I need to grow more banana plants.... - Page 3

Richard · 12-23-2013, 05:27 PM

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... I suspect what's blooming now were F1s ...

I seriously doubt it. Packets of patented seeds are very slow sellers.

Kat2 · 12-23-2013, 07:37 PM

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I seriously doubt it. Packets of patented seeds are very slow sellers.

I save OP tomatoes; these plants came from seeds from hybrid tomatoes that sprouted in the compost. I transplanted them expecting them to die; they didn't.

Richard · 12-23-2013, 08:12 PM

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I save OP tomatoes;

You mean off-patent tomatoes? Most off-patent tomatoes are hybrids, albeit stable.

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these plants came from seeds from hybrid tomatoes that sprouted in the compost. I transplanted them expecting them to die; they didn't.

Just because they are hybrid doesn't mean they are unstable. That is a myth touted by marketeers using fear-based advertising.

If they don't come true to type, then it is almost always because the host plant received some pollen from a different tomato or tomato-compatible source.

Kat2 · 12-23-2013, 10:08 PM

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You mean off-patent tomatoes? Most off-patent tomatoes are hybrids, albeit stable.

I suppose I do. I've never bagged tomato blossoms yet seed saved came true. Except for the year I stuck a currant (only potato leaf) in the mix. Next year? I had some crackers. Worthless pink pear shaped fruit that cracks before turning red and tastes nasty. (A good friend very knowledgeable about tomato crosses and tomatoes clued me in. He trades seeds from all over; he's gotten some of them.) Tossed all seeds from that year and went back to my provens; I never plant my entire stash.

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Just because they are hybrid doesn't mean they are unstable. That is a myth touted by marketeers using fear-based advertising.

If they don't come true to type, then it is almost always because the host plant received some pollen from a different tomato or tomato-compatible source.

Not necessarily. A friend's father and I were gardening friends in the 80s. We lived more than a mile apart but both let volunteers from hybrids grow; we both ended up with tasteless huge cherries. Soured me on bothering with Early Girl or any of he "gotta grow" varieties. That said, I did purchase hybrids for "the south" knowing I would not save a single seed. Turns out I didn't get a chance; they never bloomed.

Richard · 12-23-2013, 10:26 PM

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Not necessarily. A friend's father and I were gardening friends in the 80s. We lived more than a mile apart but both let volunteers from hybrids grow; we both ended up with tasteless huge cherries.

I believe it. Further, I believe they were pollenized by other tomato varieties growing in those gardens or nearby.

Many hybrids contain the genetics of cherry tomatoes because somewhere early along the line they were cross-bred with cherry tomato for hardiness. It is standard practice. So if you look at the offspring of tomatoes grown in a home garden, the probability of getting cherry is about 40%, the probability of getting an even mix of attributes between the parent and the donor is also about 40%, and the probability of getting something else entirely is about 20%.

Further, if the only two plants in the garden were the parent and a cherry, the probability of getting a cherry offspring is nearly 100%.

eddiemunozep · 12-23-2013, 10:52 PM

Well if southern California doesn't get a lot rain this winter I am going to have to keep 13 banana plants in pots 15 gal and 5 gal until spring 2015 assuming we get good rain next winter.

Much less growing my vegetables and herbs this season. Trying to understand all this talk about tomatoes. All I know is that I haven't found the correct correct variety for my area.

Eddie

Kat2 · 12-23-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

I believe it. Further, I believe they were pollenized by other tomato varieties growing in those gardens or nearby.

Many hybrids contain the genetics of cherry tomatoes because somewhere early along the line they were cross-bred with cherry tomato for hardiness. It is standard practice. So if you look at the offspring of tomatoes grown in a home garden, the probability of getting cherry is about 40%, the probability of getting an even mix of attributes between the parent and the donor is also about 40%, and the probability of getting something else entirely is about 20%.

Further, if the only two plants in the garden were the parent and a cherry, the probability of getting a cherry offspring is nearly 100%.

I called them cherries--perhaps I should have said cherry bombs. Simply awful. I haven't looked back after sticking to old varieties. I just learned that the seeds were probably from the supermarket so what these plants produce are anyone's guess. FL supermarket tomatoes are dreadful...

crazy banana · 12-24-2013, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eddiemunozep

Well if southern California doesn't get a lot rain this winter I am going to have to keep 13 banana plants in pots 15 gal and 5 gal until spring 2015 assuming we get good rain next winter.

Much less growing my vegetables and herbs this season. Trying to understand all this talk about tomatoes. All I know is that I haven't found the correct correct variety for my area.

Eddie

I too have yet to find the correct varieties with good yields. Our coastal fog causes powdery mildew issues on my plants. The more resistant varieties just do not taste that great, so there is the juggle between mildew resistant varieties and/ or fighting the diseases organically or with the least amount of chemicals.

Richard · 12-24-2013, 01:01 AM

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I too have yet to find the correct varieties with good yields. Our coastal fog causes powdery mildew issues on my plants. The more resistant varieties just do not taste that great, so there is the juggle between mildew resistant varieties and/ or fighting the diseases organically or with the least amount of chemicals.

Consider the presence of copper in the soil where tomatoes are native, and the lack of it in your soil. Now go buy some Liqui-Cop. It is not certified-organic for homeowners, but it is for those who have a license.

crazy banana · 12-24-2013, 01:22 AM

I do not see it on your website. Do you carry it?

eddiemunozep · 12-24-2013, 01:27 AM

Liqui-cop I got at home depot

Richard · 12-24-2013, 02:09 AM

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I do not see it on your website. Do you carry it?

Nope. I only sell fertilizer products from Grow More. There are other sites that buy pesticides by the pallet and offer great prices.

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eddiemunozep Eddie M Location: Lake Elsinore, California Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Eddie M Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 276 BananaBucks : 79,713 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 324 Times Was Thanked 204 Times in 97 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times	Re: I need to grow more banana plants.... Liqui-cop I got at home depot

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