geissene

Hi there

As fall is approaching, I was wondering how growers of patupi plants were doing. I know some people got pups last year but I haven't read about success stories from people with cold winters.

I have a small pup myself, that hopefully I can grow indoors to an appropriate size for next year.

Thanks,

Erik

scottu

Here as you know we had such a late spring that affected their early growth. i think next year this one will be a winner. pretty plant too, i will try to bare root and over winter in a pot.
I think they were very close to doing something this year.

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geissene

I agree that late frost really gave us a slow start. It will still be a challenge if this plant is truly fruiting at 8' height. Certainly, the bigger the pup the better your chances.

I was hoping someone not impacted by that late frost would have replied with a success story. I guess they are all busy harvesting patupi fruit!

Erik

Kevin2685

I put mine out to early. I lost all the height from last year. It's about 4 foot now. Next year I will try something different. It is a beautiful plant. I think in the colder zones it will fruit at around 6 foot

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geissene

Thanks Kevin!

BTW, What do you mean by try something different?

Kevin2685

they need to be bigger before they go in the ground and need to be put out when it's much warmer then the others. The mother will probably die I don't see it taking the cold spells we get but I'm going to see what happens I have enough pups.
I learned a little something about them in my environment so it's not a total loss plus they look nice.
Keep me updated on what you do and I will do the same.

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Musa basjoo
Dwarf orinico
Variegated dwarf namwah
Aeae
Patupi
Veinte cohol
Musa lasiocarpa (golden lotus)
Musa velutina
Raja puri
Mekong giant
Double cavendish
Super dwarf cavendish
Truly tiny
Musa laterita
Ensete maurelli

TykeA

I'm over wintering one under lights. Will probably put it in the ground early May. Will keep you guys posted

cincinnana

Give the plant 3-5 years to really determine the characteristics of its growth in zone 6

That is 2-5 grow cycles in our zone 5,6,

I am at 2 cycles with my plants in ground.....and containesr overwintering in my home with a couple of other plants.

Still I do not think this plant will bloom,and have edible fruit in one season.

Our grow window is 170-+ frost to frost the rest is downtime...

The plant does pup though.....

I have some Viente Cohols At 6 grow cycles and still nothing......very temperature dependent.

I am ready to toss this one in the compost pile but the foliage is so awesome.

ORINOCOS in zone 5/6 are the go to plant for a flower .....but no fruit....LOL


But there is hope........

These are Zone 6 thoughts.....


Thoughts from the Pros?

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crazy banana

Wow. 6 grow cycles is crazy. I don't know if I had that much patience. Kudos to all your zone pushers!

geissene

Thanks cincinnana,

I agree with Crazy Banana! That is real patience.

I am wondering which method is best and practical for over-wintering these in our zone. Since keeping a 6' tall plant with 10 large leaves isn't an option in my house, I seem to be left with a few choices:

1. Outdoor insulated shelter (probably not likely to survive?)
2. Bare root storage (maybe?)
3. Cut pstem down and allow it to regrow all winter in a pot indoors.
4. Keep small pups in pots indoors.

I like option 3 since this allows the corm to stay large and actively growing. Since the plant pups a lot, perhaps some experiments are possible.

Its a beautiful plant, so it would be nice to see a flower/fruit but I'll keep my expectations low!

Thanks

Erik

cincinnana

Great choices to choose from.....Wow


No wonder your plants look so well

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geissene

So here is a progress report from me. I dug up and potted my small patupi plant about a month ago. The main plant mysteriously died back and then it pushed a new pup. I guess it was too much shock with fall temps and repotting. This is the first time I had this happen but I am just happy the corm didn't die.

Looks like i might be able to get this pup up to decent size before spring.

Erik

geissene

I'm going to bump this thread.

I would love to hear from anyone that has had success (or not) with overwintering Patupi plants in the northern states.

As for me, my small patupi pup kept doing grow / die back cycles all winter indoors. My latest pup is currently on the 8th leaf but is growing slow due to the cold wet weather we've had. Not sure but this plant has proven to be more difficult to grow and I normally treat all my plants with the same conditions.

Would love know what works or doesn't work from other people!

Thanks

Erik

TykeA

Mine did fine under HO T5 lights in the basement. I had 15 bananas of different varieties under lights. I cut leaves back to about half their length so everything got plenty of light. Watered lightly most weeks. Just trying to maintain them thru the winter. Wasn't trying to get lots of growth on them.
The larger stuff with heavy trunks over wintered bare root in my garage. All survived and are actively growing.

Tytaylor77

I'm not as far north as some of y'all but mine survived fine in ground. Died to the corm of course. Then I threw plastic dog food bags over thrm to slow the wetness down just like I do my Veinte cohols. All AA types are very sensitive to cold. I will know for sure this year how fast they fruit and fill. I have 7 of them in the ground this year

Largest one is about 5-6' right now. Great grower when warm, but they hardly crawl when the temps drop even slightly!

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HMelendez

I know this doesn't apply to me because I live in South Florida, but I just want to share my experience growing The Patupi.....My Patupi was trans-planted on the ground on July 7, 2016 and she flowered on the first week of December, 2016!.....In only 5 months!.....


A couple of pictures of my Patupi, in which flowered/bloomed on December, 2016.....













As Ty mentioned, Patupi is very sensitive to cold!.....Even we have a mild winter on South Florida comparing to you guys that live up north, the second crop of Patupi (currently growing pup) did slowed down growing on the winter months....After the third week of February, 2017, it just took off growing, once the weather started to get warmer!.....Now Patupi is approx. 7 ft. tall and growing fast....It should flower at anytime!....Patupi usually flowers/blooms at 8 ft. tall!....


My hat off and my respect for you guys that live up north, growing The Patupi and other 'Nana varieties as well!..... Zone Pushers!....

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hdynad

Got 3 Patupi late last summer. i winterized them in the greenhouse during the winter and they did fine. we will see how the do this year and now are about 2ft tall. I am anxious to see a full summer of Texas heat will do for these babies!

happy growing to all,

Darla

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Thanks Keith!......

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geissene

Thanks everyone for the information. In the last few days we finally got warm weather and my pup has perked up! The latest leaves look much better. Also I finally see a dark pink color forming on the p-stem.

Ok, so maybe my patupi 'snowflake' was too cold, too wet, or too small to handle the winter in my house. I bought a soil heating cable that I will experiment with this coming winter. Hopefully a larger plant will be less sensitive.

Pic of my pup from last week: