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hi guys, my lasiocarpa has 5 pups en i whant 2 know whats the best time 2 seperate from motherplant.
Furder, basjoo 40 pups
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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hi guys, my lasiocarpa has 5 pups en i whant 2 know whats the best time 2 seperate from motherplant.
Furder, basjoo 40 pups
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Wow, YAKUZA, your sticky says 13°C Chilly...
Okey, so take something sharp and chop between the basjoo mother and pup in about 25° angle vertically towards the corm taking a little bit of it for the pup. That's in basjoo and lasiocarpa case. The ideal size for removal is about 40cm and more.
I would leave those DC pups on the plant, so that they can grow faster and remove them, when nr.4 emerges.

1 to 3 pups a plant is still a good ratio, their growth is quite balanced.

Tissue culturing maybe griphuz.
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Okey, so take something sharp and chop between the basjoo mother and pup in about 25° angle vertically towards the corm taking a little bit of it for the pup. That's in basjoo and lasiocarpa case. The ideal size for removal is about 40cm and more.
I would leave those DC pups on the plant, so that they can grow faster and remove them, when nr.4 emerges.

1 to 3 pups a plant is still a good ratio, their growth is quite balanced.

Tissue culturing maybe griphuz.
yep jack its chilly this week. The week before this one it was 30 degrees c . Is it good 2 seperate this mond or must i do it later? the chance is big i can get some tissue nanas for 2 ~6€. Plants are 5 cm high.
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Nice. It's cold here too, bet we don't fall below 17°C even in night's minimums.

Separate the Musella lasiocarpa pups and basjoo pups. I would leave the rest be on the mother corm for now.

What plants do you have at your disposal? Those TCs, which cultivars.
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Nice. It's cold here too, bet we don't fall below 17°C even in night's minimums.

Separate the Musella lasiocarpa pups and basjoo pups. I would leave the rest be on the mother corm for now.

What plants do you have at your disposal? Those TCs, which cultivars.
i think its about tis plants
Ensete glaucum
Musa nagensium
Musa basjoo
Musa sikkimensis Manipur(red form)
Musa sikkimensis
Musa sp ( helens hybrid )
ensete perierii

but im waiting for a mail 2 confirm this list.


Some one told me is good 2 cut leaves of lasiocarpa pups before placement in container for better root stimulation. is that true?
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ok i sepparat 2 big pups of the lasiocarpa en put them in containers.
made a little tour in the greenhouse end whaaaaaaa . little bugs on nannas.
think spidermites. leaves are grey end brown edges.
pup of lasiocarpa from 2008
siam ruby
basjoo red
ensete ventricosum
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all have spidermite
so i cut all the leaves exept the new one.
think the most spidermites are gon with tis handeling end sprayed some anti spidermite.
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Looks like I have same problem with some Ensetes. Sombody here was talking about spraying leaves with delute soap! What typ of soap and how deluted???
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Ante, against spidermites (I've never had any of my citruses or other plants infected with them) I adviced my friend in Czech republic, to spray them with the kitchen soap diluted in water or try whatever thing you use to wash up with. Just one thing there, make a cone or something, because when this water eliminates the spidermites, it will go down to the roots and the plants will make then deformed leaves (like poisoning).
You have to make some sort of a barrier b4 using any soap on the plants.
I repeat, it mustn't get to the roots.

The percentage is irrelevant, my friend used very strong percentage (let 1 soap stand in 3 litres and chop it in).
It won't hurt the leaves, when it's strong, in will however hurt the roots.
This procedure makes a thin film on the leaves and all the parasites simply die out, because they will either be poisoned or won't be able to get ne air...

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I've used soaps as a soil drench for fungus gnats.
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What pups did you mean YAKUZA? You haven't separated them yet? I don't understand .
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and how mutche soap in 1l water


You can toss the whole standard soap in 2 to 3 litres of water, you want use less. But be careful, this water MUSTN'T GET TO THE ROOTS. If it does, the plant will then produce several deformed leaves.
I also sometimes use the saponate you use to wash up your dishes after the meal. It also effective and it also can't reach roots.
Usually, when you stir the mixture and it makes bubbles, it's good.

I don't know about that leaf cutting. If I were you, I would cut the leaves on the first group and leave the leaves on the second group of plants and you will see.
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I use 1-2 drops of Dawn Dish Detergent in a 2 qt. spray bottle; seems to work fine. A little goes a long way. Remember to spray top and bottom of leaves as well as soil.
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Curious, it's not listed in Google transcalculating subprograms.
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I meant search engine subroutine. I don't use this, as it is slower. But thanks.
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