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Old 09-18-2011, 01:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Im starting this thread to let people know that i have x -77 aka waimanalo low bearing papaya seed. if you would like to try some let me know. by p.m. you will need to send a self addressed stamped envelope to me and i will put them in the mail. it wouldn't be a bad idea to mail a small padded envelope to protect your seed. i want to send about 15 seed per envelope.


germination should not take over 2 weeks. i would suggest that people germinate a few a.s.a.p. then keep them over winter or maybe germinate the rest in the spring. i just started a few myself.. i have them in pots. i'm gonna keep em as house plants over the winter. this thread would also be a good place to post your germination success and show how fast these things grow for you.

i would like to keep this thread open to track x-77 only.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Count me in I could put them rite next to my Bananas ha ha
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How is this papaya fruit taste like? Sweet or not? What’s the color of the fruit? Yellow, orange or Red? How long it will take to fruit? Do you have any pics of the tree with fruit?

Pls do not think that i am asking too many questions. Any way put my name in the list. Thanks for for your help and generosity.
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How is this papaya fruit taste like? Sweet or not? What’s the color of the fruit? Yellow, orange or Red? How long it will take to fruit? Do you have any pics of the tree with fruit?

Pls do not think that i am asking too many questions. Any way put my name in the list. Thanks for for your help and generosity.
thanks for participating..

the fruit is greenish yellow the flesh on the inside is yellow. i have produced fruit from this type in one season(not typical in zone 8). as far as how long it may take you to produce fruit is had to say. its a good idea to start now and get the plants to about 1 or two feet before winter and expect fruit next year.. if you wait too late in the cold part of the year to germinate and try to get em to grow expect bad results (dampening off). just germinate a few and keep a few for spring.. try to get them to about 1 foot for the winter and let it stay on the dry side.

i think i may have posted a pic the first year i started x 77 i deleted the pic?? that pic showed small fruit. i removed them early because it was winter and the plant would struggle trying to support them.

again i really don't know how the plants will behave in your area.. this is kinda the point of me giving away the seed. the only thing i ask is that you show whats going on here.
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I have no idea what an "x-77" low bearing Dwarf Papaya is. Would it happen to be the Thai Dwarf? I didnt think that there were too many Dwarf Papaya at all.
Heres a photo of the Thai Dwarf, the fruit are HUGE compared to other Papaya. I have about a dozen which I started a few months ago. These germinated within a weeks time and are now aprox. 18" tall. Although I dont really care for the Papaya fruit at all (they taste like puke to me>isnt that awful?!) I am impressed with the size of the plant and the fruit. SInce I live in Miami, Im sure that none of the fruit will go to waste with all of my Latin neighbors!
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It is the third one down if you want to take a look.

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I would like to give it a try too Ron. PM me your address again please! I do pretty well getting them to sprout. I'll try some in my AeroGarden and starting mix.

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Thanks Janan and Tony. Guess it is NOT the same as the Dwarf variety I have after all. I read that the variety I have is extremely well suited for container growing. If all goes well, I should have plenty of seed to go around early next year if anyone is interested in growing this type as well.




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I have no idea what an "x-77" low bearing Dwarf Papaya is. Would it happen to be the Thai Dwarf? I didnt think that there were too many Dwarf Papaya at all.
Heres a photo of the Thai Dwarf, the fruit are HUGE compared to other Papaya. I have about a dozen which I started a few months ago. These germinated within a weeks time and are now aprox. 18" tall. Although I dont really care for the Papaya fruit at all (they taste like puke to me>isnt that awful?!) I am impressed with the size of the plant and the fruit. SInce I live in Miami, Im sure that none of the fruit will go to waste with all of my Latin neighbors!
no this is a Hawaiian solo variety. the fruits are not that big. the fruits appear early and they are low to the ground.

im not saying its the fastest to produce fruit.. its just that i got fruit one year in the fall from a seed planted in the spring(again not typical).. there are lots of miracle seed on eBay selling for ridiculous sums of money for just a few seed.. im giving these away so maybe people on the board can have papaya fruit to look forward to even if their bananas act up.
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I'd be interested in papaya seed as well. As someone who lives in zone 5, I am aware of the difficulties in getting tropicals to produce fruit here, but I am up for the challenge! Thank you for your generous offer!
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thanks to everyone who participated so far. dont mean to rush anyone but i would like to have all seed requests by 5:00 est so please p.m. me today if you are interested. i just dont want to drag this along.
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I'd be interested of your low bearing papaya. Currently, I have 2 unknown dwarf papaya and 1 Dwarf 'TR Hovey' growing in a 10 gallon pots-height 3 ft from 3 different distributor. Maybe when I have the 2 fruited you guys can help me name what dwarf I have. When you said "low bearing" that got my interest because that would be good for growing in containers, since I have to bring it in my sunny-green room for the winter. Besides my banana, citrus, and other tropical fruit tree collections, papaya is one of my favorite list. I would appreciate it even if I just get a couple seeds, but if its too late since I missed your 5pm time, thank you anyway.
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I have some Waimanalo X-77 growing, and it is 10 ft tall now. I've never heard of a dwarf variety. Since they were developed here, you would think that if there was a dwarf of that variety, we would have it here, too.

Any other folks in Hawaii ever heard of it?
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I have some Waimanalo X-77 growing, and it is 10 ft tall now. I've never heard of a dwarf variety. Since they were developed here, you would think that if there was a dwarf of that variety, we would have it here, too.

Any other folks in Hawaii ever heard of it?
mr yug without getting too technical .. you are right the plant can get tall if its never disturbed by any cold weather. this probably wont be the case with most of the people in the continental united states.

it would be considered a dwarf by most of us because like tony stated the fruits bear early and low to the ground.. most of the people growing these seed probably wont grow plants over 5 feet tall.. we will probably harvest the fruit and compost the plants.

the fruits bear low initially.. can we just say this?? will this be quite ok?? maybe we can get the moderators to take the word dwarf out of the title if it bothers too many people ??

if it wouldn't be an inconvenience to you, could you show us how tall the x-77 can get in Hawaii?? this would be a nice contribution to the thread and it would help all interested parties learn more about this plant. thanks in advance
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I'll see if I can get a pic.

When I see the term 'dwarf' that has a specific meaning as far as I'm concerned. I would not call a Bonsai tree a dwarf, since it has merely been dwarfed by a culture method that requires severe root trimming, and very restrictive feeding. If treated normally, it will revert to a more normal growth pattern. It is not a natural dwarf. If a papaya has its growth limited due to weather conditions, it is dwarfed by them, but it is not a natural dwarf. When I see something called a dwarf, to me this means that it IS a natural dwarf, and it is supposed to grow that way regardless of weather or feeding limitations. If a Super Dwarf Cavendish or a Truly Tiny is given 2 or more years of great weather, and proper feeding/fertilizing it is still a dwarf due to its genetics. Others may not give a rip one way or another, but others may be confused/misled. I was just curious that there may actually BE a dwarf of the X-77. If you purchased a banana, and were told that it was a dwarf, yet when you grew it it turned out to be something other than what it was presented as, would you care? Maybe you would not, but no doubt some people would. I would propose that an X-77 would merely be called 'short' (due to limited growing period), and not 'dwarf' to avoid misunderstandings.

After a more thorough reading of all the posts in this thread - it appears I was not the only one confused.

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thanks again for the clarification yug. i hope you find your amazing pictures

ok about the plant being low bearing. here is a pic of the plant bearing flowers at under 3 feet tall. this was planted from seed this spring...i may still see fruit even though they probably wont mature fully before the first frost.

the others i started last fall were all killed a few weeks after i planted them. again this is from a seed planted this year.
its more practical to start late in the season and keep them over winter ..im giving you an idea about what can be done here in zone 8.

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I'll see if I can get a pic.

When I see the term 'dwarf' that has a specific meaning as far as I'm concerned. I would not call a Bonsai tree a dwarf, since it has merely been dwarfed by a culture method that requires severe root trimming, and very restrictive feeding. If treated normally, it will revert to a more normal growth pattern. It is not a natural dwarf. If a papaya has its growth limited due to weather conditions, it is dwarfed by them, but it is not a natural dwarf. When I see something called a dwarf, to me this means that it IS a natural dwarf, and it is supposed to grow that way regardless of weather or feeding limitations. If a Super Dwarf Cavendish or a Truly Tiny is given 2 or more years of great weather, and proper feeding/fertilizing it is still a dwarf due to its genetics. Others may not give a rip one way or another, but others may be confused/misled. I was just curious that there may actually BE a dwarf of the X-77. If you purchased a banana, and were told that it was a dwarf, yet when you grew it it turned out to be something other than what it was presented as, would you care? Maybe you would not, but no doubt some people would. I would propose that an X-77 would merely be called 'short' (due to limited growing period), and not 'dwarf' to avoid misunderstandings.

After a more thorough reading of all the posts in this thread - it appears I was not the only one confused.
Yug, you need to get a grip. He's not SELLING these seeds, he's graciously GIVING them away.
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Yug, you need to get a grip. He's not SELLING these seeds, he's graciously GIVING them away.
A grip for requesting clarification? Or for info on a possible new type? Perhaps some need thicker skin. (dare I mention again that if all posts are read, others here were also confused/misled - but lets get on the case of the guy that pointed out the reason for it? Sheesh!! Talk about gettin' a grip!)

And he's givin' 'em away?! Well, then. Hot dang! In that case, you just go right ahead and mis-state, mislead, obfuscate and confuserate to your sweet little-ole heart's content and don't make no never-mind a'tall 'bout it. Then yo' gots nuffin a'tall to be a worryin' 'bout when some poor soul starts a commiseratin' about how he done cleared the space, planted the little buggar, was down-right overjoyed when it done sprouted and watched it grow.... and grow... and grow... Then comes back and says, "Ya know, I really 'preciate the fruit and all, but I was thinkin' 'twas a dwarf, like you said. Shoot, if I'd a knowed it was gonna git that durn big, I'd a planted sumfin a might smaller; maybe a dwarf nanner."

(your comment got my dander up, if'n ya couldn't tell - have a nice day )

Waimanalo X-77 It began fruiting about 4 ft, and was lower than my others. It is at least 10 ft now, and slowing down some.

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