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keybrdkid09 10-03-2013 10:15 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy17 (Post 230288)
Nice harvest! Congrats! How did they taste? I have a namwah Ice Cream that's got fruit maturing, but I haven't got a chance to try it yet, so I have to admit, I'm really curious :ha: Also, how did you like the Sh-3640?

As for the Blue Java, they were tasty. They had some time to ripen on the counter. To me, they tasted sweet, with a bit of berry-like flavor. I would eat them again. As it happens, I have another Blue Java on deck for later.

I have previously harvested an SH3640, and I remember liking them too. The SH3640 I sampled yesterday (before they went into the dehydrator) I don't believe were completely ripe yet. I may sample a bit more as time progresses. :)

Note*. The blue java bananas in the picture were actually a bit of a surprise. In my case, the plant lowered the bunch to the ground-which, based on a different previous harvest to me seemed like a signal that the bunch should be ripe. (For example, a prior SH3640 bunch started turning yellow shortly after reaching ground level. but this year's actually were yellowing on the plant, so I cut the bunch down.) However, there was no yellow on the Blue java to be found, and I cut one off-it was not pleasant tasting and a bit dry. I thought maybe the plant had developed some problem I wasn't aware of. I almost threw the whole bunch out. However, for some reason I decided to do what I normally do, and tied the bunch with some rope to hang on my ladder-and left it alone. After a few days of green, the yellow appeared. and that was that. :)

robguz24 10-03-2013 04:51 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keybrdkid09 (Post 230298)
As for the Blue Java, they were tasty. They had some time to ripen on the counter. Being a dessert banana, I wasn't really sure what I would get-having not tried dessert variety before . But to me, they tasted sweet, with a bit of berry-like flavor. I would eat them again. As it happens, I have another Blue Java on deck for later.

I have previously harvested an SH3640, and I remember liking them too. The SH3640 I sampled yesterday (before they went into the dehydrator) I don't believe were completely ripe yet. I may sample a bit more as time progresses. :)

Note*. The blue java bananas in the picture were actually a bit of a surprise. In my case, the plant lowered the bunch to the ground-which, based on a different previous harvest to me seemed like a signal that the bunch should be ripe. (For example, a prior SH3640 bunch started turning yellow shortly after reaching ground level. but this year's actually were yellowing on the plant, so I cut the bunch down.) However, there was no yellow on the Blue java to be found, and I cut one off-it was not pleasant tasting and a bit dry. I thought maybe the plant had developed some problem I wasn't aware of. I almost threw the whole bunch out. However, for some reason I decided to do what I normally do, and tied the bunch with some rope to hang on my ladder-and left it alone. After a few days of green, the yellow appeared. and that was that. :)

Were these the real thing Blue Java or were they really Namwah like most of them? I'm curious that you'd never had a dessert variety before. Even a store bought cavendish is a dessert variety. Anyway, congrats on both bunches!

keybrdkid09 10-03-2013 08:55 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
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Originally Posted by robguz24 (Post 230313)
I'm curious that you'd never had a dessert variety before. Even a store bought cavendish is a dessert variety.

let me revise that then. thanks for pointing that out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by robguz24 (Post 230313)
Were these the real thing Blue Java or were they really Namwah like most of them?

as for that answer, I'm not sure. that would probably be a question better directed at Don/Katie from goingbananas. That is where these plants came from. I read something on the namwah/blue java thing somewhere...

robguz24 10-04-2013 01:46 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Without pictures, the description that it lowered down would be consistent with the real ones which tend to lean a lot or fall over entirely, even before they have bunches. Whereas the namwahs I've harvested (all 2 anyway) didn't lean like that.

venturabananas 10-04-2013 10:01 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
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Originally Posted by robguz24 (Post 230351)
Whereas the namwahs I've harvested (all 2 anyway) didn't lean like that.

Might depend on the environmental conditions or cultivar. Typically Dwarf Namwah is a leaner, despite its thick "trunk"; the medium height "Misi Luki Namwah" is not a leaner; and the tall "Ice Cream Namwah" is a leaner in my yard.

ladyflyfsh 10-05-2013 03:00 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
I am not sure what these are. I got this plant as a pup from one of the members here but was told it was an ice cream. Regardless, they are very good, but anyone want to gander a guess on what they are?








venturabananas 10-05-2013 03:12 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
The widely spaced hands suggest Manzano, getting them as "Ice Cream" suggests "Namwah". Are the petioles of mature leaves open or mostly closed? How about the flavor, a touch of tartness or not?

ez 10-05-2013 04:50 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyflyfsh (Post 230448)
I am not sure what these are. I got this plant as a pup from one of the members here but was told it was an ice cream. Regardless, they are very good, but anyone want to gander a guess on what they are?


Manzano Dwarf Namwah

ladyflyfsh 10-05-2013 08:46 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Yes, a touch of tartness.






I'm thinking probably apple but just looking for confirmation.

venturabananas 10-05-2013 09:01 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Definitely not Namwah, and most likely Manzano.

Good photos for illustration EZ.

PR-Giants 10-06-2013 09:21 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Manzano and Namwah, both have open and closed petioles.

Check the mature leaf ratio (3rd & 4th), my Manzano are between 4.0 and 4.7 to 1

Manzano leaf in the background


Manzano leaf


Mature Manzano +/- 10'


Mature Manzano Petiole


Manzano Petiole - (upper) 3rd leaf from bud closed - (lower) 4th leaf from bud open




Quote:

Originally Posted by ez (Post 230455)
Manzano Dwarf Namwah



Namwah type - Open petioles - Flag leaf & 3rd leaf





Open petioles - Flag leaf & 3rd leaf


Same Photo




Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyflyfsh (Post 230471)
Yes, a touch of tartness.






I'm thinking probably apple but just looking for confirmation.


PR-Giants 10-06-2013 09:27 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robguz24 (Post 230351)
Without pictures, the description that it lowered down would be consistent with the real ones which tend to lean a lot or fall over entirely, even before they have bunches. Whereas the namwahs I've harvested (all 2 anyway) didn't lean like that.

My Namwa types lean.

Abnshrek 10-06-2013 09:43 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
I think any banana will lean to seek optimum light..

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants (Post 230493)
My Namwa types lean.


PR-Giants 10-06-2013 10:03 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
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Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 230494)
I think any banana will lean to seek optimum light..

Sometimes that's true, but there are many factors that control leaning.

Here's a banana that's naturally leaning away from optimum light, it's curvature is being influenced by the wind.

aug 22


sep 25 - - planted apr 16


oct 3 - fruit 17" - oct 7 fruit 18"


ez 10-06-2013 10:31 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants (Post 230491)
Manzano and Namwah, both have open and closed petioles.


I'm sure your findings are correct but with my plants Manzano and Dwarf Namwah there is very little difference. The Manzano mat consist of 10 plants (not counting sword suckers) starting at 4 feet and up all of them have the same style petioles (straight with erect margins). One plant has fruit and the third leaf down looks exactly the same as all the other leaves. The Namwah mat consist of five plants (not counting sword suckers) starting at 28 inches and up. The Namwah petioles (margins curved inward) were slightly different some have a small space between the margins and some do not, none of the margins were overlapping. One plant has a flag leaf and the third leaf down has no space between the margins. With my plants each variety generally has the same style and shape petiole.


Thanks for sharing I never thought there could be such a difference in petiole styles with the same plant.

PR-Giants 10-07-2013 05:34 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ez (Post 230574)
I'm sure your findings are correct but with my plants Manzano and Dwarf Namwah there is very little difference. The Manzano mat consist of 10 plants (not counting sword suckers) starting at 4 feet and up all of them have the same style petioles (straight with erect margins). One plant has fruit and the third leaf down looks exactly the same as all the other leaves. The Namwah mat consist of five plants (not counting sword suckers) starting at 28 inches and up. The Namwah petioles (margins curved inward) were slightly different some have a small space between the margins and some do not, none of the margins were overlapping. One plant has a flag leaf and the third leaf down has no space between the margins. With my plants each variety generally has the same style and shape petiole.


Thanks for sharing I never thought there could be such a difference in petiole styles with the same plant.

Any time you're dealing with a small sample size, you really shouldn't expect your extrapolations to be completely accurate.
I had over a thousand feral Manzanos to choose from, but already knew that petioles vary on the same plant and on plants in the same mat.

I lost interest in petioles long ago because of the inconsistency with plantains.

bananimal 10-07-2013 07:39 AM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
Petioles --- highways for grubby buggers.



Ae Ae got hit pretty bad

robguz24 10-08-2013 06:36 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
25lbs of Gros Michel. 4 months after flowering. I usually wait until bananas have some yellow, but I need to make sure these can be eaten before I travel next month. My last bunch I harvested at 3.5 months and they took almost 3 weeks to ripen.



Nicolas Naranja 10-09-2013 10:17 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
It beats all he ever saw!
:woohoonaner:

momoese 10-09-2013 11:35 PM

Re: What did you harvest today (bananas)
 
26 Lbs of immature Pisang Klotek. Plant was leaning over the driveway where I have to work so no way to properly support the bunch. I tied a rope from the house to the detached garage with a thick foam cover and stretched it tight to push against the PS but alas it was too low and the winds broke the top of the PS over the support. We'll see how they ripen.



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