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04-23-2024, 05:23 PM | #21 (permalink) |
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Re: New way to grow Bananas in colder climates??
Extremely creative, big kudos for that. I hope it works!
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Re: New way to grow Bananas in colder climates??
for me when they grow crooked, [which they will do it with a quickness] straightening them back seems to take a lot out of them. they don't seem want to grow good again. i just plant them in the ground bent.
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Re: New way to grow Bananas in colder climates??
Interesting that you plant them that way. I had not noticed a slow down after planting them upright again but I will have to look for that next time one of mine bends. Do the ones, planted out bent, produce fruit well after that?
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Yep, right now it's not needed and easy to roll, but when I get around to it, I have been planning to put a lever arm on the Barrel that's parallel to the pstem for easier rolling. At some point (assuming the Bananas grow well like this) I plan to connect multiple barrels together and in that case I'll use a hand crank or winch and make some sort of more elaborate frame.
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Interesting.....are you disturbing the roots when you try and straighten them, by taking it out of the pot and then replanting it straight? If so, I would suspect it's the disturbance to the roots that is setting the growth back.....I'm thinking that having a rolling barrel so that the roots are never disturbed should work well, and I also plan to anchor downthe Pstem so it can grow crooked in the first place....all experimental and theory at this point so I'll see what happens!
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Re: New way to grow Bananas in colder climates??
As expected, the Banana plant did start to lift off the oak stump about an inch, and slowly trying to now grow upward, so I put a retaining strap on it that's attached to a cinder block. We'll see how this does. I'll monitor how the strap effects the Pstem and reposition it as necessary.
For anyone interested, I'm documenting this also on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/horizontal...ExYjZkNGI0OA== |
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I was thinking about this experiment earlier, and in theory, if its used for cold nights, in theory the bending growth should be very minimal if you tilt it back upright once the sun comes up. Or... and hear me out, You make ANOTHER box on the OTHER side, and rotate the sides it flips to every night. More work, but definitely intresting because you might end up getting a wavey banana plant. Great progress so far, we're all cheering you on! |
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I like your idea, and if a swivel base was put underneath the barrel, a second box wouldn't be necessary because once the plant was upright, the barrel could just be rotated 180 deg in about 1 sec, and then when you rolled it back down, the opposite side of the pstem would be facing down. I think I will build a swivel to put under the barrel that way I can effortlessly rotate it 360 deg when its upright. |
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however planting an extremely bent one might make it produce another corm at the bend. Quote:
go to cinncinana's pics on one of his posts, he is very successful with bananas in pots. and he has some blow down and bend, i call them ohioleaners
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Re: New way to grow Bananas in colder climates??
Your idea works great when in the direct path of a major hurricane and I've only had 3 direct hits from major hurricanes over the past 60 years but there are much easier solutions to extreme high winds. After Hurricane Maria President Trump's helicopter circled my farm many times because they had to be shocked that there was nearly no damage to any of the banana plants on our farm while the neighboring farms were leveled.
The reason it works well for major hurricanes is that hurricanes normally pass in less than 24 hours and the plants can be stood back up quickly before any 'Growing Point' changes become permanent. Pseudostem means fake stem and is not where the new growth is produced. Once it's understood that it's the 'Growing Point' that grows away from gravity it's easier to understand what happens when a banana plant is laid parallel to the ground for a prolonged period of time. If the plant is small the 'Growing Point' can move forward quickly enough for it and the pseudostem to curve upwards. If the plant is large the 'Growing Point' will still curve upward but because the pseudostem is too large and will resist being curved the 'Growing Point' will eventually produce enough pressure to split the pseudostem and the 'Growing Point' will pop out the side of the pseudostem. Quote:
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Step 1. Lay a potted banana plant on it's side in order to quickly move the "Growing Point" and create an "ohioleaner". Step 2. Bury the bend and it will quickly produce new roots. The "Growing Point" is always past the "Root Initials". This signifies when the "Growing Point" is safely past the bend and can be separated from the potted rhizome. Step 3. Re-pot the cutting which still contains the original "Growing Point". Step 4. The original rhizome which no longer has the original "Growing Point" will automatically activate it's axillary buds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apical_dominance This technique is very useful when a grower wants to quickly propagate a banana plant without damaging the original plant. Below is a variegated banana that has the most beautiful variegation I've ever seen in that variety. Because it took over 10 years of propagation efforts to produce this plant I was not willing to damage it in order to possibly produce vegetative offshoots with similar variegation.
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Many thanks for the instruction. I will certainly begin to use this method.
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Agreed that is a very beautiful variegation. Hope that will become available one day.
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Wow, this is awesome info, Thanks! So it looks like the horizontal growth won't work, but I'm thinking this could still be an extremely usefully method when the plant is in dormancy to not disturb the roots while overwintering. As long as the plant is growing keep it upright, but when winter arrives and after the leaves die back, then roll it down into the horizontal position and cover with insulation in a box so that the geothermal ground heat keeps it between 40 and 50 deg. Without any Sunlight and the colder storage temps the grow point won't shift I'd imagine? Could still also be useful for keeping your banana rack growing into the winter if it hasnt ripened yet...once the flower has emerged, and the Bananas formed, I imagine the growth point no longer grows so from then on the Banana could be in the Horizontal position to finish the fruit to harvest. But then all the new pups would start to grow in the new upright orientation..... |
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When the 'Growing Point' emerges from the top of a mature pseudostem it's often referred to as the flower and after the fruit are formed it's referred to as the male bud. If it's a Horn type variety the growth point no longer grows after the last hand of fruit is produced. If it's a False-horn type variety the growth point no longer grows around a week or so after the last hand of fruit is produced. If it's a French type variety the growth point continues growing and referred to as the male bud. Here's a photo of some French type male buds.
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Causing stress, often makes the plant think its in trouble which can induce self preservation mode i.e. budding, flowering, or fruiting?? So it appears that turning a Banana plant horizontally should not be done until after the mature plant has produced its last hand of banana fruit, at which point its stopped growing. With maybe the exception of when putting it into Winter Dormancy. This may be a crazy idea, but I'm wondering if repeatedly stressing the plant by laying it horizontally for a couple days at a time and each time, rotating it 180 deg so that it alternates between both sides of the pstem facing down ....I'm wondering if this could prevent the growth point from growing up through the side of the pstem, and maybe trigger it into flowering early. It would be alot of work to do this, and probably not worth it, but just makes me curious how the plant would respond. Last edited by n8-r : 04-28-2024 at 04:28 PM. |
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