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hi guys, my lasiocarpa has 5 pups en i whant 2 know whats the best time 2 seperate from motherplant.
Furder, basjoo 40 pups
helens hybride 1 pup
DC
3 pups
Monkey fingers :-( zero

Some european members have tryed tissueculturing?

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Wow, YAKUZA, your sticky says 13°C :D Chilly...
Okey, so take something sharp and chop between the basjoo mother and pup in about 25° angle vertically towards the corm taking a little bit of it for the pup. That's in basjoo and lasiocarpa case. The ideal size for removal is about 40cm and more.
I would leave those DC pups on the plant, so that they can grow faster and remove them, when nr.4 emerges.

1 to 3 pups a plant is still a good ratio, their growth is quite balanced.

Tissue culturing maybe griphuz. ;)

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yep jack its chilly this week. The week before this one it was 30 degrees c . Is it good 2 seperate this mond or must i do it later? the chance is big i can get some tissue nanas for 2 ~6€. Plants are 5 cm high.

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Nice. :D It's cold here too, bet we don't fall below 17°C even in night's minimums.

Separate the Musella lasiocarpa pups and basjoo pups. I would leave the rest be on the mother corm for now.

What plants do you have at your disposal? Those TCs, which cultivars.

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i think its about tis plants
Ensete glaucum
Musa nagensium
Musa basjoo
Musa sikkimensis Manipur(red form)
Musa sikkimensis
Musa sp ( helens hybrid )
ensete perierii

but im waiting for a mail 2 confirm this list.


Some one told me is good 2 cut leaves of lasiocarpa pups before placement in container for better root stimulation. is that true?

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ok i sepparat 2 big pups of the lasiocarpa en put them in containers.
made a little tour in the greenhouse end whaaaaaaa . little bugs on nannas.
think spidermites. leaves are grey end brown edges.
pup of lasiocarpa from 2008
siam ruby
basjoo red
ensete ventricosum
Daijao.
all have spidermite
so i cut all the leaves exept the new one.
think the most spidermites are gon with tis handeling end sprayed some anti spidermite.
hope everything is going ok now.

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Looks like I have same problem with some Ensetes. Sombody here was talking about spraying leaves with delute soap! What typ of soap and how deluted???
:woohoonaner:

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Ante, against spidermites (I've never had any of my citruses or other plants infected with them) I adviced my friend in Czech republic, to spray them with the kitchen soap diluted in water or try whatever thing you use to wash up with. Just one thing there, make a cone or something, because when this water eliminates the spidermites, it will go down to the roots and the plants will make then deformed leaves (like poisoning).
You have to make some sort of a barrier b4 using any soap on the plants.
I repeat, it mustn't get to the roots.

The percentage is irrelevant, my friend used very strong percentage (let 1 soap stand in 3 litres and chop it in).
It won't hurt the leaves, when it's strong, in will however hurt the roots.
This procedure makes a thin film on the leaves and all the parasites simply die out, because they will either be poisoned or won't be able to get ne air...

Good luck.

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I've used soaps as a soil drench for fungus gnats.

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What pups did you mean YAKUZA? You haven't separated them yet? I don't understand :lurk:.

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yes i have but


Some one told me its good 2 cut leaves of lasiocarpa pups before placement in container for better root stimulation. is that true?

and how mutche soap in 1l water


:drum:

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You can toss the whole standard soap in 2 to 3 litres of water, you want use less. ;) But be careful, this water MUSTN'T GET TO THE ROOTS. If it does, the plant will then produce several deformed leaves.
I also sometimes use the saponate you use to wash up your dishes after the meal. It also effective and it also can't reach roots.
Usually, when you stir the mixture and it makes bubbles, it's good.

I don't know about that leaf cutting. If I were you, I would cut the leaves on the first group and leave the leaves on the second group of plants and you will see. ;)

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I use 1-2 drops of Dawn Dish Detergent in a 2 qt. spray bottle; seems to work fine. A little goes a long way. Remember to spray top and bottom of leaves as well as soil.

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2 qt. bottle in liters means?
:woohoonaner:

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What is qt?

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I guess US volume measure
:woohoonaner:

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1 U.S. quart (qt.)=946 ml. (sorry)

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Curious, it's not listed in Google transcalculating subprograms.
It means 0,95 litres. ;)

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I meant search engine subroutine. I don't use this, as it is slower. :D But thanks.

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so i prepared some killing juice, soap and water.
1l of water 250 ml soap.
sprayed on nanas and some vedgies.
Hope it works with bio soap.

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It should, but I REPEAT, don't pour the soap on the roots. Many soaps will cause deformed growth, so only leaves and pstems, no roots!

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Keep us informed
:woohoonaner:

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u repeat? how many times? 2 x week?, 2x mond?,...

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finaly a little good news for me,
Accuminata Monkey fingers has 1 pup, its 1 cm but it is a pup not?



:woohoonaner: :goteam: :birthdaynana: :02: :0517: :bananas_b :drum:

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Nice.

Repeat the dilute soap spraying once or twice a day for 5 days, that should be enough. Then once again another 3 or 4 days with a 3 days pause, for new generation of the larva to come ...
Excellent news about that pup. Ante will be happy. :)

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Pup is a pup! Horay!!!!:nanadrink:
:woohoonaner:

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3 is what I have been keeping. I just removed two water suckers and left 3 swords on one of mine. I'll repot or try to give away any swords I take off but usually toss the water suckers in the trash.

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Dont toss them. They will grow slowe but shore. I wish Im closer to you to get these :).
:woohoonaner:

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Ante, once your DC or SDC starts producing 20 to 30 pups a month, you will reconsider it very quickly. :D
If someone doesn't want the pups, I usually plant them out in the field with corn, quite close to where I live. It's about 40 small SDC there. If no-one is interested till fall, I think that those bananas are fried. But maybe some will surivive and create a new strain of super cold hardy super dwarf bananas. :D
Just kiddin.
But it's pretty much their faith.

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Hey Yakuza
any updates about Monkey fingers? New pups?
:woohoonaner:

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YAKUZA, haven't heard from you for a while. Everything OK? How's the weather in N.? Hot and dry as here and Makarska? 33+°C :D Woohoa. Bananas don't like it though.

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I planted two water suckers. One died after a while. The other has been in the ground for like 10 months and is about 20% bigger. I have a sword pup I may replace that with. I'm letting it get big before I even seperate, the base circumference is probably 5x the size of the one in the ground already.

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In that case replace it and toss water sucker to me:ha::ha::ha:
BTW what banana are we talking about (Raja puri, right)?
:woohoonaner:

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Everithing not fine .
Rain, rain and rain but temp are between 22° end 27°c.
spidermite in greenhouse, soap solution is not good for greenhouse. leaves are turning brown and falling off.Nanas 2.
moved the plants outside end hope it becomes better.
the maurelli is a beauty. little but wooow.
the helenshybride sucker is about 30- 40 cm. ( time 2 remove?)
Monkey fingers sucker is growing but soooo sloooow. think 4cm and no leave.

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That arent good new at all :(.
Hope that your wether will be better real soon.
Go and get some real insecticide for that spidermates. Growth season is still long and all your naners can recover fast and prepare for winter.
:woohoonaner:

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Yeah the raja puri, the only big corm I have right now.

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Raja Puri's just making a large corm Ante here, wait up and there will be pups by the end of the shipping season... ;) :D

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I took it out with ~ 10 months of growing the corm was about the size of a grape

The pup I just put in is closer to an apple.

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I hope it will grow fast!
Wish U good weather.
:woohoonaner:

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:2182:Where are my gifts? :-(

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Come again? I don't understand. :waving:

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i want some gifts 2 pleasee hehe

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Maybe I could find another DDD pup next month!:ha::ha::ha:
:woohoonaner:

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Ou I get it. :D Soon my friend. I also experimentally started to propagate Pahari Kela (or at least I did a preparing step). The plant was forced to make lots of new roots yet can't grow upside so by the time it realizes it, it will have to make many pups. I hope at least for 4 to 6 in first generation, then remove them and later on another 10 maybe. We'll see. :D
Other than that, everything is still very small, although Musa 'Dwarf Brazilian' is making first larger leaves (larger than my hands and I'm a musician ;) ) and it also loses coloration in the leaves, so it might finally ping off. :D Hopefully.
Raja Puri small, SDC have few small pups, some were killed by the recent storms in here, Grand Nains are growing, some better, some less, Dajiao too, Maurelli's too small for propagation. :D Sitting ducks. They are all just sitting ducks. :(

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Hi Jack,

How are you doing?
It's good to here that the bananas are doing well.
What about the other stuff I have sent to you?

Can you make an updated picture of the dwarf brazilian and the rajapuri?


Regards, Marcel.

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Hi Marcel,
I've been trying to reach you on your mail, didn't you get it?
Both pups are doing extremely well, Dwarf Brazilian is way stronger than RP (from obvious reason)...

Okay, so here are the boys:
Dwarf Brazilian when I got it in May


Dwarf Brazilian about a week ago (it unfurled the leaf already and its huge, much larger than other before...)


Dwarf Brazilian tomorrow [to come]

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Raja Puri in May, when I got it (oh yeah, it was tough, but them ore I appreciate its comeback)


Raja Puri about a week ago


Raja Puri tomorrow [to come]
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Other than that:
Punica granatum: 2 plants surived the trip, both were swept to no-one knows when by the high speed winds from a week ago (120 to 150km/hod).
The fig is making small roots and starting to show some buds, passiflora was dead before I could do anything, Herculescue has about 1,5m right now and I don't really know, how far it will want to go... It grows well with tomatoes, so I guess I will stretch it like a vine. :D
Other plants survived/rooted and are being adapted/planted out. :D

They kinda like it here, it reminds them of home (we do really have almost the same weather, although mine is a little bit more unpredictible with worse extremes. :D ).

OK, gotta go, will post more tomorrow.
Really nice to hear from you again Marcel.
Hope you will stick with us longer, there are some cool people here you might enjoy speaking to... :waving::goteam::woohoonaner:

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a ddd? help me out its early for me he he

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Dalmatian Druting Dwarf (cavendish):ha::ha::ha:
Jack named it like that
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ow ok. i have 2 dwarfs. but you have many other plants i want hehe.the usa ones for example