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Hello Banana friends:

This is my very first banana plant ever. This MUSA BASJOO pup was given to me by a kind gardener from another forum. It came from British Columbia, Canada. I have recently put it in the middle of my brand new lily garden. Figured it would offer some shade to the lilies, as they get none whatsoever.

I buried the pup in some rich compost with a bit of blood and bonemeal worked into the soil, to give it a great start. It seems to be doing terrific so far. This shot was taken about 5 days ago now, but want to show it from really tiny to really huge. I will post more peeks and continue to update my progress in this thread, as the season wears on, and as the plant grows.

This banana plant is in a south site where it will get all day sunshine and evening too! I bet it will be one huge tree. I am sooooo enjoying this experience, even though my little plant is just tiny yet...






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You will never see it coming, as it grows to incredeible sizes. The next year in the spring you will have maybe 1,8m tall plant.
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You will never see it coming, as it grows to incredeible sizes. The next year in the spring you will have maybe 1,8m tall plant.

With another half a dozen or so pups growing around it
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Yup, I am aware that it will be huge, and that it will produce many pups next Spring around the base of the plant. I fully intend on 'de-pupping' and either moving them to other areas, or giving them away.

Oh how exciting this is. I will take another shot today, so you can see how it's coming along. Like I said, the 1st shot was taken 5 days ago. Boy these things grow quickly. I am impressed. I will show a shot too, of the entire lily garden, so you can see where my banana plant is situated.

Ok, I'll go get a shower, so I can go out and snap a few shots. Be back to post them shortly...

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So far so good HBL, don't like being the fly in the ointment. Mine got to about 3 1/2 foot last year from that size. I protected the p-stem with straw bales and lost it due to excessive cold. The corm barely survived, probably due to me uncovering too early. This year I plan on mulching with leaves assuming that they will make better contact with the soil and provide better insulation. I'll also use freeze pruf on the p-stem and cover with a tarp. Definitely read as many cold hardy threads as you can and learn from others(mine) mistakes. Good luck with your new baby.
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Thanks, Bob.

I guess there are all kinds of takes on this freeze issue, huh? I spoke with two people in Ontario where I am, and they both said they did absolutely nothing to protect their basjoos and both of them return each Spring!

I was planning to do things like them and not worry about it, like they both told me. One person is from Thunder Bay, Ontario - where some of the most severe winter weather can strike!

I am going to do an experiment. I actually have 2 basjoos, but one is still indoors. I am planning to put it outside also soon. I will protect one, and not the other over this coming winter, and see what happens in the spring. I am told this is an extremely hardy banana plant - the hardiest of them all - we'll see...

Anyway, here is my lily garden - the little basjoo pup is at the front, in the middle, but still quite small just yet. The 2nd shot is an upclose shot of the pup...





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I love the combination of lilies surrounding the basjoo or any banana. I think JohnNY has this combo in his gallery and I remember wanting to steal that idea myself. Then I went in to collector mode and went a little crazy so I'm thinning out my collection mainly after September based on performance. It will be interesting for all of us to see your results.
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Really? I thought you might think I was nutz, putting a huge banana plant in with lilies! I didn't know if it was a good idea or not - I was worrying!

Too funny, that someone thought of it too and that it worked out. The lily flowers will be here only for a short time - so I wanted to see something interesting among them as they slowly die down. I am just as excited as a kid at Christmas time, to watch this thing grow! It's just too cool.

My one neighbor's eyes nearly bulged out of her head, when I told her what the little pup was. She just couldn't believe it, and is also excited to see it grow as well.

Ok, here is a shot of my indoor basjoo, that is going outside shortly. The shot is taken in front of my indoor asiatic lilies that are dying back, but it grows under my fluorescent light system...

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Yup, I am aware that it will be huge, and that it will produce many pups next Spring around the base of the plant. I fully intend on 'de-pupping' and either moving them to other areas, or giving them away.
Ou, you will love it, no doubt about that.
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Oh how exciting this is. I will take another shot today, so you can see how it's coming along. Like I said, the 1st shot was taken 5 days ago. Boy these things grow quickly. I am impressed. I will show a shot too, of the entire lily garden, so you can see where my banana plant is situated.
Tell me about that. I take pictures of my nanas every one or 2 days and they grow extremely well here, there always abvious in the end of the day, how much the plant has grown...Even when I look in the morning and evening.
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I guess there are all kinds of takes on this freeze issue, huh? I spoke with two people in Ontario where I am, and they both said they did absolutely nothing to protect their basjoos and both of them return each Spring!
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I am going to do an experiment. I actually have 2 basjoos, but one is still indoors. I am planning to put it outside also soon. I will protect one, and not the other over this coming winter, and see what happens in the spring. I am told this is an extremely hardy banana plant - the hardiest of them all - we'll see...
There is a man, a very experienced grower in Germany and he wanted to get rid of his basjoos (he has up to 30 of them, one large mat). So when the winter came, he didn't protect them at all. Several nights it went to -15°C (5°F) and he thought they were dead. How surprising it was, when 30 (instead of 20 frozen plants, that he wanted to kill and keep only 10) sprouted in the spring. Some of them reached the height of 1,6m till November.
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Really? I thought you might think I was nutz, putting a huge banana plant in with lilies! I didn't know if it was a good idea or not - I was worrying!
Lemme tell you something. You might have seen some pics of my garden around and if you watched it carefully, you would have noticed, that the nanas are growing along tomatoes, paprikas, carrots, strawberries, blueberries.
So who's really nuts? I think I am. Yet I think that the nanas are suitable to be planted out anywhere in the garden. They are that lovely and both - esthetic and full of purposes.

THis is not shouting, just wanted to separate it from the responses above.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU, I'm GLAD TO HEAR, THAT YOUR ADDICTION IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. I MEAN BETTER AND BETTER.
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Thanks, Jack Daw. Nice of you to comment.

I notice how quickly these suckers grow, too. Very cool. I will show pics often, so don't worry.

Not surprised to hear the story about the basjoo plant surviving, because I've heard similar stories from others also. What a terrific plant.

I gotta go throw some water down for my little banana guy - it's getting hot out there. Debating on whether to keep my second pup inside or put it out as planned. I would love to keep it inside and put it out next Spring - maybe see some fruits! Who knows what I'll do - we'll see...

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Thanks, Jack Daw. Nice of you to comment.

I notice how quickly these suckers grow, too. Very cool. I will show pics often, so don't worry.

Not surprised to hear the story about the basjoo plant surviving, because I've heard similar stories from others also. What a terrific plant.

I gotta go throw some water down for my little banana guy - it's getting hot out there. Debating on whether to keep my second pup inside or put it out as planned. I would love to keep it inside and put it out next Spring - maybe see some fruits! Who knows what I'll do - we'll see...

Glad to add my part of the knowedge to the pile...
The only problem in freezing to the ground in no fruit. But that is the only reason I grow naners, to see the fruit, so it's MUST BE attitude in here...
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I think a big factor in survivability of basjoo, and other plants, is how well they are established. Our local botanical garden had a mat of basjoo that they protected every winter for years. Then, once, they decided they wanted basjoos in a different location, so they planted some in the new spot, and didn't bother protecting the old mat anymore. One of the people, there, told me, "We don't even cover it anymore, but it comes back fine, every year." I think it's because it has a large established root system, and that newer plantings would have to be protected, at least for the first couple of years.
I've seen the same thing with figs. I know people with huge trees, who never do anything with them, and they come back fine. I've had a couple, where I forgot to cover them in the first winter after planting, and they were toast, but now I have a fig that I had been covering for several years, and didn't get around to it last year, but there was no problem.
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I think a big factor in survivability of basjoo, and other plants, is how well they are established. Our local botanical garden had a mat of basjoo that they protected every winter for years. Then, once, they decided they wanted basjoos in a different location, so they planted some in the new spot, and didn't bother protecting the old mat anymore. One of the people, there, told me, "We don't even cover it anymore, but it comes back fine, every year." I think it's because it has a large established root system, and that newer plantings would have to be protected, at least for the first couple of years.
I've seen the same thing with figs. I know people with huge trees, who never do anything with them, and they come back fine. I've had a couple, where I forgot to cover them in the first winter after planting, and they were toast, but now I have a fig that I had been covering for several years, and didn't get around to it last year, but there was no problem.
Agreed, in our Botanical garden there is a mat large 2m in diameter, that German guy had them planted about 20 in a small place, like 3x4m and those were all old plants, 3m+. I wouldn't try it with very young plants, HL, but definitely in a year or 2, that should be no problem.
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Thanks guys - we'll just have to see how my little experiment goes...
I wish you luck. Depends on how intensively and for how long the soil will freeze.
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It is sound advice and I may be a fool not to take it, but I must do what supposedly cannot be done!

As well, the person in Thunder Bay, Ontario, told me that they never once covered their plant, even when they got their 1st pup in the beginning. I will definitely protect one pup, so I don't end up with nothing, if I fail miserably, but the other will remain uncovered.

One thing I did do though, is I buried the pup deep, when I sunk it into the lily garden. We get snow really fast when it turns cold, and snow is even better than mulch, so I believe the roots will be just fine. I also buried a blood and bonemeal treat over a foot down, to encourage the roots to go deep. They have over 4 months to get established before winter sets in.

Let's see if the people in my neck of the woods are in fact correct in that it does not require any protection, or if come Spring, I'll be sorry!

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It is sound advice and I may be a fool not to take it, but I must do what supposedly cannot be done!

As well, the person in Thunder Bay, Ontario, told me that they never once covered their plant, even when they got their 1st pup in the beginning. I will definitely protect one pup, so I don't end up with nothing, if I fail miserably, but the other will remain uncovered.

One thing I did do though, is I buried the pup deep, when I sunk it into the lily garden. We get snow really fast when it turns cold, and snow is even better than mulch, so I believe the roots will be just fine. I also buried a blood and bonemeal treat over a foot down, to encourage the roots to go deep. They have over 4 months to get established before winter sets in.

Let's see if the people in my neck of the woods are in fact correct in that it does not require any protection, or if come Spring, I'll be sorry!

You are lucky. We have freezes about -5°C (23°F) and the snows holds in the night, but then the day comes and we have 10°C and the snow is gone, turns into water and that goes straight to the soil, but not before it freezes deeply the next night.
Usually, when the hardest frosts come (usually one night or so, sometimes a week, but never more), there's no snow at all and the frosts are deep, yet no plant is protected. Especially peaches dislike such conditions.

I lost about 30 seedlings of hardy palms (Trachys, Nannorrhopses,...) because of the snow not able to hold on during the day. They were all wet and then froze to death in the night in -10°C (14°F), little babies. I burried each one of them into the compost with a very, very bad feeling of misery and failure.
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Oh I am so sorry, Jack! That's just awful. Now you've got me re-thinking everything.



Maybe I should just stop screwing around and cover the darn thing up! At least then, I'll know for sure that it will return the following Spring. The rebel in me wants to see what will happen though, if I dont!



Not to worry, I have a feeling things will turn out, one way or the other! I am excited to see this little guy grow! I can even see it from my living room window!

I hope it really takes off for me, over the next couple of weeks...

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I hope so too and I hope the look from your window will make you happier and happier as the years will go by and pass.
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