Bunch Question...........

Yuri Barros · 06-06-2015, 09:53 AM

I wanna report my experience with the last bunch I collected.............but some questions emerge from this...................

I collect this in June 2015............the ones that do not EXPLODE..........

It was a huge bunch...............and many fingers just EXPLODE............

At fist time I thought that...........of course.........the main cause was the PRESSURE...........

Some unripe fruits just explode.............

After remove few fingers to give more room to the growth.................even after this some fingers continue to explode.................

So what is THAT.............???

I started to study..................

Another issue is that I do not remove the HEART...............I just give the plant grow freely at this time..................

And after a little research I found that when the HEART.........is removed...........the fingers become longer..............

THAT IS IT.........!!!

The fingers of my bunch are stubby...............very thick..............and many of them just explode...............

BECAUSE I do not remove the HEART................???

I still have questions.............but this is the most plausible explanation that I found...............

If I remove the HEART..............the fingers do not explode just because they grow longer...............

REMOVE HEART = LONGER FINGERS

NO EXPLOSION........

HEART PRESENT = STUBBY FRUITS and possible EXPLOSION

What do you think about that..........???

Is there any other motif to the fruit explosion...........???

Richard · 06-06-2015, 10:09 AM

Please define "HEART"

Yuri Barros · 06-06-2015, 10:21 AM

Sorry...........kkkkkk............I don´t know how to write..........

Here in Brazil we call it "CORAÇÃO"..........that in english means HEART...........

This part of the Plant............looks like a heart.............

..........that´s how people call it here...............kkkkkkkkk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Lcmnci9Wg

crazy banana · 06-06-2015, 02:46 PM

I usually cut the inflorescence, because I have Asian neighbors who make some delicious soup with it. Some people believe that the fruits will get bigger, but I have not seen a dramatic difference here either way.
I think what you might have there is a Pisang Awak type like Namwah or so and it is my experience that the skin of those easily splits when they reach maturity and if they are not harvested quick enough.
It has nothing to do with cutting of the inflorescence.

from the sea · 06-06-2015, 02:50 PM

mine do that sometimes, weather I cut the male flower (heart) or not.

servatusprime · 06-06-2015, 06:40 PM

Some varieties are more prone than others. Never had them split green though. I would ask some people in your area if this is common for your area with that variety. I would try something else if this persists with future crops. It might be a fluke for this crop only.

Narnia · 06-06-2015, 08:37 PM

Would water intake be a contributing factor to the fruit exploding?

servatusprime · 06-06-2015, 09:22 PM

I guess if you got a toad strangler all of a sudden.

crazy banana · 06-06-2015, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narnia

Would water intake be a contributing factor to the fruit exploding?

Yes. It is some kind of Osmosis, because the banana peel is full of water. Not like a cherry though, but as the fruit ripens the peel gradually looses water via Osmosis to the inside fruit. The peels cells start to collapse due to the water loss and the peel becomes thinner and more pliable.

Narnia · 06-06-2015, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by servatusprime

I guess if you got a toad strangler all of a sudden.

What is a toad strangler?

Yuri Barros · 06-07-2015, 01:04 AM

HERE IS THE MAT............

The plant I collected the bunch is the smaller one...........with a tree branch to support the bunch weight.........(already removed in this picture)

Note that the next plant is HUGE..............almost double size in diameter......

I´m not sure about what I´m gonna do with the next bunch.........???

How I´m gonna manage it.............maybe removing the heart...........and removing exceeding fingers...........

I don´t know................

PR-Giants · 06-07-2015, 05:30 AM

I would not worry, Dwarf Cavs don't normally get super huge bunches.
... if this happens...then worry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

Note that the next plant is HUGE............

I´m not sure about what I´m gonna do with the next bunch.........???

I don´t know................

PR-Giants · 06-07-2015, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narnia

Would water intake be a contributing factor to the fruit exploding?

Depends on where the water intake is occurring, through the peel yes, though through the roots is much less of a factor. Periods of heavy rain can be confusing, is it the water on the ground or the water on the fruit that makes the fruit split. Do green fruit split when grown hydroponically, no. Do green fruit split when stored in water, yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy banana

...but as the fruit ripens the peel gradually looses water via Osmosis to the inside fruit.

If stored in water that would be correct to some degree, but that adversely effects the flavor and bananas are not stored that way, so actually it's false. The peel looses water to the outside not inside. Simply weigh a green fruit, it will be much lighter when it ripens.

Yuri Barros · 06-07-2015, 07:38 AM

Despite the heavy rain................I add extra water to the roots.................and many times I splashed water with a bucket in the bunch..............just to clean it from the dust...............

Is it an issue........???

servatusprime · 06-07-2015, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narnia

What is a toad strangler?

A colloquial phrase meaning a very heavy rain event. It rains so heavy that toads strangle (can't breath).

Yuri Barros · 06-07-2015, 01:57 PM

I´m searching for a Tutorial about how to prepare the bunch before bag it...........in the field.............

For exemple : What´s the ideal number of Fingers per Cluster...........???

Yuri Barros · 08-08-2015, 12:17 PM

So...........the bunch came................

Since I had the experience of some fingers spliting...............I decided to reduce the numbers of fingers this time...............

I removed basically the fingers of the outside borders of each bunch.............

Look how I did this..........

I don´t have experience if it works..............but I´m just trying to give more room to each finger grows..........to avoid spliting............

This is how the bunches look wihout the pruning...........

And this is after the pruning...........

In total the number of removed fingers are 44...........

So...........let´s see what happens...................

If the spliting numbers are less than the last harvest of this mat..........

PR-Giants · 08-09-2015, 07:37 AM

Those end fingers taste as good but just have a different shape.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

So...........the bunch came................

Since I had the experience of some fingers spliting...............I decided to reduce the numbers of fingers this time...............

I removed basically the fingers of the outside borders of each bunch.............

Look how I did this..........

I don´t have experience if it works..............but I´m just trying to give more room to each finger grows..........to avoid spliting............

This is how the bunches look wihout the pruning...........

And this is after the pruning...........

In total the number of removed fingers are 44...........

So...........let´s see what happens...................

If the spliting numbers are less than the last harvest of this mat..........

luisport · 08-09-2015, 08:06 AM

If i have bananas i will have to prune them? I don't get it...

Yuri Barros · 08-09-2015, 08:14 AM

I thought that these end fingers once they grow exactly between the clusters........if I remove them...........the rest will grow more freely..........

I loose many fingers in the last bunch...............due spliting..........

However I´m prone to accept that spliting is linked with the Banana variety...........not water............not pressure............etc............but is about the banana variety...........in this case Brazilian Dwarf Cavendish...........

Now...............I want to try something different this time.............giving to the cluster more room to grow...............removing the end fingers...........

Let´s see what gonna happens..................I will update this thread with more photos................

I´m also have to decide if I will remove the inflorescence...............the HEART........kkkkk

Some people say that if I remove the inflorescence the finger become more elongated................

.........???...........I don´t know...........

So..........I have to decide...........

But now is too early to remove it.................

I think that I have to wait 2 more weeks.............

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Yuri Barros Location: São Paulo - Brazil Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 375 BananaBucks : 91,858 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 250 Times Was Thanked 337 Times in 164 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times	Re: Bunch Question........... I thought that these end fingers once they grow exactly between the clusters........if I remove them...........the rest will grow more freely.......... I loose many fingers in the last bunch...............due spliting.......... However I´m prone to accept that spliting is linked with the Banana variety...........not water............not pressure............etc............but is about the banana variety...........in this case Brazilian Dwarf Cavendish........... Now...............I want to try something different this time.............giving to the cluster more room to grow...............removing the end fingers........... Let´s see what gonna happens..................I will update this thread with more photos................ I´m also have to decide if I will remove the inflorescence...............the HEART........kkkkk Some people say that if I remove the inflorescence the finger become more elongated................ .........???...........I don´t know........... So..........I have to decide........... But now is too early to remove it................. I think that I have to wait 2 more weeks.............

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