The red one is originally wild collected contrary to the idea of some that it is a sport of some edible cultivar. It should be a seeded species. I'd rather not say which island it comes from, but its indonesian from what i've been told... that narrows it down a bit
. It'll be available within a year or two at decent prices, maybe by next growing season. I'm working on this and I imagine a few others are as well.
TimChapman