Tallest growing Cavendish subgroup variety?

Kostas · 03-15-2011, 10:50 AM

Hello!

I was wondering which is the tallest growing Cavendish subgroup variety and what are its dissimilarities with Grand Naine. If you have any pictures of the various tall(ish) Cavendish varieties,please post here as well!

Thank you very much in advance!

Kostas · 03-21-2011, 05:30 AM

Anybody knows?

If not,i guess we still can find out! Just post your pseudostem height at flowering size of your Cavendish subgroup cultivars and we will see which tends to be the tallest!

Thank you very much in advance!

Jack Daw · 03-21-2011, 06:22 AM

Musa 'Giant Cavendish'?
http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Giant_Cavendish

Kostas · 03-21-2011, 10:01 AM

Thanks Jack!

I have read about Giant Cavendish being the tallest Cavendish but because it was getting compared to only a few other Cavendish variants,i thought i would ask here in case anybody knows of a taller one. I have also seen a few Grand Naine grow quite big and would like to hear and see if possible as well, how big these and other Cavendish cultivars grow for members here!

Jack Daw · 03-21-2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostas

Thanks Jack!

I have read about Giant Cavendish being the tallest Cavendish but because it was getting compared to only a few other Cavendish variants,i thought i would ask here in case anybody knows of a taller one. I have also seen a few Grand Naine grow quite big and would like to hear and see if possible as well, how big these and other Cavendish cultivars grow for members here!

No, it was significantly taller than DC, but the fruit was very similar, so as to ease the harvesting and care, farmers decided to favor the DC.

Why are you interested in these varieties? They are everything but ideal for your climate.

kaczercat · 03-21-2011, 05:16 PM

you should check we be banana, click varieties , maybe you'll find something.

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sunfish · 03-21-2011, 08:58 PM

BANANA Fruit Facts

List Lacatan as the tallest in Cavendish subgroup

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palmtree · 03-21-2011, 09:03 PM

Isn't Blue Java a variety of cavendish? They get pretty huge!

Kostas · 03-22-2011, 05:20 AM

Thank you very much all of you for your replys!

Jack,
Giant Cavendish is in my list of varieties to get but i wanted to know of even taller Cavendish varieties. I am all for height!

I know these varieties arent ideal for my climate in Athens but they are worth trying just to see how they do when i have pups to overwinter inside as well. But,i dont plan on staying in Athens for much longer. I hope to be moving to Pyrgos permanently within the next few years and get me a lot of land to build my main house in and plant a forest as well! Land is very cheap there so getting it is no problem. Instead of getting a car,you get several acres of good,fertile land in a relatively wet and quite warm climate

There,i bet all bananas grow well and i know from experience with my Pyrgos Garden,all cycads and a very good variety of palm species and tropical trees grow excellently there

And,did i forgot to mention? Its warm almost yearround!!!!!!!!

Thank you very much Matt!

Thank you very much Tony! Thats great to know!

Alex,
''Blue Java''/''Ice Cream'' is in a different subgroup,being an ABB while the Cavendish varieties are a group of varieties belonging to the AAA subgroup. I do have an IC and hope it gets huge this year!

Does anyone knows a source for proper Giant Cavendish,Robusta and Philippine Lakatan? Do you have any pictures of these varieties?

Thank you very much in advance!

pitangadiego · 03-22-2011, 08:59 AM

I have (what are supposed to be) Dwarf Cav, Ha'a, Ha'a Ha'a, Mahoi, Valery, Williams, Zan Moreno, along with Gran Nain, Dwarf Brazilian, Dwarf Jamaican Red, Dwarf Red, and Raja Puri. All are about 5-7' tall, so there isn't a whole bunch of difference worth getting excited about.

Kostas · 03-22-2011, 10:06 AM

Thank you very much for your reply pitangadiego!

What about Lakatan? I see it listed on your site as available. Does it grow to be any taller than 10-12ft? 5-7ft are totally dwarf! Maybe conditions play a role on that as well as i have heard of Grand Naine reaching 10ft in tropical climates and appears to be correct seeing a few videos on youtube.

Thank you very much in advance!

sunfish · 03-22-2011, 10:30 AM

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pitangadiego · 03-22-2011, 01:15 PM

Lakatan and Tomoc, both from the Philippines, are about 8-9' pseudostem, maybe just a little shorter than Goldfinger which comes in around 10' for the most part.

Kostas · 03-22-2011, 06:17 PM

Thank you very much for your replys and your help!

Thanks for the link Tony,good information there as well!

Thank you very much for sharing your first hand experience pitangadiego! I appreciate it!

So Lakatan does is taller than the rest. From the info i read so far,it seems like the height list for Cavendish varieties goes like that,from shortest to tallest:

Super Dwarf Cavendish
Dwarf Cavendish
Grand Nain
Giant Cavendish
Williams
Valery
Robusta
Tomoc
Lakatan

Is the above list correct?

Surprisingly,at least for me,Giant Cavendish proves to be far from being the tallest although none is really tall growing.

Do you know if there is a Dwarf Williams in addition to regular Williams?

Thank you very much in advance!

saltydad · 03-22-2011, 06:22 PM

Don't forget to put SDC as the shortest.

Kostas · 03-22-2011, 06:29 PM

Done Howard,thanks!

I originally left that out and was tempted to leave DC out as well as they stand no chance competing as the tallest but i guess its good to have a complete list handy!

pitangadiego · 03-23-2011, 09:22 AM

Then there is Mauritius, Little Prince, etc. etc. Not sure where Enano Gigante fits (if it is a Cavendish type) but it is in the 6' neighborhood, as well.

sunfish · 03-23-2011, 09:25 AM

And double Mahoi around 4'

venturabananas · 03-23-2011, 12:57 PM

Kostas,

Your list isn't correct. It includes one that is not a Cavendish variety and another questionable one. There are lots of different names that most cultivars go by, which confuses the issue, but as far as generally used names for Cavendish cultivars go, approximate height goes like this:

Lacatan (= Pisang Masak Hijau, but isn't Lakatan): 12-14'
Giant Cavendish (includes Valery, Williams, Robusta, and others): 8-10'
Grande Naine (= Enano Gigante): 6-8'
Dwarf Cavendish (= Chinese): 5-6'
Double Mahoi: 4-6'
Super Dwarf Cavendish (= extra DC, dwarf Parfitt, and probably same as Mauritius and Truly Tiny): 3-4'

The true Lakatan is not a Cavendish cultivar. The one spelled with a "c" is. The one Jon has listed as Tomoc seems to be a true Lakatan, in that he says its fruit are indistinguishable from his Lakatan, which he has told me is different from his true Cavendish varieties. The name is suspiciously similar to "tumok", which is a Philippine name for Giant Cavendish, but if Jon's plants are different from Cavendish, then they were probably just misnamed by whoever he got them from.

So, the short answer is the Lacatan (not Lakatan) is the tallest Cavendish cultivar.

My question is why anyone would want to grow a tall Cavendish. They do poorly with wind and cold, they are susceptible to some of the nasty tropical banana diseases, and the fruit are what you could buy at the grocery store. There are plenty of tougher, more interesting varieties.

ArchAngeL01 · 03-24-2011, 02:07 AM

Truly tiny is a Cavendish type,but certainly not the tallest. The cutest!

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