Dwarf X vs. X like?

PaulOdin · 08-22-2006, 02:53 PM

I frequently read that Dwarf Brazilian has a somewhat different fruit than Brazilian, or similar comments about small versions of one banana or another. Are these really dwarf forms developed from an original, larger plant, or just bananas that are a lot like another banana? I suspect the answer is sometimes one and sometimes the other, but have little evidence.
Did dwarf Orinoco develop from Orinoco? Which large Cavendish threw the first Dwarf Cavendish?
How much like an Hawaiian Apple are my Dwarf Brazilians?

Paul

PaulOdin · 10-01-2006, 07:51 AM

Maybe if I say this another way... Has anyone ever seen a "family tree" showing the relationships among banana cultivars? Any links?

Paul

pitangadiego · 10-01-2006, 04:48 PM

In reply to you "another way", no, never. I see no realtionship between the fruit or plants of Brazilian and Dwarf Brazilian, Orinocco and Dwarf Orinocco, etc. The reds seem somewhat different: all the red bananas I have tasted, dawrf and tall (Tall Red, Dwarf Jamaican Red, Kru, etc), tasted like the other red bananas.

PaulOdin · 10-02-2006, 02:59 PM

Useful answer, but frustrating. Whenever I hear good things about Brazilians, I 'assume' they also apply to the Dwarf Brazilians I have 8(.
There is 'obviously' a Cavendish group, as far as the appearance of the plants is concerned, and I think it extends to the fruit.
I will happily accept your opinion that all/many edible reds are similar in taste, especially since I have very little experience w/ them.
Apparently all the edible eumusa are a separate group, probably separate species rather than cultivars?
Any other groups among the edibles? Traits in common? And, I was also 'assuming' that Orinoco, Dwarf Orinoco and California Gold were a tightly related group.
Well, that is enough for me to be wrong a couple times, so someone please straighten me out.

Paul

pitangadiego · 10-02-2006, 10:33 PM

Anything with the name Namwah in it seems to be pretty similar. I am eating Brazilian as I write, and it is definitely not the same as Dw Braz.

08-22-2006, 02:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
PaulOdin Muddy handed ditch digger Location: Leesburg, FL Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 137 BananaBucks : 77,069 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Dwarf X vs. X like? I frequently read that Dwarf Brazilian has a somewhat different fruit than Brazilian, or similar comments about small versions of one banana or another. Are these really dwarf forms developed from an original, larger plant, or just bananas that are a lot like another banana? I suspect the answer is sometimes one and sometimes the other, but have little evidence. Did dwarf Orinoco develop from Orinoco? Which large Cavendish threw the first Dwarf Cavendish? How much like an Hawaiian Apple are my Dwarf Brazilians? Paul

10-01-2006, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
PaulOdin Muddy handed ditch digger Location: Leesburg, FL Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 137 BananaBucks : 77,069 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Dwarf X vs. X like? Maybe if I say this another way... Has anyone ever seen a "family tree" showing the relationships among banana cultivars? Any links? Paul

10-01-2006, 04:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
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10-02-2006, 02:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
PaulOdin Muddy handed ditch digger Location: Leesburg, FL Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 137 BananaBucks : 77,069 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Dwarf X vs. X like? Useful answer, but frustrating. Whenever I hear good things about Brazilians, I 'assume' they also apply to the Dwarf Brazilians I have 8(. There is 'obviously' a Cavendish group, as far as the appearance of the plants is concerned, and I think it extends to the fruit. I will happily accept your opinion that all/many edible reds are similar in taste, especially since I have very little experience w/ them. Apparently all the edible eumusa are a separate group, probably separate species rather than cultivars? Any other groups among the edibles? Traits in common? And, I was also 'assuming' that Orinoco, Dwarf Orinoco and California Gold were a tightly related group. Well, that is enough for me to be wrong a couple times, so someone please straighten me out. Paul

10-02-2006, 10:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
pitangadiego Senior Member Location: San Diego, CA Find me on the map! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,489 BananaBucks : 189,918 Feedback: 9 / 100% Said "Thanks" 2 Times Was Thanked 2,732 Times in 930 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Dwarf X vs. X like? Anything with the name Namwah in it seems to be pretty similar. I am eating Brazilian as I write, and it is definitely not the same as Dw Braz. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com We Be Bananas http://webebananas.com

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