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Jananas Bananas
09-24-2009, 09:33 PM
RARE IRREGULAR variegated banana AE AE 2-3' collectors - eBay (item 300350982034 end time Sep-27-09 18:40:55 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300350982034&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI)

I think this is too cool!!! But do you think this is reverting back or will to solid green?

I have purchased from this seller before and his plants are excellent. Just thought some of you would like to see this. ~JaNan

Vickie H.
09-24-2009, 09:36 PM
I would be afraid it would go back green.

cherokee_greg
09-24-2009, 11:23 PM
wow that is real nice.:woohoonaner:

BB73
09-25-2009, 12:53 AM
what do you think: could the pups of this plant be "regualar" variegated ones?
if yes, it could be worth buying?

Christine1950
09-25-2009, 06:50 AM
Very unique.

sandy0225
09-25-2009, 06:53 AM
I'd like to see what the next leaf did before I bought it myself...

damaclese
09-25-2009, 07:53 AM
thats interesting looking all bet that white leaf will turn all brown and crispy even in a tempered climate it reminds my of one of my Musa Margareta it has thees single bold splashes of red a throwback to its Siam Ruby heritage i think its cool too but not what its spouse to look like i would worry about the Ae Ae becoming week and unstable over the long hall id pass on this one

Jananas Bananas
09-25-2009, 08:10 AM
Yeah, you can see where the first leaf has turned brown and crispy on that tip. But mine all get brown and crispy along the edges and they are in morning and dappled sun. The white is as it is - in Texas anyway. I just love the dramatic boldness of it, but that's just me. I have seen this type of coloration in the Siam Ruby with a half and half or so and I think it is so striking. But my Rubies or their sister Margaritas don't burn at all like my Ae's do. I do have a Zebrina that burns badly also, yet I have three others that don't. (I have to toughen them all up to live here with me) :( They just look crappy until the aclimated leaves come out.

damaclese
09-25-2009, 08:23 AM
Yeah, you can see where the first leaf has turned brown and crispy on that tip. But mine all get brown and crispy along the edges and they are in morning and dappled sun. The white is as it is - in Texas anyway. I just love the dramatic boldness of it, but that's just me. I have seen this type of coloration in the Siam Ruby with a half and half or so and I think it is so striking. But my Rubies or their sister Margaritas don't burn at all like my Ae's do. I do have a Zebrina that burns badly also, yet I have three others that don't. (I have to toughen them all up to live here with me) :( They just look crappy until the aclimated leaves come out.

Jananas i can relate that first simmer was hell for the poor baby's but they did adapt i don't get that much crispness unless i don't water often enough
However the Ae Ae always has some brown on it they are just vary susceptible what can you do? nothin and yes my SR a MM are good in sun they aways grow like troopers but as iv noted in a few other threads i think SR likes high heat mine don't even grow well until the temps go over 90 at 100 they put a leaf out ever 3 days they are truly heat sucking sun worshipers

PS my avatar is a Siam Ruby its 105deg Fahrenheit and look at it i think a picture is worth a 1000 words!

Jananas Bananas
09-25-2009, 08:33 AM
Paulo your avatar picture is one of the best I have ever seen of Siam Ruby! When I first saw it I immediately had to go to your photo gallery and enlarge it so I could see it better! The color is so vibrant. Mine are all maroon dark red, though they do have some splashes of neon green.

coast crab
09-25-2009, 08:34 AM
I have to agree with Sandy and Paulo. I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole unless I had tons of money to burn. That's just too much white for a healthy, strong plant. And what good is that much variegation if it always has burn spots? That much green concerns me too.

Just my 2 cents.

R

damaclese
09-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Paulo your avatar picture is one of the best I have ever seen of Siam Ruby! When I first saw it I immediately had to go to your photo gallery and enlarge it so I could see it better! The color is so vibrant. Mine are all maroon dark red, though they do have some splashes of neon green.

you can control how red or green your SR get by adjusting their light exposure its a trial an arror thing i was for ever moving this plant a few inches at a time to more and more shade until i found just the right spot to get the color value i wanted but the older a leaf gets the darker it will be this particular picture was right after a big growth spurt so most of those leafs are vary new its not this good looking now I'm hoping to be the first to get one to bloom just as a curious side note this plant is 3 ft tall 2.5 years old and it has never pupped I'm told that SM pup profusely but i have not had such luck

sorry for the thread recking People

Jananas Bananas
09-25-2009, 12:10 PM
I agree. I am a little afraid of this one for myself. But I bet Cheryl could do it!!!! Go Cheryl! Go Cheryl! :goteam: I still like looking at it though.

NANAMAN
09-25-2009, 10:06 PM
I've got one that is close to the same as that one. The first 4 leaves all had some splotches of white, but the last leaf to open is all green. The P-stem has some nice variegation though! Either way, I don't think I would pay more than $20.00 for a plant like this!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=23832&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23832)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=23833&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23833)

NANAMAN
09-26-2009, 10:59 PM
PS my avatar is a Siam Ruby its 105deg Fahrenheit and look at it i think a picture is worth a 1000 words!
3000 words?


http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4760&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4760)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4398&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4398)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=4086&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4086)

Jananas Bananas
09-26-2009, 11:07 PM
Stunning Nanaman, simply stunning!

NANAMAN
09-26-2009, 11:13 PM
[QUOTE=damaclese;99189]Jnothin and yes my SR a MM are good in sun they aways grow like troopers but as iv noted in a few other threads i think SR likes high heat mine don't even grow well until the temps go over 90 at 100 they put a leaf out ever 3 days they are truly heat sucking sun worshipers

Paulo I agree, the more sun and heat the plant got, the faster it grew and the brighter the leaves got!

harveyc
09-27-2009, 01:24 AM
Come on, Brian, I expect to see a Siam Ruby flower from you! Go Brian, Go! :ha:

By the way, Tog swore that variegation was all due to nutrition and that variegation would go away with good nutrition. I just don't see that, but he had some experiences along the lines of that. Weird.

planetrj
09-27-2009, 01:53 AM
thats interesting looking all bet that white leaf will turn all brown and crispy even in a tempered climate it reminds my of one of my Musa Margareta it has thees single bold splashes of red a throwback to its Siam Ruby heritage i think its cool too but not what its spouse to look like i would worry about the Ae Ae becoming week and unstable over the long hall id pass on this one

Agreed. Ae Ae follows the same registry guidelines that the ICRA/ISHS uses which means that there's a specific % of acceptable variegation and pattern for it to be called Ae Ae. It might be a pup, but when a lateral shoot creates a certain amount of flux in it's chimeras, then it becomes something else (just like MANY others are Sports of another cv.). The registry is set up just for this purpose. I would call this an 'Ae Ae Sport', and not just Ae Ae, for better or worse. There also needs to be a certain amount of chlorophyll to be present, or the foliage cannot photosynthesize, and these leaves will continue to fail, as someone had noted 'crispy'. This will likely result in quite an uneven looking, off-balance adult tree.

NANAMAN
09-27-2009, 07:26 AM
Come on, Brian, I expect to see a Siam Ruby flower from you! Go Brian, Go! :ha:

By the way, Tog swore that variegation was all due to nutrition and that variegation would go away with good nutrition. I just don't see that, but he had some experiences along the lines of that. Weird.

Those are old pictures Harvey, I don't even have a Siam Ruby anymore! I gave that plant to a friend almost two years ago, and it is still only about 4-4 1/2' tall. He has it in a semi shaded area and it is growing at a snails pace!

damaclese
09-27-2009, 08:02 AM
Come on, Brian, I expect to see a Siam Ruby flower from you! Go Brian, Go! :ha:

By the way, Tog swore that variegation was all due to nutrition and that variegation would go away with good nutrition. I just don't see that, but he had some experiences along the lines of that. Weird.

Harvyc iv noted with my Ae Ae the more nitrogen rich firt i give it the less over all white it has on its leaves I'm not saying your are wrong its just curies

momoese
09-27-2009, 09:46 AM
Jordon (jnstropic) has mentioned several times how he controls the amount of green using more or less potassium nitrate.

damaclese
09-27-2009, 10:13 AM
Jordon (jnstropic) has mentioned several times how he controls the amount of green using more or less potassium nitrate.

yes i read that too and thats how i desieded when my Ae was geting over 50%white to start adding to the firt program and it worked like a charm

harveyc
09-28-2009, 06:40 AM
Tog wrote that variegation would be completely absent with good nutrition. That is a big step from a little more or less white due to fertilization and even that has skeptics. I've watched my two Ae Ae plants pretty closely and sometimes I've fertilized them to see if they would get more green but I also have seen leaves get more green on their own. I haven't fertilized one Ae Ae for most of the year and it still has been getting more green lately. Jordon claims Ae Ae do best with alkaline soils and most others say they do better with acidic soils (I believe Brian's is doing about the best of any I've seen and he has acidic conditions). I think there are many things that we don't know the cause of but attribute certain things based on experiences carried out in conditions where controls are not adequate to really identify cause and effect.

That's it, I need to get at least an hour of sleep tonight....been preparing chestnut shipping labels for the past 18 hours or so....and thought I'd rest my mind some reading about bananas. :ha:

damaclese
09-28-2009, 06:52 AM
Tog wrote that variegation would be completely absent with good nutrition. That is a big step from a little more or less white due to fertilization and even that has skeptics. I've watched my two Ae Ae plants pretty closely and sometimes I've fertilized them to see if they would get more green but I also have seen leaves get more green on their own. I haven't fertilized one Ae Ae for most of the year and it still has been getting more green lately. Jordon claims Ae Ae do best with alkaline soils and most others say they do better with acidic soils (I believe Brian's is doing about the best of any I've seen and he has acidic conditions). I think there are many things that we don't know the cause of but attribute certain things based on experiences carried out in conditions where controls are not adequate to really identify cause and effect.

That's it, I need to get at least an hour of sleep tonight....been preparing chestnut shipping labels for the past 18 hours or so....and thought I'd rest my mind some reading about bananas. :ha:

good luck on this years crop hope its a big one for you

yes i hear you on the variegation nutrition subject its really hard to say i personally think they do better in Alkaline soils you don't get the rot and other noxious fungi but there still touchy at times and in a pot takes careful management I'm finding that out after a totally trouble free season now my plants decided to Bloom and its gotten all stressed out i think i over watered it I'm not going to worry about it iv got other things to think about with winter coming on