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120613 Datil in recovery a month after http://www.bananas.org/f2/mostly-ban...ter-19290.html



091113 The pup is almost as big as the mother.. Pup was given to Jose @ the Gulf Coast Banana Meet of 2013 a month after this picture was taken.



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060413 I fed it some Azomite and it had 2 small pups, one never amounted to much.



040813 Was a pretty weak corm as it got acclimated of course S. Ark spring didn't help much.. This one I received in a trade w/ Capitum..

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A Pic from yesterday.. :^)

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Not much movement w/ the heater on the fritz.. :^)

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Is this one of those Not Datil?

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I thought only Ice Creams were potential fakes. There are more? I'm pretty sure I have a Dwarf Cavendish because they seem to be the least desirable but maybe not? I'm *this close* to raising figs again. I never claimed to know what the heck varieties I had. Even if I bought a "known one", I never handed a twig or figlet off to anyone without the warning that "I purchased this from a reputable nursery however there's a tremendous amount of confusion surrounding these ladies. I've been told the fruit is quite nice (if I didn't have any for them to taste) but I cannot guarantee it's a Brown Turkey or Mission or a LSU or *fill in the blank*."

Sheesh! I just want to grow delicious bananas suitable for my zone....

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No, its not a Raja Puri.. Just a Datil.. has slight red marking.. This year I should get some good growth. :^)

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You have the plant to examine, so you're probably right but your AA Datil does resemble an AAB.

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I have no Idea other than its different than the rest of the one's I have.. :^)

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Then it's probably a Not Datil, the stem of the AA Datil should resemble your other AA bananas.

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The only Datil I know of is Datil peppers!

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The original came from the PR USDA Agricultural research station, so I took their word for it. It is always possible that they made a mistake, but I don't have the expertise to contradict them ;-)

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It's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like the real Datil to me, and not like the Rajapuri version that has made it's way into our community. This one is glossy green with spread, winged petioles from what I can tell, which is what this AA variety should look like.

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Damn, I'm going to have to break out the Banana Book.. lol I think I'll drink a Beer instead.. Where ever Capitum got it is good enough for me.. When Winter's over and I get my baby's out I might take the time to actually look @ them hard until then they can just stay green they doing good. :^)

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Kewl cause it looks just like the Datil Dan sent me.

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Really? Yours has wide open, winged petiole canals with no red along the edges, like in this photo? Dan's doesn't.

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I guess I could've taken a better picture.. :^)

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Kinda Kewl, but now I need to order a Rajapuri.

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The only thing I'm looking for is Stuff like this.. :^)



At least it looks like you get a lil more fruit than from a Veinte Cohol..

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If this bunch is the real Datil I know mine is not for sure. Just like I have said all along. I confirmed this with ars grin in Mayaguez, PR and they wouldn't send me any cause I'm not part of the scientific community. Thanks a lot Brian!

One day I hope some one offers me a corm. The fruit look interesting.

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If I get another pup its all yours Dan.. I know you hooked me up previously. :^)

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I feel like mine looks just like this, how ever it has never plumped fruit that well. I can confirm it is NOT a Raja Puri. I have Raja and side by side taste test will confirm they are not the same. As well my Raja has had chocking issues where this guy never has.

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It's just a Sucrier variety. Go buy some "baby bananas" at the grocery store and they will be exactly the same.

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Come on now.. Not growing them takes all the fun out of it.. :^)

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Does yours have some red on the trunk? This is what I was told to look for.

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I haven't looked.. Mine is still young, I guess we'll see how it develops, probably have 2' of stem before it gains some character.. Last year I was glad I didn't kill it.. So its all good.. Jose has the pup that is almost as big as my plant when I cut it. :^)

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To me, the most distinctive trait of the Sucrier subgroup is the chestnut brown at the petiole bases. I'm sure there are other subgroups with similar coloration, but nothing common in the US.

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This cultivar blooms at 9 months and you've probably been growing it for a couple of seasons.

It would be helpful if you posted a photo of the fruit or the mature plant, it should be around 12 foot tall.

Migael has been growing his for a full season and it's probably in the 7 to 10 foot range by now.

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Dan, which cultivars did you want?

Be sure to leave a lotta space in that corner lot.

The Datil is a 12 foot plant that takes 11 months to produces a small bunch, it's not in my TOP 100.

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So what's the fruit taste like?

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To me, the distinctive trait of the Veinte Cohol subgroup is the chestnut brown at the petiole bases. Photos of it are nice and growing it is better, but it was the cause of my AA addiction/collection.

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Research before planting helps make better decisions.

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Right, so some AA varieties have chestnut brown at the petiole bases. None of the AAB varieties do that I know of, and certainly not Dan's "Datil" = Rajapuri.

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Leave them be.As long as they aren't hurting anyone let them think what they want. ?)

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My entire collection is for the purpose of seeing which varieties can even survive my microclimate- At this point I doubt I'll ever get fruit or full grown plants. We rarely have days up in the 80's (even in the middle of the summer) and usually get several freezes per year. Take a look in my gallery for pics, you won't see anything more than about 2 feet tall... it is a painful addiction, but my hope is to sort out differences based on raised beds (we get a lot of rain, and the ground is wet and cold 6 months of the year), unheated greenhouse, and large pots to see whether I can get any variety to acclimate and survive (thrive?) other than basjoo (which freezes to the ground but comes back each year).

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Its lucky if its 3' now total height, but then again it was pretty weak by the time I got it and surprised its as big as it is now.. Things just grow slower up here. :^)

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Datil La Lima and Raja Puri are two totally different plants, when you compare the two plants side by side you can see the difference and there's the p-stem size (12' Datil La Lima) (6'-7' Raja Puri) to see Raja Puri banana flowers go here What's blooming in your garden? (bananas).

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Based on the fruiting pic's the Datil looks like its fruiting @ maybe 8' if its lucky.. :^)

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OK, 8'-12' Datil La Lima and 6'-7' Raja Puri

What other agronomic characters looks the same to you in these pictures?:drum:

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It would've been nice if we actually saw some leaves on that sight.. :^)

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Go to the ars grin website and pull up TARS 17413 and you find views of pstem leaves fruit etc. You can even order germplasm from them. Good luck getting the right one.

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Why they send out the wrong stuff often?

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Thanks

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Is this something we could do for home garden evaluation? Know of any body who has tried todo this and was successful in receiving germplasm?

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I have received germplasm, you have to make a research proposal. They have tightened up on who they will send to. It certainly helps that I work for UF and have done some academic publications. I am going to do a trial on "standard" bananas. I have 11 varieties for that purpose: Grand Naine, Williams, Baloy, Jamaican Lacatan, Baloy, Giant Cavendish, Paggi, FHIA-17, FHIA-2, FHIA-23, and Gros Michel

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Well that's pretty cool. Let me know if you need additional testing sites - for purely academic purposes ;)

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They send three plants, I only have two sites for sure. In order to have publishable results I need data from 3 sites over 3 crops cycles. Of course, the stated purpose is to evaluate these plants on muck soils.

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Years ago they sent to anyone. What Nick said is the way it is now. The Datil was only a curiosity put into my head by NANAMAN. So forget ars grin.

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Well I'll continue to grow mine to see what kinda character she has in my soil.. :^)

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Well my back yard certainly would not meet those site conditions. I have highly compacted clayey sand with frustraiting rock fragments (why is there a small bolder where I want to dig a hole?) thanks to more mordern land development practices. If you ever want to evaluate that, let me know. :). This soil is a pain in the rump for many reasons.

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My back yard was the former nearshore of Lake Okeechobee. I have found old coke bottles, anchors and a menagerie of shells. But I feel your pain, as I have an area with marl and I practically need a pick axe to dig a hole.