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first off i know this is possible. i have seen video of people grafting and i have read about it.this technique is centuries old..i want to know who has personally tried to graft two banana varieties via corm? what 2 varieties did you use in your experiment? did you fail?? did it work?? will you try it again? do you have pictures of the outcome? please post pics

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I personally don't think it possible due to the structure of the plant.
However it is indeed an interesting dream whatever merits will be occured.
Mauro Gibo once posted about this subject on this colum.

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I have seen the videos, read up on the subject about a month ago..... For bananas at least, I still don't see the benefit of doing this, just mho.

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plus, since there is no true stem, and every part of the plant derives from the growing point of the corm, so eventually, if you graft a raja puri to a saba, you still only have a raja puri and a saba...both separate, just taking a smaller footprint in the dirt. It's not like citrus where you use a rootstock of one that is hardy to graft say a meyers lemon and the plant will become just the grafted plant after so long, unless graftstock is removed. The only way that I have seen or heard of to graft a nanner is corm splicing. You cant make a 'V' cut in the lower end of p-stem of a basjoo and graft in a Williams and hope to grow a Williams with edible fruit, you will in turn end up with one fugly basjoo and after a while no matter what goes on the outer petioles of the williams will perish and leave the basjoo on its own. OR, that spacific type of graft will only last long enough untill the basjoo kicks out a leaf and pushes the graft completely off the top.

I cannot logically think of even one half-way decent purpose to validate and perform this type of surgery to my babies.

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I"ve grafted a lot of different fruit trees and for the life of me I can't see any advantage grafting bananas if it is possible since bananas has no wooden parts, parts are all soft and there is no cambium to speak of.
You are all going in an uphill battle.
So I agree with Fernie, why mess with something that is not broke.

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Benny, Ronald was just asking about it and pretty much the three or four of us that responded so far said the same thing you just did.......

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never will work bananas are a plant made of almost all water not a tree and i dont see a point in doin this

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Hey guys, chill.... Take a look at this thread, fun to read;
http://www.bananas.org/f2/grafting-b...auro-6346.html

Let's say it can be done, it is probably something in the past when 'naner cultivars were being transported around as a food source. What are you gonna to do if the corm of your latest cultivar is rotting? I think by pre-science/TC era, someone would have thought of grafting it to save a potentially new and valuable food source. People then were very resourceful and did weird things. There in China, people made pliable mats out of ivory, yes, elephants' tusk and now the method is lost in time.

Remember, then, you don't order over the inter net and it is flown to you. Those times, it would have taken many days of walking (Marco Polo?), ship on the crazy high seas to get a replacement. So in the meantime, in all legality, I guess we will have to use the infamous line, innocent until proven guilty...

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yep.. has anyone actually watched any video before commenting?? of course im talking about splicing two corms together.from what i have seen in the videos the guys doing the grafting are simply putting the cut side of two corms together and binding the them together with rope or something hoping they fuse together. its not a complicated procedure,it looks very primative. i would think they are doing this to make one cold hardy more desirable plant. YouTube - Grafting Banana Trees



please do a search for other banana grafting videos using this player when the video is done.. look at the video icons at the bottom of this video after its done playing you may click those as well. there are several like this on youtube and other sites. i said in the first post people have been allegedly doing this for centuries..ive seen people taking a risk and destroy full grown ensettes to see if they could get more pups..i just wanted to know if someone has even tried this out of curiousity?? i read that antonio musa brassavolta allegedly did this in the 1500's he was a consulting physican of several kings. ex: henry vIII francis I charles V leo X and julious ceasar. he also allegedly performed the first tracheotomy..do you think he was just a mad scientist??? it looks simple enough will give it a try.i will use basjoo and whatever. maybe its how a certain south ga nursery gets their bananas to be so "cold hardy'.:ha: since i dont know everything about bananas i cant call this quackery.maybe a banana expert will give us a definate answer?

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You forgot to put a link to the video with your question

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Watched the video and am not impressed. All you see are two plants growing in the same pot and any new pups are probably from one of the corms. If they flower and fruit then we could tell if he produced a new cross.
Liked the music:bananas_b

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thanks mm4birds,
if the guy took something as hardy as basjoo and spliced it with the cold sensitive rhinohorn and it survived the winter with minimal damage you still would not believe?? if the guy showed you its elongated fruit you wouldnt believe their combined genetic material are one after the splice???? he allegedly did lady finger and basjoo also rajapuri and basjoo. can anyone tell me why this is sooo unbelievable? does he need a story about where he "found" the plants?

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Because it's one single guy making the claim, and people who have been doing banana growing for years have never seen it?

Evidence is a scientific study featuring many, many plants, not a guy on youtube. :D

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lets just assume the youtube farmer dude tripped and bumped his head on an old stump,now he thinks he can graft bananas.

ok..so antonio musa brassavola was just some crazy guy as well?? he was crazy for thinking about attemping a tracheotomy and a cesarean section in the 1500's and absolutely insane for thinking he could graft two banana corms and get a new specimen plant? need more expert commentary please.

thanks, spark

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I have a plout that I grafted different cultivars. I have on one branch, green gage plum, on another branch, Chinese apricot, and on another branch, Blynhym apricot. I have 5 different apricots growing and fruiting on different branches. Not only that I have 4 different European plums growing and fruiting on different branches. I also have different peaches and nectarines grafted to the same tree. BUT I still have to see a new fruit emerged as a result of grafting them. In each cultivars grafted, they all fruited the same as its parent species.
The video did not impress me at all because the guy is still leaving part of the roots for each plant. So that each plant can still be alive and growed independently whether they are attached to each other or not.

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We've gone thru this all before.

http://www.bananas.org/f2/grafting-b...auro-6346.html
http://www.bananas.org/f11/news-insi...ower-6758.html

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:pics:
So far nobody has posted proof in pictures of a hybrid "created" through the process of grafting. As a member of the science community I am open to experiments but need proof of success. :bananas_b

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how about we wait till chronix gets on and ask him the video is dedicated to him

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Hash, hash. and rehash. As already said, the video proves absolutely nothing, just that two banana plants are growing in the same pot. Pups that come off of the Musa basjoo side will still be M. basjoo. Pups that come off of the other side will be whatever that cultivar is. It's physiologically possible for the corms to fuse and grow together, and even possible for some cellular transfer to occur. However...no meiosis is taking place, so no DNA transfer is happenening. That's why there is no proof in these videos.

Where was everybody's comments when I was trying to denounce this in the other thread??? :waving:

Frank

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Frank, I have already posted the thread link in Permalink #19 which Gabe just did. They still seem excited and blood thirsty....:ha::ha::ha:
Maybe I should post the TT Test and let them all chill..:ha:
So far Bob got 16/20 and Harv got 17/20 and Scot says he's got 19/20 - neither of us believed that dwarf maker aka micropropagater(as he is known in BQ).:ha:

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i tried to read the other posts about banana grafting and basically fell alsleep. whatever you do please dont turn this thread into the other banana graft threads..i didnt know what i was reading at times.they got off subject so much it was rediculous.there were people talking about family history. the ones who couldnt add anything relative just attacked the personal politics of others .. so many long winded comments in the threads with people trying to quote greek,chinese,and japanese poetry and philosophy??? so what was the conclusion?? i think i remember one guy stating that he got variegated plants from this procedure..

why dont we all try this before we dismiss it then we can post our experiences,after all you cant trust a guy on youtube...or do we just wait for someone else to try it and call it fake? what the hell ever happened to the people willing to take risks and experiment ?? maybe someone should call bill nye or mythbusters??

i know the corms fused together on a cellular level we have established that..where is the solid proof that the genetic info will never get exchanged?? this is impossible? are the different banana cultivars so unique that it would make it impossible?? where are the plant biologist ???


i think everyone would agree we need a more comprehensive conclusion bottom line..... im in the process of calling and emailing as many univ plant biology professors as i can.maybe i will get a shout back.

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I read something, a long time ago, where someone had done something like this with some flower bulbs, probably tulips. I didn't pay too much attention, as I had no plans to try to replicate it, but here's what I remember. The idea was to try to get flowers that were half one color, and half another, or striped ones. They took 2 different colred bulbs, say a red, and a yellow, and cut each one in half, vertically. Then they placed the cut side of a yellow against the cut side of the red and tied them up.
Supposedly, this produced what they wanted but, I would think, the cut would have to be very precise, exactly through the center of the growing tip, or you'd get solid color flowers, one or the other. And it's my guess (and only a guess) that any bulblets formed ( like the pups from a banana corm) would be either red or yellow, depending on which side they formed.

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thanks john,

at least there are some people still curious..my thing is i need to have some closure on this.. to figure out what would happen for myself..the guy mauro said he got a variegated plant but nothing exciting..maybe im too curious but i will try my luck..im sure if everyone who visited this tried it instead of being so dismissive we would discover something new. everyone of us cant have the same exact outcome since we dont have the same plants,and the plants are under different environmental conditions. i will try it a few and dig up a corm an examine it. i would like to be the first to post the dug corm pics too. thats if no one else will beat me to it.

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Quite funny for me is that Mauro Gibo who principally raised the agenda
comments nothing during the series of this debate.

I still beleive it is very difficult and rather impossible to graft a banana stem
on another banana's stem. The stem is consisted of multiplied petioles and
each of these petioles should be grafted. So the principle of the grafting of
banana is basically and theoretically different from that of ordinary trees and
flowers.
And even in case that it were possible, what is the benefit to do so??

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Benny and Frank hit the nail on the head, the two only share food and water supply. I would be willing to bet big cash that there is absolutely no way that a cross-breed or even making of sensitive to hardy would ever happen for the simple fact that like frank said, there is no sharing or transfer of DNA, only structures.

Think of it this way, if you cut your hand off, and your wife cut her hand off. Then you both were fused/sewn together at the wrist, would your body chemistry change? i.e., Would you develop breasts or have pms? Would she start growing body hair and get a deeper voice? Most likely not. You would just be two people fused at the wrist and sharing a little blood...... BTW, this is not to be read as an argument...tog, I'm chilled...I'm just stating a point in a less scientific way that could be understood by all.

Shaggy

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Science: the concerted human effort to understand, or to understand better, the history of the natural world and how the natural world works, with observable physical evidence as the basis of that understanding.

i think that mr. mauro did it in the name of science. i guess anyone who makes an effort to understand the world around us is a scientist by definition. i would like to know the status or conclusion of his experiments..

thanks

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I'll be in touch very soon and report about my grafting bananas experiments. The long winter kept me and my pups inactive. But I'd like to let you all know that I didn't quit yet. I'm waiting for the weather to get a little more warmer. Best Regards and hello to all of you my good friends of the banana forum. Mauro Gibo.

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Regaurdless of what we say Ron, I'd still be interested in what your experiments show....we say nay, prove us wrong!

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I was about to post that, I swear it!
I'm very open minded, to the point of being gullible, but see no logic in this. I have seen crazier things though so I leave the doings to the great Mauro Gibo and the Mcblunder who summoned him.
Science is, after all, not developing a theory and proving it right but trying to prove it wrong over and over.
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Why don't you graft them in your brains, there seem to be a lot of space !

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"Rome was not built in a day", so please give me sometime. We are all influenced by others, be it either good or bad. You are already influenced by me Mauro Gibo, accept it or not. I live in a monsoon climate, you don't. The plants around here are not the same as in your country. I will consider my experiments a failure only when I quit. But I shall never quit. We belong to different cultures so it's obvious that our point of view is different. I just went to my orchard and took a look at my grafted banana pups and they look beautiful. I shall call them San Mauro Bananas, born out of my blessed grafting, right here in Kameyama City, Mie Prefecture, Japan.
If you doubt me, please come and take a look at them I will welcome you all.
Remember, I got a hot and humid climate to grow bananas during the summer, so my chances to be succesful is much greater than any of you.
Bye, till we meet again.

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Hey Mauro, I'm a nanner graft nay-sayer......But I always welcome to be proved wrong. The only thing is if you had the graft parents "dna tested" then had the pups tested as well, the pups should be from one or the other. I do believe that grafted nanners do well, but a graft is all it is, a graft. You still have 2 different plants each with thier own biology and chemistry. I also doubt heavily that you can make something like a Jamaican Red with a Basjoo graft and the Red would not (I feel) carry the hardiness of the basjoo when exposed to a prolong snap of 38*.

Like I said before though, these are my opinions so value them as that and only that. I am not a scientist, I am a fan and a hobbiest. So if you want to prove me wrong, please feel free to do so! I am open to higher education and will take it when I can get it.

Shaggy

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I would like to read about grafting bananas,can you give us a link.Thanks

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"Rome was not built in a day", so please give me sometime. We are all influenced by others, be it either good or bad. You are already influenced by me Mauro Gibo, accept it or not. I live in a monsoon climate, you don't. The plants around here are not the same as in your country. I will consider my experiments a failure only when I quit. But I shall never quit. We belong to different cultures so it's obvious that our point of view is different. I just went to my orchard and took a look at my grafted banana pups and they look beautiful. I shall call them San Mauro Bananas, born out of my blessed grafting, right here in Kameyama City, Mie Prefecture, Japan.
If you doubt me, please come and take a look at them I will welcome you all.
Remember, I got a hot and humid climate to grow bananas during the summer, so my chances to be succesful is much greater than any of you.
Bye, till we meet again.

Mr. Gibo: With all due respect if you could post pictures of your grafted banana pups alongside the parent plants and show us the new leaves differing from either parent you may make believers out of the sceptics here. Thanks :bananas_b

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Hi. Thank you for your interest in the subject. I will do so as soon as I take the pictures. Best Regards, Mauro.

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Ancient plant breeders grew edible bananas by grafting sterile mutants onto wild stems. This process was repeated for thousands of years to produce the emasculated, sterile -- and defenceless -- plantation banana that currently feeds millions of people globally.

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Grafting bananas - 22 March 2003 - New ScientistThe reason why bananas cannot be grafted, as suggested by Anthony Whyte (15 February,

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Hi Mauro! I still want to believe that something could happen. Despite the popular opinion that it won't work, I am hopeful that it fools all of us. Stranger things have happened in nature. Nothing is absolute and most science is still theoretical. So mark my name down in the believers column my friend.

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I called a friend who has a banana plantation in Brazil and he said they do a lot of grafting in the banana trees. What I would like to know ,is this true that they graft bananas in Brazil,and have keep it hdden from the rest of the world.

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I have asked two Brazilians who worked in banana plantations in Brazil and they said they do a lot of grafting. I also asked a Bolivian farmer and he said the same. I wrote to the government controlled Brazilian Botanical Research Center in Bahia State, Brazil and they said they know nothing about such practice. It's really hard to tell because the primitive Brazilians and Bolivians have many indigenous customs and practices that the government doesn't care to check. They are small and poor farmers, so the rich and powerfull people don't give them much credit. I don't see any reason for them to lie to me when I asked about their grafting practice. They also told me the procedures how to do it. All my life I've had banana plants growing around my yard so I never cared for them. To really know the truth I'll have to go to Brazil and see them do it with my own bare eyes. But I don't doubt them. I believe primitive people have a lot of knowlege about farming that we city people are not aware of. I've been living in Japan for 42 years. I've traveled to Brazil 33 times but as I was not interested in bananas I didn't check anything about it. Now that I'm crazy about bananas I really pity myself for losing the opportunity. I grafted my banana pups last September, so I'm still in the beginning of my experiments.
I know most people don't believe it's possible. But what have I to lose? I know our ancestors had a lot of wisdom and they didn't have any sophisticated labs to do tissue culture.
I'm sorry I can't give you any concrete proof at the present time.
Bye for now.

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Ronald
I think you misunderstood my post. That was Mauro statement about the banana grafters in Brazil, I was questioning it. I don't beleive bananas can be grafted . If they can cool.

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Ronald, I do! It's my native language. It's my English that is horrible!

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Here is a link about grafting banana trees in Bolivia: CARE - Virtual Field Trip - Bolivia - Journal Entries - Day 4
I would appreciate if you took a look at it. thanks, Mauro.

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Thank you, Mauro,
Here is what impressed me:
An Outdoor Classroom
We were hiking downhill this time, through dense vegetation deep in the jungle. As we walked through papaya and banana trees, we passed crude signs marked with names of plant varieties. This was Jorge's classroom, where he brought farmers in the community to show them examples of new techniques. "This is the web, you know, for the ground. Groundcover prevents erosion and loss of topsoil," he said, pointing. "Those are the grafted banana trees. It is a simple technique where soft stems are removed and replaced with mature ones with a simple grafting procedure. With this technique, trees are productive for 10, 15, sometimes even 20 years longer than without grafting."

See, I believed that it can be done, though it appears the the procedure was performed for a different reason that most of us were hoping for.