Enano gigante - Page 2

harveyc · 10-17-2008, 03:42 PM

Boy, I need to stop by that nursery some time. Unfortunately, I usually am driving by the area after hours.

You got one great deal there!

By the way, if you happen to be interested in pomegranates, I'll be driving to the Wolfskill Experimental Farm on 11/8 and you can come along, if you'd like. Richard will also be there all the way from San Diego!

bepah · 10-17-2008, 06:22 PM

Harvey,

Thanks for the invite. However, that is the same day as the American Bamboo Society Annual Convention. Big time stuff with lectures, demos, rare plants auctions for members, etc.

I am committed to go to it, so the pomegranates will have to do without me.

I will be taking some photos for those who also like bamboos as well.

Thanks again!

Chironex · 10-17-2008, 07:30 PM

Can't wait to see them. And, Yes - I also started collecting bamboo - as if bananas weren't enough.

GreenFin · 03-23-2012, 04:21 PM

Anybody get fruit from their Enano Gigantes? What was the fruiting height? How big was the bunch? Did the fruits taste like typical Cavendish bananas?

harveyc · 03-23-2012, 09:53 PM

John's (bepah's) plants all died. I had hoped to get one from him but I guess they weren't that hardy.

GreenFin · 03-23-2012, 10:50 PM

Between those plants all dying and Pitangadiego's account, it sounds like the EG is a pretty weak plant.

venturabananas · 03-24-2012, 01:07 AM

I'm not absolutely certain, but I think this is exactly the same cultivar as Grand Naine -- the name means the same thing, but one version is Spanish (Enano Gigante) and the other is French.

GreenFin · 03-24-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I'm not absolutely certain, but I think this is exactly the same cultivar as Grand Naine -- the name means the same thing, but one version is Spanish (Enano Gigante) and the other is French.

Whoa, you're right. Hadn't even thought about that. Just "giant dwarf" in two different languages.

If so, I'd expect that Pitangadiego's GN plants also grow slow for him.

venturabananas · 03-25-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenFin

Whoa, you're right. Hadn't even thought about that. Just "giant dwarf" in two different languages.

If so, I'd expect that Pitangadiego's GN plants also grow slow for him.

I don't know how they do for him, but I know the Cavendish types I have (Dwarf Cav, Williams, "Dwarf Ladyfinger") sure hate winter weather compared to many of the others types. The ones in pots regress during winter, whereas many other cultivars make progress.

Richard · 03-25-2012, 12:30 PM

I would expect smaller fruits in the subtropics as well. My African Rhino Horn in its first crop produced small fruits, compared to the medium size fruits that the mother plant (parent corm) produced in the near-tropics of Florida, and the 20-inch fruits produced in the tropics. We'll see what the second generation crop is like here in San Diego.

PR-Giants · 03-25-2012, 03:04 PM

That is very interesting, Richard. It can't be about amount of sunlight because my large fruits come from plants that are heavily shaded, receiving only 4-5 hours of direct sunlight. The amount of moisture in the soil doesn't seem to have an effect either, I grow some plants in soil that is very damp year round and others in soil with great drainage. Would be an interesting post if you ever find the cause.

Nicolas Naranja · 03-25-2012, 05:29 PM

My Gran Nains are extremely susceptible to cold injury. It's also tricky to produce large fruit. I've found that if I take a plant that is producing a 10 hand bunch and prune it back to 6 hands, I'll get 7-8" long fruit with a 35mm caliper. I think fruit size has a lot to do with sunlight and heat, I would also argue fertility playing an enormous role. My biggest fruit seems to come from bunches on the outside of a planting

sal · 12-21-2013, 01:02 PM

Here is a enano gigante. This pic was back in the summer and the teacher growing said it was a enano gigante. It was about 3 to 4 feet tall. I didn't get to taste it but he said it was sweet. It has about 3 to 4 pups and I was welcome get 1 but until the spring. So pretty soon I will get one.

PR-Giants · 12-21-2013, 08:30 PM

Nice Plant, but no Enano (AAA)

If you look at the peduncle & pedicels, it's either an AAB or ABB.

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Originally Posted by sal

Here is a enano gigante. This pic was back in the summer and the teacher growing said it was a enano gigante. It was about 3 to 4 feet tall. I didn't get to taste it but he said it was sweet. It has about 3 to 4 pups and I was welcome get 1 but until the spring. So pretty soon I will get one.

venturabananas · 12-21-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Nice Plant, but no Enano (AAA)
If you look at the peduncle & pedicels, it's either an AAB or ABB.

Good call Keith. Given what the plant looks like and what's most available where you are, I'd guess Dwarf Orinoco.

PR-Giants · 12-21-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

Given what the plant looks like and what's most available where you are, I'd guess Dwarf Orinoco.

It does look a lot like a Dwarf Orinoco, except for all the margins of the petiole canals being erect.

That was my reasoning for leaving an AAB as a possibility, all the DO's I've seen have been tighter or closed.

sal · 12-21-2013, 09:50 PM

The dwarf Orinoco was my guess too but it is shorter than mine. the teacher said it was enano gigante. The bananas looked thick skinned.

venturabananas · 12-21-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

It does look a lot like a Dwarf Orinoco, except for all the margins of the petiole canals being erect.

That was my reasoning for leaving an AAB as a possibility, all the DO's I've seen have been tighter or closed.

I agree with your reasoning, but I just can't think of an AAB that short that wouldn't have red edges of the petioles, or that would be available to someone in Texas. The number of fingers per hand seems about right for Dwarf Orinoco, though they are little narrow for DO. Maybe it is something exotic and exciting. Or just a funny looking DO.

sal · 12-21-2013, 10:18 PM

Interesting

sal · 12-21-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I agree with your reasoning, but I just can't think of an AAB that short that wouldn't have red edges of the petioles, or that would be available to someone in Texas.

Isn't The enano gigante is from Mexico?

We are in Christmas break at the moment. We return to work till January 7 and I will take some pics of the pups to identify this plant.

10-17-2008, 03:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
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03-23-2012, 10:50 PM	#26 (permalink)
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12-21-2013, 09:50 PM	#37 (permalink)
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