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Old 10-12-2009, 06:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Howdy y'all! A frost hit my musa basjoo last night! It's crazy! It's 20F colder then it's supposed to be!! I hope we don't get another zone 5 winter again!!! AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-12-2009, 08:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd kill for some of that. It was almost 90 degrees here today with 80-90% humidity, and even more rain. God, will cool dry fall weather EVER get here????
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Be careful what you wish for!
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It is not the heat so much as it is the humidity--even early in the mornings when it is in the 70s, you can't do anything without getting soaking wet! I'm ready for this wet humid weather to get out of here!
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I spent yesterday hauling all my plants in. Takes 3 days to get them out but I got'm in in 1 day --well over 100, so I was beat. We had frost the last 3 nights but the REAL frost hit here last night (being close to the lake). At Mike's house (30 miles north) I saw it snowing Sat morning!!!! This is just too cold for this time!!!
I hear CO (Denver?) had plows out for snow!!!!
We have had a very cold & VERY humid summer. Weird.
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This coming winter scares me. We had a record low of 43F a few days ago.
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OH MY GOODNESS!

All of a sudden. BAM! Hello winter Colorado! It wasn't really enough to get the plows out to be honest, but it was REALLLY cold the past couple of nights; Sat night was about 15F and last night was around 13F until the morning and then it was just a hazy/barely above freezing day both sunday and today. Oh well, that's why I understand that my naner will just have to love the great indoors! We have similar tastes in climate, nana nain and I I hope everyone a safe first frost!

BTW Looking like 60's-70's for the rest of the week...Oh Colorado, you sneaky hormone imbalanced state you!
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They say sun spot activity is down which is supposed to be a huge contributor to global warming. They are predicting a cold winter for the north east.
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It's 28 degrees here this AM....had a killer frost last week with a low of 24! They say with the El-Nino going on...its going to be a warmer/wetter winter...so that means heavy wet lake effect snow!



El Niño Arrives; Expected to Persist through Winter 2009-10

July 9, 2009

NOAA scientists today announced the arrival of El Niño, a climate phenomenon with a significant influence on global weather, ocean conditions and marine fisheries. El Niño, the periodic warming of central and eastern tropical Pacific waters, occurs on average every two to five years and typically lasts about 12 months.

Sea Surface Temperatures the week of July 2009.

Sea surface temperatures along the equatorial Eastern Pacific, as of July 1, are at least one degree above average — a sign of El Niño. Animation.

High resolution (Credit: NOAA)

NOAA expects this El Niño to continue developing during the next several months, with further strengthening possible. The event is expected to last through winter 2009-10.

“Advanced climate science allows us to alert industries, governments and emergency managers about the weather conditions El Niño may bring so these can be factored into decision-making and ultimately protect life, property and the economy,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator.

El Niño's impacts depend on a variety of factors, such as intensity and extent of ocean warming, and the time of year. Contrary to popular belief, not all effects are negative. On the positive side, El Niño can help to suppress Atlantic hurricane activity. In the United States, it typically brings beneficial winter precipitation to the arid Southwest, less wintry weather across the North, and a reduced risk of Florida wildfires.

El Niño’s negative impacts have included damaging winter storms in California and increased storminess across the southern United States. Some past El Niños also have produced severe flooding and mudslides in Central and South America, and drought in Indonesia.

An El Niño event may significantly diminish ocean productivity off the west coast by limiting weather patterns that cause upwelling, or nutrient circulation in the ocean. These nutrients are the foundation of a vibrant marine food web and could negatively impact food sources for several types of birds, fish and marine mammals.

In its monthly El Niño diagnostics discussion today, scientists with the NOAA National Weather Service Climate Prediction Center noted weekly eastern equatorial Pacific sea surface temperatures were at least 1.0 degree C above average at the end of June. The most recent El Niño occurred in 2006.

El Niño includes weaker trade winds, increased rainfall over the central tropical Pacific, and decreased rainfall in Indonesia. These vast rainfall patterns in the tropics are responsible for many of El Niño’s global effects on weather patterns.

NOAA will continue to monitor the rapidly evolving situation in the tropical Pacific, and will provide more detailed information on possible Atlantic hurricane impacts in its updated Seasonal Hurricane Outlook scheduled for release on August 6, 2009.

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I just hope this year we have snow when it gets to be -25. Last year it got that cold for 2-3 nights in a row but we didn't have any snow to insulate the ground. Bad news for plants, but good news for perennial sales!...lol...
So far here we had some widespread heavy frost last week, but it didn't get my tomatoes and peppers and eggplants. We have just a little bit of a hill here so the frost settles to both sides where it's lower. So I'm out for one more final picking today. I know I have about a bushel of habaneros to pick for market. Hope everyone wants hot peppers!
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It's 28 degrees here this AM....had a killer frost last week with a low of 24! They say with the El-Nino going on...its going to be a warmer/wetter winter...so that means heavy wet lake effect snow!
I hope bananadude's prediction is the correct one. Our northeastern summer has been sucky, wet and cool. We deserve a mild, dry winter to balance it all out.

To be honest, I don't trust long-term forecasts anymore. Last year they claimed the summer of 2009 was going to be a hot drought for the northeast. That proved to be silly of them.
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We had 2 1/4 inches of snow yesterday, everthing was very pretty but toooooo early for this stuff. It's supposed to get to 62 on Sunday, looking forward to that,with this ElNino they say things could be cooler in October and November and then warmer December and January, I hope so because if it stays like this I will be spending a lot of time at work this winter season!!!
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Actually no sun spot activity means the earth is going through a cooling off period.

Cosmic rays due to sun spot activity cause more upper atmospheric clouds to form that causes the heat to be bounced back to the earth causing the earth to warm up. Global warming is just a political coined term, scientists are still really divided on what actually is going on and still are not sure. Whoever is getting paid the most to tell their theory is the one being heard the loudest.

We are defiantly going through a climate change but what it really means is still all speculation.

I think we are going to set some winter cold records this year and a lot of people are going to be surprised by it.

Here is a really good article from BBC that seems to be a little more honest about the whole Global Warming BS...

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | What happened to global warming?

"What happened to global warming?

By Paul Hudson
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This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

So what on Earth is going on?

Climate change sceptics, who passionately and consistently argue that man's influence on our climate is overstated, say they saw it coming.

They argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is. But what is the evidence for this?

During the last few decades of the 20th Century, our planet did warm quickly.

Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth's warmth comes from the Sun.

But research conducted two years ago, and published by the Royal Society, seemed to rule out solar influences.

The scientists' main approach was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature.

And the results were clear. "Warming in the last 20 to 40 years can't have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

But one solar scientist Piers Corbyn from Weatheraction, a company specialising in long range weather forecasting, disagrees.

He claims that solar charged particles impact us far more than is currently accepted, so much so he says that they are almost entirely responsible for what happens to global temperatures.

He is so excited by what he has discovered that he plans to tell the international scientific community at a conference in London at the end of the month.

If proved correct, this could revolutionise the whole subject.

Ocean cycles

What is really interesting at the moment is what is happening to our oceans. They are the Earth's great heat stores.
“ In the last few years [the Pacific Ocean] has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down ”

According to research conducted by Professor Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University last November, the oceans and global temperatures are correlated.

The oceans, he says, have a cycle in which they warm and cool cyclically. The most important one is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO).

For much of the 1980s and 1990s, it was in a positive cycle, that means warmer than average. And observations have revealed that global temperatures were warm too.

But in the last few years it has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down.

These cycles in the past have lasted for nearly 30 years.

So could global temperatures follow? The global cooling from 1945 to 1977 coincided with one of these cold Pacific cycles.

Professor Easterbrook says: "The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling."

So what does it all mean? Climate change sceptics argue that this is evidence that they have been right all along.

They say there are so many other natural causes for warming and cooling, that even if man is warming the planet, it is a small part compared with nature.

But those scientists who are equally passionate about man's influence on global warming argue that their science is solid.

The UK Met Office's Hadley Centre, responsible for future climate predictions, says it incorporates solar variation and ocean cycles into its climate models, and that they are nothing new.

In fact, the centre says they are just two of the whole host of known factors that influence global temperatures - all of which are accounted for by its models.

In addition, say Met Office scientists, temperatures have never increased in a straight line, and there will always be periods of slower warming, or even temporary cooling.

What is crucial, they say, is the long-term trend in global temperatures. And that, according to the Met office data, is clearly up.

To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years.

Professor Latif is based at the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University in Germany and is one of the world's top climate modellers.

But he makes it clear that he has not become a sceptic; he believes that this cooling will be temporary, before the overwhelming force of man-made global warming reasserts itself.

So what can we expect in the next few years?

Both sides have very different forecasts. The Met Office says that warming is set to resume quickly and strongly.

It predicts that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998).

Sceptics disagree. They insist it is unlikely that temperatures will reach the dizzy heights of 1998 until 2030 at the earliest. It is possible, they say, that because of ocean and solar cycles a period of global cooling is more likely.

One thing is for sure. It seems the debate about what is causing global warming is far from over. Indeed some would say it is hotting up.

Update - 1300, Tuesday 13 October 2009: Paul Hudson has written a blog entry about his article here:
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No frost here, but it's getting colder. We have also had a pleasure of a new, Arctic wave coming to the Central Europe. It moved from Arctic circle to Scandinavia and Russian planes, where it gained intensity and moved over to the Central Europe. Yuppi... almost all bananas are outside having a tough time. I wonder, how many of them will survive til Friday, 'cause I don't have the time to move them inside.
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I'd kill for some of that. It was almost 90 degrees here today with 80-90% humidity, and even more rain. God, will cool dry fall weather EVER get here????
You can take it!! lol! I would love a good 90 degrees right now! I'm usually used to the cold but since its like 20 degrees colder, I'm freezing my butt off!!!
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I'm flying to Boston Friday morning, spending the weekend and coming back Monday afternoon. I am not living in Florida for the weather - so looking forward to nice crisp cold weather, Yeaahhh!
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I'm freezing my pineapples off!!! (pine-ipples?)
Tomorrow will be 7 days strait of HIGHS in mid 40's. Not ready for this.
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Apparently we are finally going to get some cooling this weekend--Sat low in the 50s, Sun in the upper 40s. It will be welcome relief from the heat we have had.
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SLB, What kind of banana plant is that in your picture - with the red stems? And where is a good place around our area to get banana plants? I want a Siam Red - they're spectacular. Also I want one with the varigated spotting on the leaves.
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You can take it!! lol! I would love a good 90 degrees right now! I'm usually used to the cold but since its like 20 degrees colder, I'm freezing my butt off!!!
My first flower bud is forming (OCT 7), but the cold nights will be here soon. What can I do to protect the musa bajoo flower bud to enjoy? I am dismayed that my tree took until now (frost time) to bud.
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