Brrr...its cold in San Jose, CA (Nor Cal) - Page 2

BB73 · 11-20-2009, 05:43 PM

You guys should move over here to Greece! Winter seems to be still far away.
November average so far was about 3 - 4° C (5 F) to warm (mean temperature) and our low temp was 4° C (40 F), but only one night. Usually it's about 8 - 10° C (45 - 50 F) and around 20° C (70 F) during day.
But it should be getting colder soon. My nanas still like it oudoors. Even my little baby AeAe get a few hours outside every day...

curriedrice · 11-20-2009, 06:01 PM

Harvey, will do. I'll get my profile edited by this weekend.

Who has had luck getting bananas to produce in the bay area? Which varieties? Any pixie dust I should be aware off?

Thanks,

Sid

harveyc · 11-20-2009, 08:02 PM

Sid, I'm just NE of Antioch and have bananas on a plant right now and there used to be a guy named Mike in Antioch that fruited bananas and I'm sure many others as I do see bananas around the Bay Area from time to time, but I think many folks there do not get warm enough weather to get them to flower early enough although they may be an areas which are mild enough for bananas to survive unprotected. Maybe the need to try Veinte Cohol, etc., fast flowering/maturing varieties.

harveyc · 11-20-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BB73

You guys should move over here to Greece! Winter seems to be still far away.
November average so far was about 3 - 4° C (5 F) to warm (mean temperature) and our low temp was 4° C (40 F), but only one night. Usually it's about 8 - 10° C (45 - 50 F) and around 20° C (70 F) during day.
But it should be getting colder soon. My nanas still like it oudoors. Even my little baby AeAe get a few hours outside every day...

Maybe we should send Al Gore to Greece and the cold weather will follow in!

bencelest · 11-21-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

Sid, I'm just NE of Antioch and have bananas on a plant right now and there used to be a guy named Mike in Antioch that fruited bananas and I'm sure many others as I do see bananas around the Bay Area from time to time, but I think many folks there do not get warm enough weather to get them to flower early enough although they may be an areas which are mild enough for bananas to survive unprotected. Maybe the need to try Veinte Cohol, etc., fast flowering/maturing varieties.

Harvey:
My Viente Cohol is over a year old and still look like a pup. It won't grow anymore at 2 1/2 feet with small trunk about 2" diameter. The ambient tempt probably is the cause. It's time to move to San Diego.

enigma99a · 11-21-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

And what area might that be? You might want to edit your profile to include your approximately location.

We were at 37F at 11pm last night and I thought we'd have frost again this morning but a storm front approached so we didn't drop any further and didn't get frost. We now have high winds (gusts expected up to 45mph) and rain. Great for ducks!

Man harvey. You get a lot of cold temps and frost out there in the delta. I wonder why? And yes, in CA we do get frost on still calm cold nights. At 38F? maybe yes I guess it is possible. But temps are recorded at 6ft high where it might be 37-38 and at the ground level 32. It still needs to be 32 to form frost.

Frost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Here is an article for all of those interested in the different ways frost forms

legumepole · 11-21-2009, 11:09 AM

The air does not need to be >32 for frost to form.
Surfaces (like banana leaves) loose heat to the clear night sky and their surface will be coler than the sourounding air...leading to frost.

TommyMacLuckie · 11-21-2009, 02:42 PM

That's what's confusing. Everything I've read about frost says it's commonly confused with meaning 'freeze' when in fact it needs to freeze for frost to occur.

That's just what I've read. Me I've never had any problems with a frost, only with freezes. 33 degrees and my bananas are fine. 32, eh, not so good. 31, bye bye fronds.

So I don't know. I always thought frost was in low areas that act as pockets, trapping descending colder air, similar to an area that is low, like a delta, compared to hillsides because the cold air sinks.

But then getting frost on a wind shield without a freeze happening...so obviously something gets colder than other things.

asacomm · 11-21-2009, 07:06 PM

Hi friends,

First of all, I am surprised to know that it had already fallen frost in Sacramento.

In the pacific coast of central Japan, it had dropped down to 37F in these
days. But there was no damage at all to my bananas yet.
For safety, however, I have taken Dwrf. Cavendishes into the house leaving
other comparatively cold hardy bananas outside that I am planing to perform
anticoldness protections.
During the coldest season, it drops even to 25F.

enigma99a · 11-21-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asacomm

Hi friends,

First of all, I am surprised to know that it had already fallen frost in Sacramento.

In the pacific coast of central Japan, it had dropped down to 37F in these
days. But there was no damage at all to my bananas yet.
For safety, however, I have taken Dwrf. Cavendishes into the house leaving
other comparatively cold hardy bananas outside that I am planing to perform
anticoldness protections.
During the coldest season, it drops even to 25F.

Frost hasn't yet fell in Sacramento, but the cold outlying areas yes. demo meccha samui da neee. Dwarf Cavs don't like cold, so good idea

harveyc · 11-22-2009, 12:03 AM

I think it probably has had frost in Sacramento. I lived there for many years and it's very similar to what I have here in Isleton. Up higher where you are at I'm not surprised you haven't had frost yet. Folks down in Modesto and south had frost a couple of weeks before me. This is one of the earliest frost years that I remember and I've been around here for 52 years.

enigma99a · 11-22-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

I think it probably has had frost in Sacramento. I lived there for many years and it's very similar to what I have here in Isleton. Up higher where you are at I'm not surprised you haven't had frost yet. Folks down in Modesto and south had frost a couple of weeks before me. This is one of the earliest frost years that I remember and I've been around here for 52 years.

Okay you're probably right. Probably not downtown/midtown though due to urban heating

It's zone 10A in some spots so doesn't really speak for 'Sacramento'

11-20-2009, 05:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
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11-20-2009, 08:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,130 BananaBucks : 471,974 Feedback: 6 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,050 Times Was Thanked 4,493 Times in 1,906 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,785 Times	Re: Brrr...its cold in San Jose, CA (Nor Cal) Sid, I'm just NE of Antioch and have bananas on a plant right now and there used to be a guy named Mike in Antioch that fruited bananas and I'm sure many others as I do see bananas around the Bay Area from time to time, but I think many folks there do not get warm enough weather to get them to flower early enough although they may be an areas which are mild enough for bananas to survive unprotected. Maybe the need to try Veinte Cohol, etc., fast flowering/maturing varieties. __________________

11-21-2009, 11:09 AM	#27 (permalink)
legumepole Location: Woodland, CA Zone: Zone 9 (Sunset Zone 8) Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12 BananaBucks : 25,708 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Brrr...its cold in San Jose, CA (Nor Cal) The air does not need to be >32 for frost to form. Surfaces (like banana leaves) loose heat to the clear night sky and their surface will be coler than the sourounding air...leading to frost.

11-21-2009, 02:42 PM	#28 (permalink)
TommyMacLuckie Howboutcha! TommyMacLuckie's Photo Gallery Location: Mandeville, Louisiana Find me on the map! Zone: 8B Name: Tommy Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 427 BananaBucks : 253,661 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 7 Times Was Thanked 375 Times in 202 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times	Re: Brrr...its cold in San Jose, CA (Nor Cal) That's what's confusing. Everything I've read about frost says it's commonly confused with meaning 'freeze' when in fact it needs to freeze for frost to occur. That's just what I've read. Me I've never had any problems with a frost, only with freezes. 33 degrees and my bananas are fine. 32, eh, not so good. 31, bye bye fronds. So I don't know. I always thought frost was in low areas that act as pockets, trapping descending colder air, similar to an area that is low, like a delta, compared to hillsides because the cold air sinks. But then getting frost on a wind shield without a freeze happening...so obviously something gets colder than other things.

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11-22-2009, 12:03 AM	#31 (permalink)
harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,130 BananaBucks : 471,974 Feedback: 6 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,050 Times Was Thanked 4,493 Times in 1,906 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,785 Times	Re: Brrr...its cold in San Jose, CA (Nor Cal) I think it probably has had frost in Sacramento. I lived there for many years and it's very similar to what I have here in Isleton. Up higher where you are at I'm not surprised you haven't had frost yet. Folks down in Modesto and south had frost a couple of weeks before me. This is one of the earliest frost years that I remember and I've been around here for 52 years. __________________

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