Richard

Here's my wife Sue with her Santa hat peddling 1-lb jars and 25-lb bags at the Luecadia Farmers Market!

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We recently transplanted 360 tissue culture plugs into 4-inch pots. The pots were first loosely filled with soil, and planting holes were made by pushing down in the center with a capped piece of 1/2-inch pipe. Mycorrhizae was then sprinkled into each pot using a kitchen spice shaker. The plants were then placed in the holes.

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mango_kush

I hear mychorize works well here because we have sandy soil. I can see a noticeable difference when i throw down a few bags of cheap manure as well.

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Abnshrek

I got richard's 25 lbs bag and I throw a handful and mix it in the dirt w/ pups.. I shipped out a couple banana's yesterday that had some bushy roots that are only going to be bushier since the root ball was coated in Mycorrhizae then wrapped up for transport. :^)

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http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%2...ycorrhizae.pdf

by Dr. Linda Chalker-Scott, Washington State University.



"When the soil chemistry is significantly changed by the addition of pollutants or contaminants including salts, lime, heavy metals, and fungicides, many mycorrhizal species are unable to function. But by far the most damaging to mycorrhizal health is excessive fertilizer application, especially of those containing phosphate; this includes composted manure and many soilless potting mixes."

"Stop using soluble phosphate fertilizer! If soil tests show you’ve got too much phosphate already, research has found that conservative additions of nitrogen fertilizer or organic material can increase mycorrhizal infectivity."

"Yet numerous studies have demonstrated that phosphate fertilizer is deadly to mycorrhizal associations."

"Healthy soils naturally contain indigenous mycorrhizae. Adding packaged mycorrhizae to such soils is a waste of money and resources."

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Abnshrek

Well I add soil for raised beds since I have clay so I add Mycorrhizae and I get Bushy roots..
Banana Gallery - Bushy roots
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50220&cat=1990 I should have taken a picture of the CG I just dug up it was in the ground 5 weeks.. :^)

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One of the points Dr. Linda Chalker-Scott, of Washington State University is trying to make is...
If you do decide to buy mycorrhizae then buy a product that was specifically manufactured for your area of the country because only the indigenous mycorrhizae will survive.
Do not spend many hours looking for a product that was specifically manufactured for your area of the country because it does not exist.

The other point is to make people aware that they could be killing indigenous mycorrhizae by adding too much phosphates to their soil.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with throwing away money, this is a good opportunity for the money to find a more secure home.

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bananimal

LOL --- good one!

Abnshrek

For 7 bucks a pound Richard can secure my well spent money. All I know is I have an advantage growing stuff in a neglible area. Any advantage I tend to put to use.. That's my bottom line.. :^)

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Worm_Farmer

Awesome PRICE!

This is what I just got, I have had really good luck with this one. I like it because it has more than just 1 type of mycorrhizae

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What you are describing is exactly the opposite of what the product should be doing,
but then you say - Hey look how great it works.

The only logical explanation is that you don't understand the function of mycorrhizae.


This is an excerpt from an article from the University of Florida.

For some plant species, the association with mycorrhizal fungi is indispensable. The degree of dependence varies with plant species, particularly the root morphology, and conditions of soil and climate.

Plants with thick roots, poorly branched and with few root hairs, are usually more dependent on mycorrhizae for normal growth and development.

These species include onions, grapes, citrus, cassava, coffee, and tropical legumes. When the level of soil fertility and humidity are increased, the dependence on the mycorrhizal condition decreases to a point where the plant becomes immune to colonization.


I know the "Placebo Effect" does work on some humans, but I don't believe it works on plants.

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Abnshrek

That's presuming a bit much.. I'm not spitting hairs. I think Worm Farmer said it best.. You use it, you don't that's up to you. A U of Florida excerpt of an article isn't going to help me much if at all unless the study is clay soil, but most likely it's in sand. So if I had the article in hand it might help me start a fire and that's about it. :^)

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I apologize, a 5 sentence excerpt is a bit long. See if this is easier for you, here are 2 sentences from the article.

Plants with thick roots, poorly branched and with few root hairs, are usually more dependent on mycorrhizae for normal growth and development.

When the level of soil fertility and humidity are increased, the dependence on the mycorrhizal condition decreases to a point where the plant becomes immune to colonization.



There is absolutely nothing wrong with reading and learning. and you can always burn the books when you are finished.

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Abnshrek

Your probably right..you should to yourself.. :^)
Does the study say what material was used for the study? They say dependence decreases, but I don't think anyone has optimum fertility in soil to the point of us using the product in question is futile. If pulled a plant out of the ground that had the root mass without using Mycorrhizae of one where I did I'd probably save myself a couple bucks now wouldn't I.. If you didn't know it I'm here to help people, not create conflict or degrade an individual. What's your motivation? Mine is plants, helping others when I can, and being Happy :^)

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Please keep comments respectful and productive....or else!

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I dont want to fight with anyone. And i know the way i use myco is not txt book. But i can tell you without any doubt in my mind it works on everything i have. I will agree it has a better effect on some plants than others. Like my blue berrys have tons of small roots now but i dont see a lot of growth because of it. My cherry tree seemed to sit still for 3 months after i put it in the ground after myco it is now growing and seems to be growing fast right now. It seems that my pear tree was triggered to flower and has lots of flowers on it right now. I also use humic acid 2 - 3 times a year and love the effects i see from humic. I will also mix my myco, humic, and fish together for a smelly batch that i call super mix.

Is this the right way to use these products? Great question and i dont know. What i do know is that they dont burn and the plants respond and for the amount i spend im more than happy with what i see.

Abnshrek

That's what I'm talking about.. Just wing-it.. My G/F hates it when I use fish.. stinkin' up my back porch.. lol The fish has my 2nd orange tree blooming, and the reason I have grapefruit on my 2nd tree as well. Tomorrow I'm getting a new mixer that really lays it down. I can get 42 gallons out in 12 minutes (alot better than 1 gpm for 15 gal). :^)

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What you have been noticing is commonly referred to as BRS, what you may not have noticed yet is that the roots are shorter.
It is important to remember that there is no "Magic Pill" or as in this case no "Magic Powder".

Although "Magic Pixie Dust" appears to be real.

'Pixie Dust' made from pig bladders regrows limbs of wounded soldiers | Mail Online


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Indeed many manufacturers of mycorrhizal inoculants add other ingredients to increase product efficacy.

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The myco product I'm using has Mycorrhizae, Humic acid, Kelp extracts and Cottonseed meal.

Hey, maybe that's why one of the set back Ae Ae finally took off. Cottonseed meal at 75% of the mix is acid forming --- dropped the pH.

Got a 50 lb bag of the Cotton from a cow feed store this year. Have been using it on the blue berries mainly. Will start putting it on the other Ae Ae.

Thanks for the tweak guys.