papaya X-77
 

Im starting this thread to let people know that i have x -77 aka waimanalo low bearing papaya seed. if you would like to try some let me know. by p.m. you will need to send a self addressed stamped envelope to me and i will put them in the mail. it wouldn't be a bad idea to mail a small padded envelope to protect your seed. i want to send about 15 seed per envelope.


germination should not take over 2 weeks. i would suggest that people germinate a few a.s.a.p. then keep them over winter or maybe germinate the rest in the spring. i just started a few myself.. i have them in pots. i'm gonna keep em as house plants over the winter. this thread would also be a good place to post your germination success and show how fast these things grow for you.

i would like to keep this thread open to track x-77 only.

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Count me in :) I could put them rite next to my Bananas ha ha

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How is this papaya fruit taste like? Sweet or not? What’s the color of the fruit? Yellow, orange or Red? How long it will take to fruit? Do you have any pics of the tree with fruit?

Pls do not think that i am asking too many questions. Any way put my name in the list. Thanks for for your help and generosity.

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thanks for participating..

the fruit is greenish yellow the flesh on the inside is yellow. i have produced fruit from this type in one season(not typical in zone 8). as far as how long it may take you to produce fruit is had to say. its a good idea to start now and get the plants to about 1 or two feet before winter and expect fruit next year.. if you wait too late in the cold part of the year to germinate and try to get em to grow expect bad results (dampening off). just germinate a few and keep a few for spring.. try to get them to about 1 foot for the winter and let it stay on the dry side.

i think i may have posted a pic the first year i started x 77 i deleted the pic?? that pic showed small fruit. i removed them early because it was winter and the plant would struggle trying to support them.

again i really don't know how the plants will behave in your area.. this is kinda the point of me giving away the seed. the only thing i ask is that you show whats going on here.

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I have no idea what an "x-77" low bearing Dwarf Papaya is. Would it happen to be the Thai Dwarf? I didnt think that there were too many Dwarf Papaya at all.
Heres a photo of the Thai Dwarf, the fruit are HUGE compared to other Papaya. I have about a dozen which I started a few months ago. These germinated within a weeks time and are now aprox. 18" tall. Although I dont really care for the Papaya fruit at all (they taste like puke to me>isnt that awful?!) I am impressed with the size of the plant and the fruit. SInce I live in Miami, Im sure that none of the fruit will go to waste with all of my Latin neighbors!

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It is the third one down if you want to take a look.

Agricultural Diagnostic Service Center - Seed Program

I would like to give it a try too Ron. PM me your address again please! I do pretty well getting them to sprout. I'll try some in my AeroGarden and starting mix.

~JaNan

Dang Tony beat me to it!!!! :ha:

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Thanks Janan and Tony. Guess it is NOT the same as the Dwarf variety I have after all. I read that the variety I have is extremely well suited for container growing. If all goes well, I should have plenty of seed to go around early next year if anyone is interested in growing this type as well.




Downtown Miami 7:45 pm this evening..................

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no this is a Hawaiian solo variety. the fruits are not that big. the fruits appear early and they are low to the ground.

im not saying its the fastest to produce fruit.. its just that i got fruit one year in the fall from a seed planted in the spring(again not typical).. there are lots of miracle seed on eBay selling for ridiculous sums of money for just a few seed.. im giving these away so maybe people on the board can have papaya fruit to look forward to even if their bananas act up.

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I'd be interested in papaya seed as well. As someone who lives in zone 5, I am aware of the difficulties in getting tropicals to produce fruit here, but I am up for the challenge! Thank you for your generous offer!

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thanks to everyone who participated so far. dont mean to rush anyone but i would like to have all seed requests by 5:00 est so please p.m. me today if you are interested. i just dont want to drag this along.

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I'd be interested of your low bearing papaya. Currently, I have 2 unknown dwarf papaya and 1 Dwarf 'TR Hovey' growing in a 10 gallon pots-height 3 ft from 3 different distributor. Maybe when I have the 2 fruited you guys can help me name what dwarf I have. When you said "low bearing" that got my interest because that would be good for growing in containers, since I have to bring it in my sunny-green room for the winter. Besides my banana, citrus, and other tropical fruit tree collections, papaya is one of my favorite list. I would appreciate it even if I just get a couple seeds, but if its too late since I missed your 5pm time, thank you anyway.

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I have some Waimanalo X-77 growing, and it is 10 ft tall now. I've never heard of a dwarf variety. Since they were developed here, you would think that if there was a dwarf of that variety, we would have it here, too.

Any other folks in Hawaii ever heard of it?

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Waimanalo (Waimanalo Solo, X-77)
Fruit round with a short neck, average weight 16 to 39 ounces. Skin smooth, and glossy, cavity star-shaped. Flesh thick, firm, orange-yellow in color, flavor and quality high, keeps well. Recommended for fresh market and processing. Fruits of female plants rough in appearance. Average height to the first flower is 32 inches

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mr yug without getting too technical .. you are right the plant can get tall if its never disturbed by any cold weather. this probably wont be the case with most of the people in the continental united states.

it would be considered a dwarf by most of us because like tony stated the fruits bear early and low to the ground.. most of the people growing these seed probably wont grow plants over 5 feet tall.. we will probably harvest the fruit and compost the plants.

the fruits bear low initially.. can we just say this?? will this be quite ok?? maybe we can get the moderators to take the word dwarf out of the title if it bothers too many people ?? :ha:

if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you, could you show us how tall the x-77 can get in Hawaii?? this would be a nice contribution to the thread and it would help all interested parties learn more about this plant. thanks in advance

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I'll see if I can get a pic.

When I see the term 'dwarf' that has a specific meaning as far as I'm concerned. I would not call a Bonsai tree a dwarf, since it has merely been dwarfed by a culture method that requires severe root trimming, and very restrictive feeding. If treated normally, it will revert to a more normal growth pattern. It is not a natural dwarf. If a papaya has its growth limited due to weather conditions, it is dwarfed by them, but it is not a natural dwarf. When I see something called a dwarf, to me this means that it IS a natural dwarf, and it is supposed to grow that way regardless of weather or feeding limitations. If a Super Dwarf Cavendish or a Truly Tiny is given 2 or more years of great weather, and proper feeding/fertilizing it is still a dwarf due to its genetics. Others may not give a rip one way or another, but others may be confused/misled. I was just curious that there may actually BE a dwarf of the X-77. If you purchased a banana, and were told that it was a dwarf, yet when you grew it it turned out to be something other than what it was presented as, would you care? Maybe you would not, but no doubt some people would. I would propose that an X-77 would merely be called 'short' (due to limited growing period), and not 'dwarf' to avoid misunderstandings.

After a more thorough reading of all the posts in this thread - it appears I was not the only one confused.

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thanks again for the clarification yug. i hope you find your amazing pictures :)

ok about the plant being low bearing. here is a pic of the plant bearing flowers at under 3 feet tall. this was planted from seed this spring...i may still see fruit even though they probably wont mature fully before the first frost.

the others i started last fall were all killed a few weeks after i planted them. again this is from a seed planted this year.
its more practical to start late in the season and keep them over winter ..im giving you an idea about what can be done here in zone 8.

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Looking good Ron!!

-Luke

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Yug, you need to get a grip. He's not SELLING these seeds, he's graciously GIVING them away.

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A grip for requesting clarification? Or for info on a possible new type? Perhaps some need thicker skin. (dare I mention again that if all posts are read, others here were also confused/misled - but lets get on the case of the guy that pointed out the reason for it? Sheesh!! Talk about gettin' a grip!)

And he's givin' 'em away?! Well, then. Hot dang! In that case, you just go right ahead and mis-state, mislead, obfuscate and confuserate to your sweet little-ole heart's content and don't make no never-mind a'tall 'bout it. Then yo' gots nuffin a'tall to be a worryin' 'bout when some poor soul starts a commiseratin' about how he done cleared the space, planted the little buggar, was down-right overjoyed when it done sprouted and watched it grow.... and grow... and grow... Then comes back and says, "Ya know, I really 'preciate the fruit and all, but I was thinkin' 'twas a dwarf, like you said. Shoot, if I'd a knowed it was gonna git that durn big, I'd a planted sumfin a might smaller; maybe a dwarf nanner."

(your comment got my dander up, if'n ya couldn't tell - have a nice day :03: )

Waimanalo X-77 It began fruiting about 4 ft, and was lower than my others. It is at least 10 ft now, and slowing down some.

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Good site for info on this plant.

Papaya - TipThePlanet

Never knew it was so good for you. Going to get one from the store and see if it will work. Thanks

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OK the x-77 seeds are here . My mail carrier brought them over just now. A few of them were busted up ! You would think that the padding would have protected them a little better .. But I’m sure we will get some germinated soon! Thanks for sending them I’m working on them this after noon .. Silly job I have needs me again today…:waving:

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Thought that I saw a small papaya at the store. Hope it will have a lot of seed and they germinate. One banana a day will enjoy a piece of papaya behind it. Keep us updated with the seed. Thanks

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yug i had Jared take the word dwarf out of the thread title about a week ago.. i would have done it myself but i dont have those privileges. :) i dont think its mentioned anywhere else in the thread by me. i may have only called it low bearing or x 77. i hope this will suffice,and i apologize deeply for putting you in this terrible situation.. i hope you can recover any losses or damages that may have been caused by my negligence.:bananas_b oh and thanks for posting your pic:)

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Ok ok guys let's let it be. I think we are all un-confused about the x-77.
:-)

On another note, how do you guys process your papaya seeds for long term storage? I have tried a few methods but have had issues with them going mouldy after storage.

Thanks,

-Luke

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Ive noticed from friend's here in S fla who grow Papaya the seeds don't seem to store well .. Its not unusual for some one to mention to me about low germination rate . This is coming from people who keep them in envelopes to on a shelf or in containers .. the good thing is one fruit has plenty of seed so it all works out well either way. Usually just place the seeds on a paper towel in window sill till dry

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i never have any problems with mold. i pop the sacs that coat the seed one by one and i let them dry. then i wash the seed with a mild detergent and like trebor i put them in a paper towel but outside in the sun and let them dry. maybe this is going overboard but i have never had any mold problems.

i have done this with a lot of papaya seed and they keep fine and germination is never a problem...14 days is the max. i always keep mine in paper envelopes never plastic bags.

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I noticed it the moment you had taken it out, yours was not the post that annoyed me, it was chance1945. At the time that post came about, this was water under the bridge. It still is. :08:

Loss, what loss?

Oh, yeah, I have plenty of those seeds too if anyone wants. All they need to do is send a pm, and I'll give an address.

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thanks for your generosity. what this thread needed was more positive energy:)

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Thanks for clearing the air, we are interested in this plant but being quite busy now we hope seed will be available in the future. This site has brought many to enjoy some of the plants that are not an everyday item. Our thanks for being able to enjoy what the site has brought us.

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I found this wile watering earlier this morning :ha:
The X-77's are on the way
:woohoonaner:

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OK so it was Oct 7th last time I posted a pic of the X-77 so I figured after over a month Id just update a bit

This one is growing OK



This one seems to be lagging



I kept all the seeds in the grow area even though they did not germinate so well due to POST OFFICE handling But it looks like this might be a late arrival :) Unless I moved them and have misplaced another seed for X-77 . That’s possible but it don’t look like anything I planted lately .. So I’ll know in a few weeks after those center leaves get a little size to them I had some Peppers in-between the x-77. It does kinda resembles a Poblano pepper seedling a little bit!

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Ron, we are wondering about the progress of the your papaya. Got some seed from U. Hawaii and started a few in our aero garden. Transplanted them, set them outside and already something ate them. Put more seed in the aero and them started germinating in six days. This time we will be a lot more careful and protect them so they might get a bit larger before they are set out. Question, do you start new each year or will the plant survive cool temps. We are in zone 9b, central Florida, and only got a few frosts and only lost some leavers on the banana plants. All info appreciated. Thanks

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i start new at the ending of each year.. i try to start when there is enough warmth to germinate without artificial means then get them to a nice size and then set them aside without having to worry about them until planting season.. i try to time it just right so i don't have many plants that are old enough to flower... just the right size.

sorry have been gone since November. i have been kinda busy i believe i have controlled the number of plant root eating nematodes without having to do fallowing .. i believe i will be able to grow more than just a few plants at a time now.

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Well golly! I had to update on these Papaya ..
I had to keep them in one gallon containers till last month . We so many snails from a tree my neighbor transplanted I did not want to plant anything because those things eat a leaf in less than an hour! I lost a 3 foot lychee to them critters!
But now I got the X-77 in the ground on my front lawn "full sun" decent soil and it seems they are taking hold now and I see growth in the last 30 days.. Water and fertilizer, plus all manor of composted materials will be used.. I just yesterday placed some composted pineapple around them :) Ill be on the look out for some pineapple seeds that might germinate ..
Oh and yes they are that green .. I just fertilized my lawn and we had plenty of rain!
I did not forget you ron_mcb :ha:

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How old are those plants? We started some and just put a few in the ground. Hope they grow enough to make i through the cold months. Have you grown them before? First time for us. Thanks

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Those plants germinated Oct 7 2011. Normally I think they would have matured a lot more but as I said. I had to keep them in small pots till 30 days ago.

Yes I have grown Papaya in the past . But not X-77.. I'm in South Florida and they seem to grow like weeds here .. Up to 20 feet... But when I saw these might not get so high I wanted to give them a try. the ones I been growing seem to fruit well for about 4 years then a strong wind will take them out or they just stop producing .. From what I read every 3 years you should replace them . Starting new seed at 24 months. Nothing better than picking one, let it ripen , use it in a smoothie .. Or just chunk it up and eat it :woohoonaner:

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Keep us updated on their progress. This fall we will start seeds so that they get a head start for the spring season. Not sure if they will survive the colder months. Thanks

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If I could be permitted to re-open a dead issue...

I've noticed that some sites actually sell this as a 'Dwarf X-77' or 'Dwarf Waimanalo X-77' papaya. Based on the description of it, and personal experience with it, the 'low-bearing' trait may have become confused in the mix, to become 'dwarf' - hence the confusion. Although, I have seen some sellers take rather common plants, and give them a more 'exotic' or new sounding name/description as a marketing ploy just to sell more of the same old thing (same old stuff you used to buy, but with a new wrapper. 'Tide' detergent does this every few years) to an unsuspecting customer. My original irritation should have gone to the seller who did this, NOT to the poster that may not have known any different. Some would say, "no big deal, what are you worried about?" But, considering the investment one makes in time, space, $, and trust; I would feel ill-used if something turned out to not be what it was presented as. :waving:

OK, dead issue closed back up again. :08:

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Update !

They are growing :ha:

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Isn't X-77 the GMO variety?

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Yes I believe your right . These plants might be GMO
But if you want some that arent go here ..
Hawaii Organic Farmers Association
After I grow these and get fruit and if I like them ...Ill just get some none GMO

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I believe the 'Kamiya' papaya is a GMO.

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:woohoonaner:YES we got BLOOMS ! :woohoonaner:

Ill post a few more pictures as they grow . Hope I can get a fruit before December when it starts to get chilly :) South Florida dont get to terribly cold so I might be OK.. We will see.. now I might need a PIT BULL to keep the neighbors from attacking my tree as it produces fruit... but that was the only close to full sun location I have left..... It just gets shade during hottest time of the day

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I am curious, is the papaya in the ground or do you overwinter inside? I ask because I see that you are zone 8. I am zone 8B in Vancouver Canada and would love to try some of your seeds but am running out of greenhouse room - as well as room in the house - to overwinter too much more.
If you think they will survive the winter, count me in for seeds!

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Im in POMPANO BEACH, Florida Zone 10 Close to Fort Lauderdale …
This tree is in the ground year round Papaya can grow here without any problem... Just a wee bit cool in December and January . And all of us living here freak out in 40 degree weather .. If you want seeds you are more than welcome to them as soon as I get a fruit! You will see pictures or perhaps some one else has seeds available here now on the org ? If you don't want to wait.. Historically people been planting seeds in August and keeping them in a pot over the winter then after fear of frost planting them out side .. Papaya don't like to be disturbed when transplanting them I try not to disturb the root ball .. And the fruit is Great :) Either you like it or you don't. Google “health benefits of papaya “ see what you think
Here I got this link look at the bottom of the page
Papaya - TipThePlanet

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Thanks, I guess I misread as they will definitely not survive the winter here as it is already dropping to about 50 degrees during the nights and it will only get colder.
But perhaps - as it appears - it is a dwarf tree, that I might be able to squeeeeze in one more tree into the greenhouse during the winter. Could you please let me know when you get some more seeds? I already will have to plan for one additional plant :ha:next year when the julie mango will be large enough to leave the house.....
Thanks again,
Pam

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Agricultural Diagnostic Service Center - Seed Program
This is the site for seed from University of Hawaii. We got seed there last fall and they germinated 100%.
ron mcb, a member, lives in zone 8, central Georgia and this is his response to me.......

" i dont know about exposing the plants to 20 degrees for prolonged periods .. most likely cold wet feet will be fatal.. if there is a hard frost the plant will be damaged and that part will have to be removed or a fungus will start and it will spread. anything around freezing no mater what size the plant is equals problems.

i stopped doing much experimentation in cold weather with them. i just start them late fall and try to keep them over winter.. if not i start early spring.

thanks for the offer on the other seeds but i tried growing most of them and i like x-77"

I had offered him some other papaya seeds also.
Here in zone 9b we are hoping they survive the winter in the ground but will start new seeds soon in pots also and see how that goes.
Hope this is a little help, good luck and get those hands dirty.

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Does anyone got some low bearing papaya variety and hás some senda wich he or she would like to share?