probably from one of the corms. If they flower and fruit then we could tell if he produced a new cross.
Liked the music

ron_mcb

thanks mm4birds,
if the guy took something as hardy as basjoo and spliced it with the cold sensitive rhinohorn and it survived the winter with minimal damage you still would not believe?? if the guy showed you its elongated fruit you wouldnt believe their combined genetic material are one after the splice???? he allegedly did lady finger and basjoo also rajapuri and basjoo. can anyone tell me why this is sooo unbelievable? does he need a story about where he "found" the plants?

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Spark

Because it's one single guy making the claim, and people who have been doing banana growing for years have never seen it?

Evidence is a scientific study featuring many, many plants, not a guy on youtube.

ron_mcb

lets just assume the youtube farmer dude tripped and bumped his head on an old stump,now he thinks he can graft bananas.

ok..so antonio musa brassavola was just some crazy guy as well?? he was crazy for thinking about attemping a tracheotomy and a cesarean section in the 1500's and absolutely insane for thinking he could graft two banana corms and get a new specimen plant? need more expert commentary please.

thanks, spark

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bencelest

I have a plout that I grafted different cultivars. I have on one branch, green gage plum, on another branch, Chinese apricot, and on another branch, Blynhym apricot. I have 5 different apricots growing and fruiting on different branches. Not only that I have 4 different European plums growing and fruiting on different branches. I also have different peaches and nectarines grafted to the same tree. BUT I still have to see a new fruit emerged as a result of grafting them. In each cultivars grafted, they all fruited the same as its parent species.
The video did not impress me at all because the guy is still leaving part of the roots for each plant. So that each plant can still be alive and growed independently whether they are attached to each other or not.

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Gabe15

We've gone thru this all before.

Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
News from the Insistent Banana Grower

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mm4birds

So far nobody has posted proof in pictures of a hybrid "created" through the process of grafting. As a member of the science community I am open to experiments but need proof of success.

just j

how about we wait till chronix gets on and ask him the video is dedicated to him

bigdog

Hash, hash. and rehash. As already said, the video proves absolutely nothing, just that two banana plants are growing in the same pot. Pups that come off of the Musa basjoo side will still be M. basjoo. Pups that come off of the other side will be whatever that cultivar is. It's physiologically possible for the corms to fuse and grow together, and even possible for some cellular transfer to occur. However...no meiosis is taking place, so no DNA transfer is happenening. That's why there is no proof in these videos.

Where was everybody's comments when I was trying to denounce this in the other thread???

Frank

Tog Tan

Frank, I have already posted the thread link in Permalink #19 which Gabe just did. They still seem excited and blood thirsty....
Maybe I should post the TT Test and let them all chill..
So far Bob got 16/20 and Harv got 17/20 and Scot says he's got 19/20 - neither of us believed that dwarf maker aka micropropagater(as he is known in BQ).

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