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A friend just told me it is possible to get many plants from one corm by dividing the corm. To many of you it will seem a basic and naive issue, but I did not know it could be done and how to proceed. Can anyone please explain? Thanks a lot I would do immediately on one plant if I can get 3 or 4. |
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This techniques is however very primitive and has been used on Ensetes as well. For instance, in Africa, where the Ensete ventricosum comes from, people usually devide the corm into 4 parts, they eat 2 and the rest grows to be a fully quality plant in time. It depends of course from many other conditions, the initial phases are... too long. Say month or two until the corm starts actively regenarating. Couldn't find the corm pictures for banana eyes. To fully comprehend this technique, start with gladioles. We (people in my region) have been fastening their propagation this way for decades, if not centuries. http://www.ceniap.gov.ve/ceniaphoy/a.../gmartinez.htm was the original file in Spanish, someone ran it through translator. Original file was however deleted after those people found out it's been linked somwhere, so MediaHound Pasted this Research article in another thread... No pics, sorry. Sturdy gladiole corm division propagation, you might have more succes understanding the principles there. Quote:
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OK, since so many people have answered so far, I'm gonna help those who want to know about this technique with a picture I found wandering in my wardrobe.
Here you see a plant that has flowered and fruited yet and this plant would normally die off. But why lose a healthy corm we ask? And so the process goes like this: ![]() I'm gonna describe it as it was written there, shorter of course, just to give you an idea: a) Clean the corm of the soil and remove all the roots, let there be only the bulb with clearly nothing there. It's adviesed to keep the top of the cut pseudostem. b) and c) Slowly dismantle te remnants of the p-stem and get rid off all that part by simply peeling it off and thus making it look like a downward cut with a ball-shaped, thicker item. d) Count all the eyes you can find (distinctive small places that are unlike the tissue around) and plan the incisions so, that you will have as many finally cut parts, as there is eyes. e) Hold the corm so that you can see all the eyes on the side and begin slow, yet precise cuts. It is adviced to do the cutting with one move, so that the wound is smooth and easy to work with. f) After cutting the corm into smaller pieces, simply remove other wrong tissue you find in the incision. Also, some people use ash and they cover the wound with old ash. I haven't tried it, just a translation. The pics should help. Piece. |
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I have done it and it works, but have only done it with corms of plants that have already flowered.
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I think with my banana ;)
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Thanks Diego. The flowering of the plant is not necessary. However the bigger the plant and the corm, the better.
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So what would be minimum corm size?
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I would say the bigger the better. From the pictures you see that they used the plant with at least 20cm thick P-stem. I checked the Pahari Kela today (Pahari Kela nr3 sprouting), because it was infested with ants and I sadly found out, that they were eating the corm!!! What the f*** they dam* small F**** cratures. I had to cut the half eaten, half rotting corm and as I was cleaning it I had to peel a little. It indeed was able to produce 3 new pups (had 3 eyes with no p-stem above the soil level), but I stopped peeling, when I noticed the shooting pup. Within a few weeks (if I hadn't damaged the roots before I put it to the ground), a new pup should be sprouting. Let's hope together, that the pup will emerge eventually.
So I would say that 80 to 100cm high plant (that was the PK's height before cutting in India) gives you apx 3 eyes and possibly 3 pups. But there's so many other variants. This one seems to be the riskiest. But eventually, corms cut in many parts seemed to recover just as well as p-stem cut in the middle. |
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Jack, would the new eye not grow quicker if roots were left on the corm?
Are these cake wedges placed on heatmats to encourage roots and growth or just put somewhere warm and left ?
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![]() Also various sources have various information. Especially about post-cutting procedures. Some say it's good to use ash to help the healing process, some don't use it at all and place it to the soil/pots. Dunno, someone will have to try, someone with reasonably large plants. |
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So I took a look into the books that I have at home and was able to get some more pics of this techniques (thanks to the National University of Nicaragua).
It's pretty much detailed and you can see the growth, if you zoom, even the eyes. You can clearly see, that the corm is devided and buried slightly to the soil. No other extra activities are not necessary. ![]() ![]() Btw. this technique can be googled (if you are patient enough) as Corm Division Reproduction techniques. Hope you enjoy it. |
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One more thing: how many plants you can have with this method in average, from Central American Plantain records:
![]() Btw. Ante, the sticky says 28°C (just like the meteo station in the coolest parts of Bratislava), my thermometer in the shade with no direct sunlight says 33°C. This stickies are good for nothing in Europe. |
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Jack, Thank you for this information, it is very useful!!
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Glad to help. But this data is strictly bound to certain plantains, maybe with our nanas it could be more or less.
That's why I would want everyone who has some experience with this to post their expertise here, for the preservation of the knowledge... ![]() |
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![]() ![]() 100% right. We have thunderstorm right now with temp. more than 30C.And I have to admitt that this is very good thread. U are doing great job here. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. ![]() Last edited by Dalmatiansoap : 07-04-2009 at 09:29 AM. Reason: text editing |
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Though this one seems very efficient, there are much better, less risky and more efficient ways of propagating the músaceae. I'm sure I read somewhere that this is the number one rated Maurelli propagation (2nd is the "V" chopping into the p-stem).
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What are you doing to keep ants away? I've noticed some hanging around my bananas.
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![]() ![]() Of the 9 pieces cut from the corm, 5 o 6 were sufficiently mature to grow plants, in the end. These pix are part of my "Banana Growing Tips" at http://webebananas.com/culture.html
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Can ensetes be propagated this way? Does the plant have to have flowered?
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Pitangadiego, what I cannot understand is in which terms this is useful. In fact, if a plant fruits and one cuts the pseudo-stem, these eyes in the roots will not become pups anyway which sprout from the ground also if they are not divided?
And moreover, if I need the corm of a plant to do this operation I have to take the corm of a plant which fruited already. But in this way will not I damage the pups attached to the plant? Thanks |
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a) remove the pups that are already attached to the corm, that will stimulate THEM to grow new roots, put the energy into making new corm and eventually also stimulate them to make another pups earlier b) you can do this with any plant, not only those that flowered. It is only done with those that had flowered already, because the people in the plantains don't want to lose large numbers of bunches. c) Not all the eyes that you see there would normally grow to pups. They would be timed out, so that each time only one or a few will pup. Cutting the corm will also cut their source of photosynthesis (it will cut it from dying motherplant and rising new pup that should replace mother) Quote:
And ewitte: Finally, against ants: Brute force only, dig in, remove the living tissue, pour boiling water into the nest, than make the sourounding area either too acidic or too salty. Let it stay like that and make it into the contrary environment in 1 hour. After that, the pH should return back in a week or so. If you don't want to wait, you can always fasten the process. |
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