momoese

Keep this in mind.

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Chironex

Where, when, or how will it all end - if ever? We have created a medusa of a monster that threatens our way of life. We have become victims of our own greed and extravagance. It makes me want to find my own island and grow bananas, live a simple life and contemplate nature. Wish I could find Gilligan's Island - it didn't seem so bad.

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chong

Yup! Especially with Ginger and Mary Ann! (LOL- I couldn't help that one.)

Chironex

Heck yeah, that's what I'm talking about!!!

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damaclese

well I' am not a Republican and I am not a Democrat but I defantly am not a jackass either i think we all know were every one stands at this point i know who I'm voting for! well just have to Waite and see if its gonna be more same old same old are are we finally going to take charge of are destines instead of letting others do it for us sounds exciting doesn't it! and lets hope the comodityes trading act dies a horbal deth along with the fortuens of the scandrals that got it in place to begain with lets see whos standing in line at the gass pump when all the monny in the world won't get you a singal drop on that dark day
the only pepol that will servive are the ones that know how to chop wood get my meaning?

damaclese

im with you chong well hafe way any way
LOL

harveyc

There are some very good points in that report, but it seems to be very blatant in its bias. Typical with government politics, amendments get tagged onto unrelated bills. I'm a farmer and a beneficiary of government farm programs, but it's ridiculous the level of increased funding that got stuck into the Farm Bill on this election year, obviously to buy votes. I believe McCain was prudent in opposing it as was Bush in vetoing it. It did become law, however, as Congress overrode the veto. I had not heard that the bill included anything to close the "Enron loophole" until now. However, since the bill has become law, when are we going to see the relief?

Speculation certainly can drive up prices. Speculation can also drive prices down. Speculation basically makes markets more volatile. How about speculation in the housing market and how that has cost many people their savings as the bubble burst? Why isn't there some complaining about that? Because we can only blame greedy consumers and not some big corporations? Should we regulate housing prices to avoid runaway housing prices?

There is a very legitimate need for what is often called "speculation". Hedging is sometimes referred to as speculation but it protects a producer and buyer and consumer at the same time, allowing someone to fix their product price at some future date. This reduces risk and usually reduces prices, but what is happening now is speculators not even involved in the industry (I forget the brokerage house mentioned in the video) taking huge positions in oil contracts. For them, it's the same as trading stocks and betting on a further rise. The more they buy the more they help drive up the price of their contracts they already own.

Anyway, the Farm Bill was a poor bill and should not have been passed. Reversing the Enron loophole is another matter. Trailer are part of the evil of politics.

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mskitty38583

amen harvey, i was watching cnn the other night and couldnt believe what i heard on there. its almost like," slap the people ....they will take it....punch the people and they will roll over"...i dont know about yall but im tired of getting kicked around! i figured it out the other day and for me to go to school this next semester(3 1/2 months) driving 40 miles round trip, at the present price of gas...it gonna cost me $180.00 a month.thats gonna be about $600.00 for the semester. i gonna have to take out a subsidized student loan just to pay for gas. that dosent include my books, my digital camera, and my gun and holster. we have pretty much downsized what we could here at the house but omg, this mess is getting stupid. it almost seems that the more you downsize the more it cost you to do it. jmo!

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momoese

Harvey, I think it's apples and oranges. No one held a gun to peoples heads and forced them into ARM loans they couldn't afford down the road. They could have stayed in an apartment or the smaller house they already owned. Now the government is going to set a really bad example and bail those people out, and then screw us again by helping their banker buddies who lied on the mortgage applications. Of course both dems and pubs will try to take credit for "helping" in the 08 elections.

When we bought our house 4 years ago some real estate agents tried telling us we could afford a house waaaay over our budget with an interest only arm loan. We said F you, we know what we can afford and took a 30 year fixed. Everybody else had the same option we had, they just decided to gamble on the bubble not bursting and refiying later, but they lost. So speculation, yeah to some extent.

Oil prices are another issue and it looks like McCain has his hand in the cookie jar.

MsKitty, do you use oil to heat your house? I was talking to a friend in NY and he said if the oil price stays at what it is right now he will be spending $600 a month to heat the house and make hot water this winter. He's looking to move back to Cali to get away from that and the ever increasing property taxes he pays there. If it goes even higher I don't know how people are going to heat their homes!

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harveyc

NBA OR NFL?

36
have been accused of spousal abuse


7
have been arrested for fraud

19
have been accused of writing bad checks


117
have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses


3
have done time for assault


71,
repeat
71
cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14
have been arrested on drug-related charges

8
have been arrested for shoplifting

21
currently
are defendants in lawsuits, and

84
have been arrested for drunk driving
in the last year

Can you guess which organization this is?

NBA or NFL?
Give up yet? ... Scroll down,

Neither, it's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

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I'm sure we can count on Congress to solve our energy problems though, right????

I was in Washington, D.C. recently on vacation and got a tour of the Capitol by a HR staffer. Nice young guy. I was alone with him for a while while we went to see if the line on the Senate side was shorter to get it (there were zero in line there compared to several hundred on the HR side because senators apparently have longer terms and don't give a hoot and won't bother to have their staffers give us a tour). He had only been there since last summer after getting out of college. I asked him what kind of career he saw in this and if all of the political games didn't bother him. He said he probably would not stick around for more than another year. The whole system is about playing games, it seems. Term limits should be something like two years for everybody, I think. After that, most are corrupt if they were not already.

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momoese

As bad as that sounds I believe they have a better record than our current president, mr cokehead drunk driver himself who has destroyed damn near every business he's touched, including our business as a nation, and our personal business!

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harveyc

Mitchel, I agree that people are responsible for getting into bad loans, but many people are not educated enough to make good financial decisions. If prices had not run up to ridiculous levels, there would have been less risk for everyone. We like to accuse oil companies of being greedy but when we see the prices of our homes appreciate to ridiculous levels, most of us think it is okay. I think it is bad for the entire country. Do I think house prices should be regulated? Probably not, with these clowns we have writing our laws!!!

You like to say that McCain has his hand in the cookie jar and I believe that's an unfair and inaccurate statement. He previously supported eliminating the Enron loophole and now he is accused of something because of things his campaign managers have done. In this video, it is quietly (without emphasis) mentioned that Obama also has a campaign advisor that has lobbied for the petroleum industry but that Obama voted for the Farm Bill. Is that supposed to be good??? It is implied that McCain is bad because he voted against a Farm Bill that included a provision to eliminate the Enron loophole. The Farm Bill contained $10-$20 billion in wasteful spending and not a dime was being used to undo the unrelated Enron loophole. If congress really wanted to undue the Enron loophole, why didn't they do it as a stand-alone bill? Or why not part of the Energy Bill passed last year that has banned the use of incandescent light bulbs (forcing us to use hazardous CFL bulbs)?

The report stinks of media bias and does not give a true picture of all of the facts.

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mskitty38583

no mitchel i have all electric. when i bought my house it had the gas wall heaters. i had those taken out and the natural gas cut off. my dad has electric and natural gas and both his bill togerher come up to 600.00 a month. i cant afford that. i installed all electric. if i would of had the money it would have all been changed to solar. my taxes on my house arent too bad... they are 267.00 a year. i live in town and have about 1/3 to 1/2 acre about 1/2 mile from the square. so the taxes arent to bad. i havent resided my house yet either, that why my taxes havent gone up....yet. lol. im also in the market for a woodburning stove.....i have a friend who plants trees, harvest them and replants.....

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harveyc

Don't shoot me! I heat my house with free natural gas. There are gas wells on my farm. The original owners kept the gas rights and probably get royalty checks of $10,000-$20,000 per month. Boo hoo, but at least I get free gas for my house (not to be used for outdoor uses, etc.). I feel bad for people that live in cold climates and pay through the nose for heating.

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momoese

Of course it stinks, but it also states some scary facts. Some say "you are what you eat" others say "you are who you're surrounded by" Well look who he has around him. Bunch of scumbags!

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harveyc

Obama has scum bags around him but doesn't need to because he's one himself. He regrets voting to spare Terri Shaivo's life (reminder: she was not on life support, she had a feeding tube). He supports federal funding of abortions and has stated that if his daugthers made a mistake he would not want them to be "punished" with a child and have the right to an abortion. Whole lotta love. NOT!

A lot of people see Obama as a way to stop the killing in Iraq. What about the killing of our unborn here - 4,000 unborn babies each day getting their limbs yanked off or burnt to death with a saline solution. Those are just some cold hard facts, with no bias thrown in at all. And it's not just a party issue, check out Democrats For Life of America if you're a Democrat.

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momoese

Shaivo should have never been a political issue to begin with.

A woman's right to choose is something you and I will never agree on so that's a mute point.

BTW, I'm an indy. I have never voted for a pub and for sure won't vote for McSame but I would have voted for Ron Paul even though he doesn't agree with me on the right to choose. You have to pick your poison and this time the poison I pick will be whoever is going to take us 180 degrees from where Bush has us. McCain is not that person, sorry.

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harveyc

Like it or not, politicians are the folks that right laws to protect citizens. Terri Shaivo was a citizen who deserved protection. The legal system was corrupt and failed her. Maybe you're not aware, but her husband test